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RE: Lost - Series 6 - US Speed - 6/2/2010 1:12:05 PM

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I think Jack's cut on his neck is more of a reference to the beginning of Season 5 when he shaves his beard and cuts his neck then (I think he does) and that may be the link on that one!

Kate's hearing (and Miles' for that matter) I assume was more to do with the fact a bomb had just blown-up and deafened them. Same thing happened to Charlie after the hatch went kabloom. I don't think it was an underwater thing.

I am totally the other way. There is a definate ringing, but the effect is what a person has when they hear underwater... I'm sure it's linked to the underwater island in 2004X...

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RE: Lost - Series 6 - US Speed - 6/2/2010 1:57:56 PM

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Kate's hearing (and Miles' for that matter) I assume was more to do with the fact a bomb had just blown-up and deafened them. Same thing happened to Charlie after the hatch went kabloom. I don't think it was an underwater thing.

And Hurley too. Nothing to do with being underwater!!

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RE: Lost - Series 6 - US Speed - 6/2/2010 2:35:30 PM

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Kate's hearing (and Miles' for that matter) I assume was more to do with the fact a bomb had just blown-up and deafened them. Same thing happened to Charlie after the hatch went kabloom. I don't think it was an underwater thing.

And Hurley too. Nothing to do with being underwater!!

Yea, I get that they're not actually underwater... and yea I know it affected them all, and so it should cos they're all feeling the same effect. The fact we went from an underwater shot of the island, to Kate's hearing being so specifically sounding like you she was hearing underwater, I don't think that can be coincidence. Even the way Kate acted, fingers into her ears then stretching her jaw to make here ears 'pop'... all things you do with water in the ears. Telling ya... it was supposed to be water!

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RE: Lost - Series 6 - US Speed - 6/2/2010 2:42:56 PM

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ORIGINAL: Scabby

Kate's hearing (and Miles' for that matter) I assume was more to do with the fact a bomb had just blown-up and deafened them. Same thing happened to Charlie after the hatch went kabloom. I don't think it was an underwater thing.

And Hurley too. Nothing to do with being underwater!!

Yea, I get that they're not actually underwater... and yea I know it affected them all, and so it should cos they're all feeling the same effect. The fact we went from an underwater shot of the island, to Kate's hearing being so specifically sounding like you she was hearing underwater, I don't think that can be coincidence. Even the way Kate acted, fingers into her ears then stretching her jaw to make here ears 'pop'... all things you do with water in the ears. Telling ya... it was supposed to be water!

....or a bomb going off

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RE: Lost - Series 6 - US Speed - 6/2/2010 2:43:39 PM

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I think you're reading too much into it. Was it Jin that said those were the effects of jumping through time?

About Jin, isnt Sun going to be a bit surprised he's now fluent in English when they meet?

I cant wait for that reunion, they've been apart 3 years now with her thinking he's dead.

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RE: Lost - Series 6 - US Speed - 6/2/2010 2:46:44 PM

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I reckon it wont be long til they bring the two groups together. Hopefully next week!

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RE: Lost - Series 6 - US Speed - 6/2/2010 3:30:54 PM

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Should we call the monster "Smocke"?

The Series (Season 6) Finale is confirmed for SUNDAY May 23rd to avoid clashing with the American Idol finale on the 25th and 26th.

The two new characters are Dogan (Hiroyuki Sanada) and Lennon (John Hawkes).
Technically speaking Maggie Grace/Shannon was unavailable as she was filming a movie.
Sun is referred to as Mrs Paik and her and Jin aren't wearing wedding rings. Maybe in the alternate timeline, Sun and Jin aren't actually together? He is just accompanying his boss's daughter.

Predictions:
The 'home' the Monster wants to go back to is the parallel universe (similar to Fringe).
I was watching the latest episode of Supernatural and I was thinking that Locke's knife is special and is the only thing that can kill Jacob and the Man in Black.
The volcano will finally erupt.

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RE: Lost - Series 6 - US Speed - 6/2/2010 3:31:35 PM

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Nexdt week;'s better keep the pace going. The pacing of the opener, particularly the second half was electric

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RE: Lost - Series 6 - US Speed - 6/2/2010 4:22:02 PM

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Couple of thoughts first relating to the bomb. It only really clicked to me that when the island was underwater that that was the plan all along. The bomb would blow the island to smithereens in the past and therefore not be there for des to press buttons etc thus not crashing 815. I had thought that the whole reset thing was something like being at ground zero when a nuke detonated would blast them into their own lives or something. I guess I didn't get it. However what this means is that parallel 815 is kind of an It's A Wonderful Life kind of thing. what would the Losties lives be like if the Island didn't exist. Now since quite a lot of their lives overlapped with Island life before they ever heard of it this is quite significant. For Example Paik industries had ties with the Hanso foundation. This explains the differences on the plane. However I still think Des was just doing his Billy Pilgrim thing.

Ok the second point relates to what the letter in the guitar case said, Something like "If your friend dies we're / you're all in big trouble". Now this has two meanings. 1 if this guy dies I'm going to be pissed at you. Or 2 If this guy dies it will trigger a sequence of events that will mean the shit's really going to hit the fan.

Now it seems to me that Sayid did die and he was resurrected. so if you take the note literally then this is bad. Maybe Sayid being resurrected at the pool means he's going to be a bad ass mofo. And a la Ben Junior isn't necessary going to come back all that stable.

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RE: Lost - Series 6 - US Speed - 6/2/2010 4:44:57 PM

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About Jin, isnt Sun going to be a bit surprised he's now fluent in English when they meet? I cant wait for that reunion, they've been apart 3 years now with her thinking he's dead.

I was thinking about Jin and Sun the other night when I was mulling the whole thing over. Now that they're back in the same 'time' I wonder when it is we'll see that reunion? It's a shame that not more has been done to gear us up towards that in the same way that we were all rooting for Penny and Desmond's reunion, for example. The old episode where Sun gave birth and we see Jin going to a different hospital is a really memorable episode for me - I think it's the one I've cried most at more than any other episode in the show.

Although I guess, in one sense, showing us this flashsideways (that doesn't really roll off the tongue now, does it?!) with Jin telling Sun to button up her top and being back to the original controlling character he was, almost subconsciously sets up us up for a very emotional reunion since we know just how far things have come between them since we last saw him act like that. If the suggested theory that the 'alternative' timeline is actually the end we're seeing, then it's a mighty sad thought that their relationship would be back to square one. But then again, that would be the whole point I suppose. They'd just have to travel down a different path to become like they are now. Buuuuut.....whose to say it would ever reach that point again? So many questions! And obviously they could be applied to every character who has developed and changed because of the island.

DAMMIT. I want to watch the whole shebang all over again.

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RE: Lost - Series 6 - US Speed - 6/2/2010 8:22:59 PM

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Although I guess, in one sense, showing us this flashsideways (that doesn't really roll off the tongue now, does it?!) with Jin telling Sun to button up her top and being back to the original controlling character he was, almost subconsciously sets up us up for a very emotional reunion since we know just how far things have come between them since we last saw him act like that.�� If the suggested theory that the 'alternative' timeline is actually the end we're seeing, then it's a mighty sad thought that their relationship would be back to square one.�� But then again, that would be the whole point I suppose.�� They'd just have to travel down a different path to become like they are now.

Hm, regarding the flash sideways being the end... then how come at LAX customs Jin couldn't speak English and Sun was hiding that she could? Perhaps I'm misunderstanding how events on the island would theoretically tie into this other timeline we're now seeing.

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RE: Lost - Series 6 - US Speed - 6/2/2010 9:45:12 PM

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quote:

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quote:

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Although I guess, in one sense, showing us this flashsideways (that doesn't really roll off the tongue now, does it?!) with Jin telling Sun to button up her top and being back to the original controlling character he was, almost subconsciously sets up us up for a very emotional reunion since we know just how far things have come between them since we last saw him act like that. If the suggested theory that the 'alternative' timeline is actually the end we're seeing, then it's a mighty sad thought that their relationship would be back to square one. But then again, that would be the whole point I suppose. They'd just have to travel down a different path to become like they are now.

Hm, regarding the flash sideways being the end... then how come at LAX customs Jin couldn't speak English and Sun was hiding that she could? Perhaps I'm misunderstanding how events on the island would theoretically tie into this other timeline we're now seeing.

I was just working on the proposed theory that with Juliet saying 'it worked', it meant that somehow the detonation of the bomb hasn't meant they start over again immediately, but just that it's started a chain of events that will see them eventually be off the island and end up pre-original flight before they all knew each other. So if that's the case then Jin would still not speak English, just in the same way that Locke still can't walk.

HOW that would all happen is beyond me. Hell, how much of Lost has happened has been beyond me. I can't think of a reasonable explanation but yet I could have said the same thing about Ben moving the island when I first saw it. Time travel and it's intricacies are too much for my poor wee brain to handle so I generally tend to leave the theorising on where Lost is going to the experts and I just enjoy it as it unfolds. It was just somebody else's theory that I was musing on.

In any case my post was meant to be more of a pondering over Jin and Sun and their reunion and/or fate. I like to focus more on the character aspects because that way people can't point out how dim I am!

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RE: Lost - Series 6 - US Speed - 6/2/2010 10:08:52 PM

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quote:

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Although I guess, in one sense, showing us this flashsideways (that doesn't really roll off the tongue now, does it?!) with Jin telling Sun to button up her top and being back to the original controlling character he was, almost subconsciously sets up us up for a very emotional reunion since we know just how far things have come between them since we last saw him act like that.�� If the suggested theory that the 'alternative' timeline is actually the end we're seeing, then it's a mighty sad thought that their relationship would be back to square one.�� But then again, that would be the whole point I suppose.�� They'd just have to travel down a different path to become like they are now.

Hm, regarding the flash sideways being the end... then how come at LAX customs Jin couldn't speak English and Sun was hiding that she could? Perhaps I'm misunderstanding how events on the island would theoretically tie into this other timeline we're now seeing.

I dont think Sun could speak English. She originally learned it so she could get away from Jin, if she's not married to Jin why would she need to learn English?

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RE: Lost - Series 6 - US Speed - 6/2/2010 10:28:02 PM

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I'm lovin all your theories. Was i the only one who was quite giddy at the whole Flashsideways yet sad at the same time as the characters never got to know each other.
Yeah Boone and Shannon among others died and a lot of bad stuff has happened on the island, but a lot of good stuff has too:
Jin and Sun getting close and having a baby
Charlie having a romance, playing dad to Aaron, mates with Hurley and getting off the drugs.
Locke walking again and having deep faith and feeling a purpose (he loved the island and appreciated it - a good thing)
Sawyer getting his revenge and finding love with Juliet and true happiness (will go into detail after)
Jack ..... hmm.... Jack still has issues but he got to bang Kate
Hurley is having a good time it seems, he's surrounded by friends and seems not as unlucky
Sayid finds romance with Shannon (albeit briefly) and helps protect people rather than torturing them (except odd occasion)
Rose's cancer goes.
Kate is a free woman and bouncing between two men. Naughty girl, make ya mind up.

You get the idea.
Whereas, off island (both during the Oceanic 6 stint and flashsideways)
Kate is extradited and escapes - is on the run
Clare is alone and preggers.
Charlie on drugs and tries to kill himself
Jin and Sun not getting along (might not even be married)
Sawyer seems his cheeky self but not as scheming. He seemed to be looking out for Hurley on the plane....
Locke in wheelchair but seems optimistic and we're led to believe he DID go on his walkabout.
Boone seems cheerful enough. and alive. lol
Desmond..... happy as larry.... do you think he's time travelling during that, thats why he disappeared? Remember Ms Hawking saying "the rules do not apply to you, Desmond". Desmond is special, and i reckon something was going on, time travel wise, on the plane.
Jack seems nervous, still got daddy issues.
Sayid looking forward to seeing his bird.
Rose and Bernard happy enough.

So its a mixture really. I think although bad stuff happened on the island, friendships, experience and love outweigh those of their off-island lives. i.e. we all go through bad spells, but we learn so much from them and have such good times too.
I think Kate said last season in response to Jack wanting to activate Jughead to 'reset' everything, that life on the island wasn't always bad, there were many good times. Whereas Jack just said people died, and he'd rather not have gone to the island at all. Jack doesn't appreciate the island, whereas i think Kate, Sawyer, Locke (did), etc do in the sense that the life back home holds nothing for them.

Going onto Sawyer, i was glad to see his cheeky, aggressive self back, but saddened too.
Sawyer, the name he adopted after his parents were killed, is an agressive man. Fueled by revenge, he seeks out Tom Sawyer (Daddy Locke) and kills him. He has an on/off relationship with Kate, who's very much like Sawyer in the sense they are both have done some wrong things and are a bit rough and ready. Sawyer is this way though purely because of his parents deaths and after he gets revenge on the real Sawyer, he seems to soften up more and more. Maybe this gets him to be the person he was to be.
Juliet always calls him James, thats his true identity, and they hit it off in those 3years, and he can finally be himself, James Ford, an honest, kind guy (still with a Sawyer edge) having a proper relationship - unlike the volatile relationship with him and Kate (although they do suit each other better).
When Juliet dies, and before when Juliet is assumed dead, it seems that 'James' has died with her, and 'Sawyer' is back, meaner and more badass than before.
Although i do hope he finds calm and happiness in his life, i do love Saywer as his badass, nickname calling, 'son of a bitch' self. Who knows, maybe he will go get coffee with Juliet in the flashsideways, as has been discussed here. That'd be very interesting to see if whats said here, happens there....

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RE: Lost - Series 6 - US Speed - 6/2/2010 10:32:33 PM

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Btw, loving your av and title Felix. You always change them to be Losty.

Like the Ben one from Season 5.

I just tiptoed into the UK speed thread, and someone said Sky's episodes have been cut to fit ads in and to keep to the running time. Apparently, the bit where Ben questions why Jacob didn't defend himself, was cut from Sky. *tut tut*

Its a good job our Aunties are so good to us, eh?

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RE: Lost - Series 6 - US Speed - 7/2/2010 12:25:46 AM

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Ahhh, Sawyer and Juliet...

I really don't love that couple. I find them so bland. Sawyer grew up because he had to in that 70s situation. Juliet was there. I'm annoyed that they did the painfully obvious and hooked them up for a couple of episodes. But they did. Then they buggered up their ending by bringing her back to die again so that she can pop up in a future episode.

I was worried about how they'd handle Sawyer/Kate in this final season. Yet in the premiere in both timelines/realities they just seemed to fit. The way Kate offered to help him, then in the temple (with the Skate music playing in the background) didn't seem wrong or forced. I loved their alt-reality interaction! Perfect! It all just makes Suliet seem... blah.

I've seen the promo for next week and it all just feels like its going to be forced stuff... because of fan reactions. We'll see!

Does anyone else love the fact that John Locke was played out so badly!? I love it! It's so perfect. Smokey planned it perfectly. It's funny that Jack has kind of become Locke. Getting people killed left right and centre on he's single minded plans. Now he's crying and lookin' pathetic. Both the man of science and faith left played out and cryin'.

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RE: Lost - Series 6 - US Speed - 7/2/2010 1:03:18 AM

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I've just finished watching. Oh My God, I don't know what to think. So many questions. Terrific start to the final season though

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RE: Lost - Series 6 - US Speed - 7/2/2010 8:54:10 AM

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Can't believe Sky are cutting the episodes for the UK market! Poor UK viewers!

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RE: Lost - Series 6 - US Speed - 7/2/2010 1:40:41 PM

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The Sky1 version was pretty shoddy. They cut out the part where Ben asks why Jacob didn't fight back, but also after advert breaks the show started half way through a sentence a couple of times. And during the end of part 1, they squashed the picture to put up a big banner saying "Coming Next - More Lost."

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RE: Lost - Series 6 - US Speed - 7/2/2010 4:03:03 PM

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Another random musing; a lot of people (including myself) are hypothesising about the two timelines and how they could possibly be interlinked based on the fact that Juliet said 'it worked'.

However, she didn't actually say anything. She wanted to, but she was broon breid before she got her words out and we're all taking Miles' word for it - that that's what she wanted to say. Now I know this is highly unlikely, and he'd have no motivation for it, but what if he made it up? Or misheard? Or couldn't actually figure out what she wanted to say and just said anything in the heat of the moment to an upset Sawyer?

Again, I realise that scenario seems exceptionally unlikely. I don't see how it would really make much sense for Miles to make it up either or how it would impact on the story in general. I just find it interesting we all accept it without question.

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RE: Lost - Series 6 - US Speed - 7/2/2010 4:14:40 PM

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The thought crossed my mind as well Sway but I dismissed it because I couldn't see any likely reason why Miles would lie. If he just wanted to say something to appease Sawyer then I would assume he would say something along the lines of 'I love you'. But you're right, there's always going to be a degree of doubt as Juliet never actually said anything.

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RE: Lost - Series 6 - US Speed - 7/2/2010 4:26:44 PM

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The thought crossed my mind as well Sway but I dismissed it because I couldn't see any likely reason why Miles would lie. If he just wanted to say something to appease Sawyer then I would assume he would say something along the lines of 'I love you'. But you're right, there's always going to be a degree of doubt as Juliet never actually said anything.

Yeah, precisely. There's no real reason for him to lie, so I don't really give much credit to the idea, but I just couldn't help but notice that it's just been accepted and I needed to voice it in the extremely small chance that it might be a false piece of info. I mean I know we've seen how he works in the past so we know we aren't ever given any proof, but at least with Hurley we actually see the people he's talking to.

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RE: Lost - Series 6 - US Speed - 7/2/2010 4:30:25 PM

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I think Juliet did say it. We have seen Miles powers working correctly in the past, he correctly identified the grave he walked over in the previous season.

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RE: Lost - Series 6 - US Speed - 7/2/2010 11:11:19 PM

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I'm really pissed off to come on here and be told that sky are editing the episodes and cutting scenes. That really annoys me. May have to find an American 'auntie' too. Thing I don't get is they must know the fan base is 'cult' and won't be happy. Hell they show fringe and it runs for 1 hr 10 mins so they don't have to edit it, yet they edit one of the most talked about and biggest shows on their list!!! Idiots!!

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RE: Lost - Series 6 - US Speed - 8/2/2010 10:26:34 AM

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A colleague of mine reckons Sayid is now Jacob, and Jack in the 'flash sideways' is the other guy (as Jack wanted to get off the island but Locke didn't, so he acquires Jack's body at some point in the future). I'm probably stating the obvious, but neither had crossed my mind as I was watching it.

Desmond being on the plane was probably the best thing about what I thought was a fairly average start to the series. Too many new characters, and the temple thing was a touch too far for me.

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RE: Lost - Series 6 - US Speed - 8/2/2010 11:25:05 AM

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Mmmm...I'm not sure. I don't buy the Sayid is now Jacob theory. I think he is just Sayid, but not dead.

Desmond was just a figure of Jacks imagination/linking the two realities right? I don't think anyone else could see him, I could be wrong though.

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RE: Lost - Series 6 - US Speed - 8/2/2010 11:43:28 AM

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Yeah, only Jack could see Desmond, or at least it seems that way... Rose had apparently fallen asleep, so it's unlikely Desmond was anything other than a figment of Jack's imagination, but you never know.

One thing about Sayid, is that Miles was clearly attempting to read him but was having some difficulty or confusion, suggesting Sayid wasn't dead (which we knew he wasn't) or someone else, which is why Miles was so baffled.

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RE: Lost - Series 6 - US Speed - 8/2/2010 12:47:17 PM

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RE: Lost - Series 6 - US Speed - 8/2/2010 12:58:18 PM

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I recently did a sum up of the going ons in the premiere here: http://www.hecklerspray.com/lost-season-6-premiere-a-deconstruction/201043579.php

I think I have hit a new low; in bed on Saturday night I was humming all the characters' theme songs to my girlfriend. She is 22.4% less attracted to me now. It's science.

Possibly more sad, that attribute would make a man at least 22.4% more attractive to me.

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RE: Lost - Series 6 - US Speed - 8/2/2010 1:04:32 PM

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ORIGINAL: Scabby

I recently did a sum up of the going ons in the premiere here: http://www.hecklerspray.com/lost-season-6-premiere-a-deconstruction/201043579.php

I think I have hit a new low; in bed on Saturday night I was humming all the characters' theme songs to my girlfriend. She is 22.4% less attracted to me now. It's science.

Funny Article Scabby.

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