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Should The Falklands be handed over to Argentina?


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Should The Falklands be handed over to Argentina? - 23/2/2010 3:07:55 PM   
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The Falklands is once again at the forefront of debate due to oil exploration off the coast by a British Oil Company. My question is, should we give the territory over to Argentina like we did with Hong Kong to China?

It's a tricky one but personally I think they shouldn't be handed back as that would an insult to the soldiers that died during the war and the current inhabitants want to remain under British rule. I couldn't care less who originally staked a claim to them (although British claim far outdates Argentinas) and how much oil there may be in the surrounding area. Just interested to hear others thoughts....




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RE: Should The Falklands be handed back to Argentina? - 23/2/2010 3:30:51 PM   
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I'd be more concerned about the potential environmental consequences of oil being discovered there. I think everyone is currently prevented from commercially exploiting the natural resources of the area under the Antarctic Treaty. Finding significant amounts of oil would probably seriously increase the pressure to scrap it.

Aside from that, all the territorial claims are fairly silly. the UK probably wins out on account of the will of the local people, at the moment, but it would be difficult to offer much justification for holding on to them otherwise. Similarly, Argentina's relationship with them over the years has been based more on petty nationalism than any considerations of utility.

Perhaps they'll drill and find nothing and all we can go back to not caring. 

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RE: Should The Falklands be handed back to Argentina? - 23/2/2010 3:38:57 PM   
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It's all a bit of sabre-rattling by Argentina really, probably partly to distract from domestic problems. It's a trick that has been used by many Argentine governments, both before and after the Falklands War. The fact is, all they want is to protect oil interests which is exactly what the British government want as well.

Frankly, I'll be astonished if it ever came to war. The main reason that there was conflict last time was that the Argentines genuinely believed Britain wouldn't bother going to war over the invasion. The garrison on the islands is much larger than it was in the 80's, and while Argentina would be able to overrun them it would be a costly fight, all done without any support in the UN which solidly backs the UK sovereignty over the Islands. The most likely end will be Argentina is given a taste of the oil pie, so to speak, just to shut them up and allow the British prospectors to drill without harrassment.

As to the notion of 'handing them back', well the Islands were never 'theirs' in the first place. The Falklands have been inhabited by British citizens since before Argentina existed as a country. If the sovereignty of the Islands changes, it needs to be the express will of the Falklanders.

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RE: Should The Falklands be handed back to Argentina? - 23/2/2010 4:12:12 PM   
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As to the notion of 'handing them back', well the Islands were never 'theirs' in the first place. The Falklands have been inhabited by British citizens since before Argentina existed as a country. If the sovereignty of the Islands changes, it needs to be the express will of the Falklanders.


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RE: Should The Falklands be handed back to Argentina? - 23/2/2010 4:19:18 PM   
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I have to admit I quite like the islands as they confuse daily mail readers.

Incidentally did Thatcher have a 'you turn if you want to policy' when she drove?

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RE: Should The Falklands be handed back to Argentina? - 23/2/2010 4:29:31 PM   
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The most likely end will be Argentina is given a taste of the oil pie, so to speak, just to shut them up and allow the British prospectors to drill without harrassment.



Mmm...oil pie.

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RE: Should The Falklands be handed over to Argentina? - 23/2/2010 4:42:46 PM   
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It's a tricky one but personally I think they shouldn't be handed back as that would an insult to the soldiers that died during the war and the current inhabitants want to remain under British rule.



They're good enough reasons themselves IMO.
Anyway, let's hope the Argies get pissed over this, we could do with getting into a war we can actually win.


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RE: Should The Falklands be handed over to Argentina? - 23/2/2010 4:45:18 PM   
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I've never understood why Argentina should be relevant here (apart from sabre-rattling and threats - but that is what the UN is supposed to help protect sovereign states from ). If the islands weren't British - why should they be 'handed' to anyone? As opposed to a little bit of self-determination?



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RE: Should The Falklands be handed over to Argentina? - 23/2/2010 9:20:44 PM   
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Could we do a swap? Everyone in the UK can move to South America?

That would be nice.

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RE: Should The Falklands be handed over to Argentina? - 23/2/2010 9:33:09 PM   
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Could we do a swap? Everyone in the UK can move to South America?

That would be nice.


It wouldn't be any different. The average temperatures are roughly the same.

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RE: Should The Falklands be handed over to Argentina? - 23/2/2010 9:41:17 PM   
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Could we do a swap? Everyone in the UK can move to South America?

That would be nice.


It wouldn't be any different. The average temperatures are roughly the same.



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RE: Should The Falklands be handed over to Argentina? - 23/2/2010 9:44:23 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Rgirvan44

Could we do a swap? Everyone in the UK can move to South America?

That would be nice.


It wouldn't be any different. The average temperatures are roughly the same.


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I don't want you to leave.

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RE: Should The Falklands be handed over to Argentina? - 23/2/2010 9:47:41 PM   
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I remember a tv show back in the 80's or early 90's where they offered the residents of the Falkland's cash to fly the Argentine flag. Every one refused. They then made the same offer to folk living in an estate in Manchester or Liverpool or somewhere and the street was festooned with Argentine regalia and they had a party.


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RE: Should The Falklands be handed over to Argentina? - 24/2/2010 12:20:57 AM   
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Could we do a swap? Everyone in the UK can move to South America?

That would be nice.


It wouldn't be any different. The average temperatures are roughly the same.



Why you gotta destroy my deams?


They are just so destroyable.




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RE: Should The Falklands be handed over to Argentina? - 24/2/2010 7:50:00 AM   
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RE: Should The Falklands be handed over to Argentina? - 24/2/2010 9:39:08 AM   
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My question is, should we give the territory over to Argentina like we did with Hong Kong to China?


But there is a fundamental difference here in that we didn't hand HK back to China, rather our 99-year lease on the New Territories expired.

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It's a tricky one but personally I think they shouldn't be handed back as that would an insult to the soldiers that died during the war and the current inhabitants want to remain under British rule. I couldn't care less who originally staked a claim to them (although British claim far outdates Argentinas) and how much oil there may be in the surrounding area. Just interested to hear others thoughts....


While I agree 100% with your reasons for retaining soverignty, it has always stuck in my craw that the vast majority in Britain couldn't have given a flying fuck about the islands or islanders until some jingoistic fervour was whipped up.  Remember, it took the elevated recognition that the war brought to actually grant the inhabitants full British citizenship (which they didn't get until 1983) and for years before successive governments had been involved in negotiations to return them to Argentina.

If you judge soverignty based on the chronology of claims, then it could be argued that the French predate the British in that there was already a French colony established on the island (indeed, the first European colony to be established) when it was claimed shortly after for Britain.  The handing over of the French colony to the Spanish sparked the first "Falklands Crisis" back in the 1700s, and the current Argentinian claim is simply a post-independence continuation of the previous Spanish claim And there appears to be evidence of a previous settlement of indigenous tribes from Tierra del Fuego, so you could argue that Argentinians did reach there first! 

All that is saying is that there can be validity to each side's claims of soverignty, but the deciding factor is that the UN recognises our claim as the legitimate one, and that is in keeping with the will of the inhabitants.  And as long as that will remains, then it shouldn't be open to debate.  As elab says, a little self-determination goes a long way in international politics!

But you've got to wonder if a beleagured Gordon Brown isn't looking back at the impact of the last war on the 1983 election and considering calling the Admiralty...

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RE: Should The Falklands be handed over to Argentina? - 24/2/2010 9:44:54 AM   
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RE: Should The Falklands be handed over to Argentina? - 24/2/2010 9:53:48 AM   
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While I agree 100% with your reasons for retaining soverignty, it has always stuck in my craw that the vast majority in Britain couldn't have given a flying fuck about the islands or islanders until some jingoistic fervour was whipped up. 


Aye. There's that great line in The Secret Diary of Adrian Mole about Adrian's Dad being up in arms once he'd heard on the news the Argies had invaded the Falklands. It's only when he learns that the Falklands are not part of the Outer Hebrides that he goes back to bed a little bit narked and somewhat less bothered about the call to arms...

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RE: Should The Falklands be handed over to Argentina? - 24/2/2010 10:00:52 AM   
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All jokes aside the people on the islands are British citizens so should be afforded the same protection as anyone in London IMO.

Interesting 2 people have voted to give the islands to Argentina, but haven't had the bollocks to say why.

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RE: Should The Falklands be handed over to Argentina? - 24/2/2010 5:33:25 PM   
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Many Soldiers died in The Falklands War . Lets not go down that route again for the sake of Oil . We are'nt truly that Americanised are we ?

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RE: Should The Falklands be handed over to Argentina? - 24/2/2010 6:14:13 PM   
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Many Soldiers died in The Falklands War . Lets not go down that route again for the sake of Oil . We are'nt truly that Americanised are we ?


Erm, we're not the ones kicking up a fuss. It's them. If anyone is behaving twattish regarding oil here it's Argentina.

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RE: Should The Falklands be handed over to Argentina? - 24/2/2010 6:19:51 PM   
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Many Soldiers died in The Falklands War . Lets not go down that route again for the sake of Oil . We are'nt truly that Americanised are we ?


Erm, we're not the ones kicking up a fuss. It's them. If anyone is behaving twattish regarding oil here it's Argentina.


What i meant was lets talk not fight or be drawn into a fight .

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RE: Should The Falklands be handed over to Argentina? - 24/2/2010 9:22:58 PM   
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All jokes asidethe people on the islands are British citizens so shouldbe afforded the same protection as anyone in London IMO.

Interesting 2 people have voted to give the islands to Argentina, but haven't had the bollocks to say why.


I just fancied being contrary, to be honest.

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RE: Should The Falklands be handed over to Argentina? - 24/2/2010 10:48:32 PM   
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quote:

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All jokes aside the people on the islands are British citizens so should be afforded the same protection as anyone in London IMO.

Interesting 2 people have voted to give the islands to Argentina, but haven't had the bollocks to say why.


I just fancied being contrary, to be honest.


So an entirely nonsensical reason then. Good.

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RE: Should The Falklands be handed over to Argentina? - 24/2/2010 11:15:39 PM   
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RE: Should The Falklands be handed over to Argentina? - 25/2/2010 12:22:17 AM   
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How dare you not take an internet forum poll 100% seriously. You make me sick.

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RE: Should The Falklands be handed over to Argentina? - 25/2/2010 7:38:39 PM   
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RE: Should The Falklands be handed over to Argentina? - 25/2/2010 7:50:19 PM   
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it would actually be amazing if YFU was actually Gordon Brown and this so-called "forum poll" was actually a national referendum to decide whether or not the Falklands should be given to Argentina.

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RE: Should The Falklands be handed over to Argentina? - 26/2/2010 6:07:46 PM   
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The British government weren't exactly worried about their citizens when they evicted them from Diego Garcia so the Americans could build a military base.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Depopulation_of_Diego_Garcia
Maybe all Argentina need to do is make the British government an offer and then we'll see how much the government cares about the will of its people.

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RE: Should The Falklands be handed over to Argentina? - 28/2/2010 12:07:15 PM   
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Good article in The Times - seems reasonable to split oil revenues with the Argies. He also makes some interesting points about our relationship with the US

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