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RE: Lost - Series 6 - US Speed - 3/2/2010 10:15:21 AM   
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Should I expect aunty BT to be sending over just the one episode or two as she tells me she can only find the one this morning?

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RE: Lost - Series 6 - US Speed - 3/2/2010 11:19:11 AM   
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I've got my Nando Crisps, dip and fizzy stuff for this monumental occassion. Lost openings always have stunning reveals (Although, the weakest was last seasons) so hopefully this one will knock the Season 2 opening off of the top spot!

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RE: Lost - Series 6 - US Speed - 3/2/2010 1:22:35 PM   
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Just finished the opening episodes. Im very impressed. Roll on next week.

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RE: Lost - Series 6 - US Speed - 3/2/2010 3:01:03 PM   
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SPOILERS BELOW!!!

After months of wondering “is detonating the bomb going to lead to a new timeline, or are the survivors going to cause the incident that lead them to crash on the island”, they decide to do both?! I’m still amazed that, after all these years, Lost is still able to completely surprise me.

While not as fantastic as the last few season openers, L.A.X didn’t disappoint. I loved all the little differences seen on the Oceanic plane, like Charlie almost dying, and the appearance of Desmond. Where did Desmond disappear too, anyway? Maybe he was experiencing another one of his flashes? It’ll be interesting to see how these two timelines manage to sync together over the course of the season. I can’t wait!

Also, does anybody else think Sayid may not be Sayid anymore?

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RE: Lost - Series 6 - US Speed - 3/2/2010 4:00:23 PM   
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Spoilers below..... if you haven't watched the season premier, bugger off and come back when you have!

Well, still trying to get my head around what's actually happened! 

So an alterante timeline is created, where Oceanic lands in LAX and the Island is underwater, which echoes into the other timeline where the Oceanic flight did crash and the Losties adventures as we know them have continued and the Losties in 1977 have jumped forward to the same time as Dead Lock and Smokey Locke?!  Jacob is dead but he knows a way back? Is that way back through Sayid?  Is it now a fight over the Island between Jacob Sayid and Smokey Locke?  

How the fuck did Juliet know the reset worked?  How was Desmond on the plane? Where did he dissapear to?  Was the new timeline Charlie aware of his other timeline?  He seemed to understand he was supposed to die, or was it just a nice bit of mirroring between the two and it's just the depressed rants of a guy in handcuffs? We still dont know who Illana's group is, or what the ties are to Jacob.  So many new questions!

Overall they were two great episodes, some great reveals and some really nice dramatic scenes. Loved every Locke scene, both Smokey Locke and Real Locke.  What 'home' is Smokey Locke talking about?  Off the Island?  At first I thought it would simply be the temple, but he was already there when he ripped off some French dudes arm, so the implication is he goes in there...or maybe not? What did Smokey Locke mean by 'It's good to see you out those chains Richard'?  Was he a slave to Jacob of some kind?  ARRRGH! Dammit, why isn't it next week already?! I need more Lost!

Now, anyone who's seen the Season 6 promo with new footage will notice there is footage beyond the opening two episodes, and it looks stunning!

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RE: Lost - Series 6 - US Speed - 3/2/2010 5:00:55 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: porntrooper

Spoilers below..... if you haven't watched the season premier, bugger off and come back when you have!

Well, still trying to get my head around what's actually happened! 

So an alterante timeline is created, where Oceanic lands in LAX and the Island is underwater, which echoes into the other timeline where the Oceanic flight did crash and the Losties adventures as we know them have continued and the Losties in 1977 have jumped forward to the same time as Dead Lock and Smokey Locke?!  Jacob is dead but he knows a way back? Is that way back through Sayid?  Is it now a fight over the Island between Jacob Sayid and Smokey Locke?  

How the fuck did Juliet know the reset worked?  How was Desmond on the plane? Where did he dissapear to?  Was the new timeline Charlie aware of his other timeline?  He seemed to understand he was supposed to die, or was it just a nice bit of mirroring between the two and it's just the depressed rants of a guy in handcuffs? We still dont know who Illana's group is, or what the ties are to Jacob.  So many new questions!

Overall they were two great episodes, some great reveals and some really nice dramatic scenes. Loved every Locke scene, both Smokey Locke and Real Locke.  What 'home' is Smokey Locke talking about?  Off the Island?  At first I thought it would simply be the temple, but he was already there when he ripped off some French dudes arm, so the implication is he goes in there...or maybe not? What did Smokey Locke mean by 'It's good to see you out those chains Richard'? Was he a slave to Jacob of some kind?  ARRRGH! Dammit, why isn't it next week already?! I need more Lost!

Now, anyone who's seen the Season 6 promo with new footage will notice there is footage beyond the opening two episodes, and it looks stunning!


I think we're supposed to assume that Richard came to the Island on The Black Rock, based on the Jacob/Man In Black scene from the end of last season. That would explain the reference to him being in chains. In the end of Season 1, when Jack and co travel to The Black Rock to get the dynamite, the ship is full of skeletons shackled together.

I'm really interested in the idea of Sayid now being Jacob. Could the show be moving towards a Sayid vs. Locke battle as Jacob and the Man in Back??

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RE: Lost - Series 6 - US Speed - 3/2/2010 5:27:45 PM   
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I was just wondering if the copy my aunty sent me is cut or not? its around 1hr 21ms and that includes both episodes? has she sent me a bodged copy?

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RE: Lost - Series 6 - US Speed - 3/2/2010 5:46:57 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Souljahsstory

I was just wondering if the copy my aunty sent me is cut or not? its around 1hr 21ms and that includes both episodes? has she sent me a bodged copy?

Yes, it's 81 minutes long.


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RE: Lost - Series 6 - US Speed - 3/2/2010 7:02:43 PM   
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Right lets get this out my system:

OMGLOCKETHEFUCKBBQ?!?!?! We find out what happened to Cindy!!!, Poor Juliet, The Kids!!, Jacob can still communicate after he's dead!, Smokey confirmed as Esau!!, Was that the black stone from Season 1 the dude with the gun picked up?!?! CHARLIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!, 2 realities??!?!?

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand breathe.............. phew, great opener, makes you want to watch the rest of the season but we were all going to do that anyway.

Plus am I the only one who when he heard Miles tell Sawyer that Juliet wanted to tell him the word I thought of.............

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2WNrx2jq184



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RE: Lost - Series 6 - US Speed - 3/2/2010 8:03:28 PM   
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Fantastic stuff but so so so many questions! Loved it and loved some of the reveals but my mind is exploding with all the questions everyone else has posted.

When Sayid came alive the first thing i thought is that he's Jacob. If he is then it's going to be a fantastic battle between him and Locke.

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RE: Lost - Series 6 - US Speed - 3/2/2010 8:30:45 PM   
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still downloading so will be watching tomorrow night and then checking back into this thread. havent read anything you guys have posted so far but will be looking forward to joining in tomorrow!

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RE: Lost - Series 6 - US Speed - 3/2/2010 8:42:26 PM   
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Gah, my head hurts!

I don't think I've seen an opening episode of Lost that has left me with as many questions as this! And the amusing thing is that this is meant to be the final season, and I recall reading somewhere that the writers had stated just about every single question you've ever had about Lost will be answered.   And yet they've just given us a hundred more in their opening episode!

Rather than write them all out again, I think porntrooper has written most of the big ones out for me already!  My head reels though...




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RE: Lost - Series 6 - US Speed - 3/2/2010 8:44:54 PM   
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a fantastic start to the final season....again more questions but if it follows on in this vein i can only expect we'll be happy come the end

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RE: Lost - Series 6 - US Speed - 3/2/2010 8:53:05 PM   
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So much going on it's kinda hard to know where to begin.. Really didn't see the 2 timelines thing happening,. Can't see how this is all going to be tied up, but it will be fun finding out.


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RE: Lost - Series 6 - US Speed - 3/2/2010 9:05:32 PM   
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My stream of thought;

Yeah great start to the season I thought. I knew they were gonna do something that wasn't the simple answer. Did the bomb reset everything? Did things stay they same? Fuck it, both happened. Gonna be really interesting to see how the two realities work side by side. And it's nice to see a kind of 'what if' scenario without it actually happening (assuming it's not really happening). The ending was fantastic - could almost have been the ending to the whole show. Real back to basics Lost. It's just great to be reminded of the first season with all the old characters and their fate and connections - something that inevitably got lost through all the seasons full of smoke monsters, time travel and egyptian shit.

Speaking of Egyptian stuff. I don't really like the temple story. I loved the whole Jacob and his Nemesis thing that they started at the end of the last season, and the fact that the Island's history goes further back than we ever imagined, but I'm never fond of a bunch of weedy extras in rags pretending to be some secret people. Loved it when Jack started fighting with them. Hope they get out of there soon though.

Sayid - WTF. I'm also not fond of when rules suddenly pop out of nowhere (like 'there are risks'). It's a lot more satisfying when they play on something (even if it's only a line) that's happened about half a season before. If that makes sense.

Sawyer back to being Sawyer - awesome.

Looking forward to seeing Richard's story developed more. He's been one of the most interesting characters of the whole show - I just hope they don't take too much of his mystery away like they have done with Ben. He's pretty much a bit part now. We know he's pretty low down on the food chain. It's just Richard, and then Jacob to be explored - it's kinda like a heirachy.

So overall I love the set up for the season (oh yeah, pretty handy they're suddenly back in 2007) with the two realities - like I read somewhere - a 'flash-sideways' and I really love how much emphasis they're putting on character so early on and the echoes of early Lost - really rewarding for the viewer.

Terrific.


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RE: Lost - Series 6 - US Speed - 3/2/2010 9:22:21 PM   
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**Spoilers, obviously**

That wasn't Sayid's voice at the end, was it? Or perhaps he just sounded a bit off because he kinda died for a good while there.

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RE: Lost - Series 6 - US Speed - 3/2/2010 9:26:14 PM   
ChickMagnet

 

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Jim

**Spoilers, obviously**

That wasn't Sayid's voice at the end, was it? Or perhaps he just sounded a bit off because he kinda died for a good while there.


Thats pretty much what the missus thought - we thought we heard him speak in an English accent

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RE: Lost - Series 6 - US Speed - 3/2/2010 9:33:14 PM   
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Thought it was great. Didn't dig the temple and the new characters. At first I thought they were a new group of Others as they seemed so different to the group we have gotten to know - especially when they introduce another major player in the hieracy. Also, I thought the plane was very awesome and interesting. There were subtle differences and big ones; Desmond being on board, Jacks hair not being a buzz cut, Shannon apparently not joining Boone and the arrangement has all changed of where people were sitting before. Anyone else notice these extremely geeky things?

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RE: Lost - Series 6 - US Speed - 3/2/2010 9:53:31 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Scabby

Thought it was great. Didn't dig the temple and the new characters. At first I thought they were a new group of Others as they seemed so different to the group we have gotten to know - especially when they introduce another major player in the hieracy. Also, I thought the plane was very awesome and interesting. There were subtle differences and big ones; Desmond being on board, Jacks hair not being a buzz cut, Shannon apparently not joining Boone and the arrangement has all changed of where people were sitting before. Anyone else notice these extremely geeky things?


How about Jack only being given one drink instead of 2?

I don't think Jack's hair was a proper difference. It's just so Foxy doesn't have a buzz cut in the island scenes. Same with Sawyer - his hair was shorter in the pilot.


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RE: Lost - Series 6 - US Speed - 3/2/2010 10:29:47 PM   
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I think the hair was a proper difference because of when he was in the toilet and was staring at himself. It's as if for a minute he couldn't believe he looked that way.

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RE: Lost - Series 6 - US Speed - 3/2/2010 10:29:49 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Scabby

Thought it was great. Didn't dig the temple and the new characters. At first I thought they were a new group of Others as they seemed so different to the group we have gotten to know - especially when they introduce another major player in the hieracy. Also, I thought the plane was very awesome and interesting. There were subtle differences and big ones; Desmond being on board, Jacks hair not being a buzz cut, Shannon apparently not joining Boone and the arrangement has all changed of where people were sitting before. Anyone else notice these extremely geeky things?


Lostpedia has a whole list of differences at: http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Differences_between_flashsideways_timeline_and_original_timeline

The ones I noticed were Rose reassuring Jack during the flight, Hurley now being lucky, and Sun and Jin no longer being married. I read a really interesting quote from Damon explaining the possible reasons behind these little differences....

quote:

What we’re trying to do there is basically say to you, “God bless the survivors of Oceanic 815, because they’re so self-centered, they thought the only effect [of detonating the bomb] was going to be that their plane never crashes.” But they don’t stop to think, “If we do this in 1977, what else is going to affected by this?”


EW.COM also has a great interview with Damon and Carlton discussing the first episode at: http://popwatch.ew.com/2010/02/02/lost-premiere-damon-carlton/

The bit I found most interesting was...

quote:

This is the critical mystery of the season, which is, “What is the relationship between these two shows?” And we don’t use the phrase “alternate reality,” because to call one of them an “alternate reality” is to infer that one of them isn’t real, or one of them is real and the other is the alternate to being real.


It's going to be really interesting to see how these two time lines end up affecting eachother.


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RE: Lost - Series 6 - US Speed - 3/2/2010 10:30:30 PM   
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ABC've done a Terry O'Quinn version of that epic Spanish Lost promo from a few months back

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQ1HnEG4-is

Original

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C56Lgl6DorM




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RE: Lost - Series 6 - US Speed - 3/2/2010 10:53:18 PM   
The Mighty


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quote:

ORIGINAL: Castor Troy

My stream of thought;

Yeah great start to the season I thought. I knew they were gonna do something that wasn't the simple answer. Did the bomb reset everything? Did things stay they same? Fuck it, both happened. Gonna be really interesting to see how the two realities work side by side. And it's nice to see a kind of 'what if' scenario without it actually happening (assuming it's not really happening). The ending was fantastic - could almost have been the ending to the whole show. Real back to basics Lost. It's just great to be reminded of the first season with all the old characters and their fate and connections - something that inevitably got lost through all the seasons full of smoke monsters, time travel and egyptian shit.

Speaking of Egyptian stuff. I don't really like the temple story. I loved the whole Jacob and his Nemesis thing that they started at the end of the last season, and the fact that the Island's history goes further back than we ever imagined, but I'm never fond of a bunch of weedy extras in rags pretending to be some secret people. Loved it when Jack started fighting with them. Hope they get out of there soon though.

Sayid - WTF. I'm also not fond of when rules suddenly pop out of nowhere (like 'there are risks'). It's a lot more satisfying when they play on something (even if it's only a line) that's happened about half a season before. If that makes sense.
Sawyer back to being Sawyer - awesome.

Looking forward to seeing Richard's story developed more. He's been one of the most interesting characters of the whole show - I just hope they don't take too much of his mystery away like they have done with Ben. He's pretty much a bit part now. We know he's pretty low down on the food chain. It's just Richard, and then Jacob to be explored - it's kinda like a heirachy.

So overall I love the set up for the season (oh yeah, pretty handy they're suddenly back in 2007) with the two realities - like I read somewhere - a 'flash-sideways' and I really love how much emphasis they're putting on character so early on and the echoes of early Lost - really rewarding for the viewer.

Terrific.



Isn't this a reference to when Kate brought young Ben to Richard at the Temple after he had been shot by Sayid? I could be wrong, but didn't Richard warn that Ben would come back "different", which I assume is the same thing as "there are risks"?

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RE: Lost - Series 6 - US Speed - 3/2/2010 11:14:03 PM   
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I think we're supposed to assume that Richard came to the Island on The Black Rock, based on the Jacob/Man In Black scene from the end of last season. That would explain the reference to him being in chains. In the end of Season 1, when Jack and co travel to The Black Rock to get the dynamite, the ship is full of skeletons shackled together.




That "chains" comment of Not-Locke's has been bugging me all day - the whole Black Rock thing never occurred to me. Good call, The Mighty.


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RE: Lost - Series 6 - US Speed - 3/2/2010 11:31:42 PM   
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SPOILERS BELOW DONT READ!!!!!




Brilliant opening....was all going along as I thought, until they showed the friggin island under water!!! Then it all changed for me. Was nice to have the man in black confirmed as "the monster" although..."lets not resort to name calling" as he says.
With Sayid waking up Im not sure what that means yet...still too much to think about...AWESOME AWESOME stuff.

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RE: Lost - Series 6 - US Speed - 3/2/2010 11:55:01 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Neth

quote:

ORIGINAL: The Mighty

I think we're supposed to assume that Richard came to the Island on The Black Rock, based on the Jacob/Man In Black scene from the end of last season. That would explain the reference to him being in chains. In the end of Season 1, when Jack and co travel to The Black Rock to get the dynamite, the ship is full of skeletons shackled together.




That "chains" comment of Not-Locke's has been bugging me all day - the whole Black Rock thing never occurred to me. Good call, The Mighty.



The first thing I saw when i saw the Temple people was the Black Rock. So it appears Richard is one of them. I thought Nestor Carbonell's acting at that point was astounding, the look of sheer terror in his eyes when he realised just who Locke really was.

An amazing start to season 6, lets hope they can keep this up for the last 14 episodes.

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RE: Lost - Series 6 - US Speed - 4/2/2010 12:38:05 AM   
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Could the leader of the Temple people be Magnus Hanso, the captain of the Black Rock?

< Message edited by Felix -- 4/2/2010 12:41:49 AM >


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RE: Lost - Series 6 - US Speed - 4/2/2010 1:43:46 AM   
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I watched this with some friends and one of 'em said that maybe the alternate reality is just... the end. Them actually getting away as a result of something that they'll do near/at the end of this season. They'll be on a plane, things will be slightly different and they'll mix and mingle in they ways we're going to be shown. So maybe Jack will give Locke the ability to walk again? Maybe Juliet's "it worked" message was true. Maybe she was reciting something that she says to Sawyer in the alternate timeline ("We should get coffee sometime"). That would make sense right? Even though they totally aren't right for each other.

Boooooooooooooooooooooooooooooone! ::swoon::

Not!Locke == Badass!


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RE: Lost - Series 6 - US Speed - 4/2/2010 8:49:04 AM   
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quote:

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I watched this with some friends and one of 'em said that maybe the alternate reality is just... the end. Them actually getting away as a result of something that they'll do near/at the end of this season. They'll be on a plane, things will be slightly different and they'll mix and mingle in they ways we're going to be shown. So maybe Jack will give Locke the ability to walk again? Maybe Juliet's "it worked" message was true. Maybe she was reciting something that she says to Sawyer in the alternate timeline ("We should get coffee sometime"). That would make sense right? Even though they totally aren't right for each other.

Boooooooooooooooooooooooooooooone! ::swoon::

Not!Locke == Badass!



I quite like that idea I have to admit - perhaps Juliet (somehow, although no idea how) knew that it worked in the sense it triggers off a chain of events that then bring about them getting off the island and starting over (although again, no idea how).   But if that's the case, and we're unwittingly watching the end side by side the normal action, then I like that. 

With regards to Juliet saying 'We should go for coffee sometime, we'll go Dutch', the first thing that did pop into my head was 'this is a line that's going to be echoed later on',  so I'm totally on the same wavelength as you here Beebs.  If that line isn't uttered by Juliet to Sawyer in the 'alternative timeline' or ending or whatever the hell it's proving to be, then I'll eat a jar of olives smothered in marmite.


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RE: Lost - Series 6 - US Speed - 4/2/2010 8:50:39 AM   
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did anyone else expect it to be Lapidus piloting the plane in the "other timeline/reality", like he was meant to do originally?

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