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RE: Apple's big announcement. - 27/3/2012 8:28:48 PM   
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Hmm, I've been offered an iPad1 from a friend for a very cheap price. Are they still worth it, and what's the resale value of it if I don't want it you think?

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RE: Apple's big announcement. - 27/3/2012 8:30:57 PM   
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Hmm, I've been offered an iPad1 from a friend for a very cheap price. Are they still worth it, and what's the resale value of it if I don't want it you think?


If "a very cheap price" is under 200$, then I'd go for it. Otherwise I'd just save a bit more and get an iPad 2, which has already been discounted to 400$.

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RE: Apple's big announcement. - 27/3/2012 8:45:25 PM   
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You've lost weight, YFU.

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RE: Apple's big announcement. - 28/3/2012 3:48:41 PM   
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RE: Apple's big announcement. - 2/4/2012 9:01:12 PM   
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I am curious as to what color iPad people believe to be the best.

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RE: Apple's big announcement. - 2/4/2012 9:12:53 PM   
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I went for the black one. I have the white iPhone 4.

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RE: Apple's big announcement. - 6/4/2012 8:54:02 AM   
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Both my iPhone and iPad are black. Never had a white product but I wouldn't imagine it makes that much difference does it?

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RE: Apple's big announcement. - 6/4/2012 3:35:34 PM   
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My sister happens to have the WHITE iPhone 4, and I must admit it's pretty attractive. The shade of white is a deeper more pearl like color than you can see in the official photos, and it looks pretty flash (pardon the pun!) on a device like that. My iPad 2? It's black. For me, it was an easy decision.

My thinking: with a white border, your eyes will be drawn to the border and you'll perceive the dimensions of the screen to a greater degree. You'll be looking at a screen with a white frame around it. Where as with a black border, your eyes will automatically go to the screen without distraction, as even the color black on screen will appear lighter than the black glass of the border. This has the effect of making the screen seem larger since you're not paying attention to the physical dimensions of the device.

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RE: Apple's big announcement. - 24/4/2012 3:27:22 AM   
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2012/apr/23/bad-apple-employ-more-us-workers

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For all the stylishness and sleekness of its products, the Apple business model is an unattractive and, over the long term, possibly an unsustainable one. It subcontracts work that offers the Chinese little prospect of economic development, while at the same time selling to Americans and others products they want but increasingly don't have the jobs or incomes to buy so readily.


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RE: Apple's big announcement. - 24/4/2012 10:44:08 AM   
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2012/apr/23/bad-apple-employ-more-us-workers

quote:

For all the stylishness and sleekness of its products, the Apple business model is an unattractive and, over the long term, possibly an unsustainable one. It subcontracts work that offers the Chinese little prospect of economic development, while at the same time selling to Americans and others products they want but increasingly don't have the jobs or incomes to buy so readily.



Interesting article.

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RE: Apple's big announcement. - 24/4/2012 12:36:04 PM   
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Can anyone tell me the point in Tablets? Yes you get to touch the screen (which is in some laptops now) and they are generally cheaper...but why not just pick up a laptop/netbook/notebook? Has everything and more.



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RE: Apple's big announcement. - 24/4/2012 12:54:45 PM   
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Can anyone tell me the point in Tablets? Yes you get to touch the screen (which is in some laptops now) and they are generally cheaper...but why not just pick up a laptop/netbook/notebook? Has everything and more.




Extra mobility
Increased Battery Life
Apps

Those are the three reasons for me. When going away for a couple of days we always take the Ipad as its smaller, lighter and can run for about 8 hours. We can take movies and games on it for the kids, plus use it for general browsing etc.

However it is very much a companion product and wouldn't ever replace my PC as my general work horse.

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RE: Apple's big announcement. - 24/4/2012 1:13:00 PM   
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Can anyone tell me the point in Tablets? Yes you get to touch the screen (which is in some laptops now) and they are generally cheaper...but why not just pick up a laptop/netbook/notebook? Has everything and more.



For me it is the general user experience that is the platforms key selling point. My favourite thing to do on my iPad is reading, and be it kindle books, Empire magazine or comics there really isn't anything quite like it on a laptop/netbook. Internet browsing is an absolute joy too.

As Shool says I don't think its really a case of either/or when it comes to tablet devices, its an accompaniment to the rest of my digital lifestyle. I still use my desktop and laptop as and when, and my smartphone too, but as an additional tool* I love sitting back and spending a few hours in my iPad.

*I do however, think that tablets will eventually become the go-to medium for the casual computer user.

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RE: Apple's big announcement. - 24/4/2012 1:29:51 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Spaldron

http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2012/apr/23/bad-apple-employ-more-us-workers

quote:

For all the stylishness and sleekness of its products, the Apple business model is an unattractive and, over the long term, possibly an unsustainable one. It subcontracts work that offers the Chinese little prospect of economic development, while at the same time selling to Americans and others products they want but increasingly don't have the jobs or incomes to buy so readily.



I can appreciate why you've pulled up that quote in particular, but doesn't the reality of the situation prove otherwise? I'd hazard a guess that there isn't a corporation on the planet that wouldn't switch places with Apple right now. I'd also hazard a guess that Apple have considered moving back to the US in greater detail than any industry analyst or researcher, and that for whatever reason it's not economically viable enough to just justify and ultimately, and lawfully, they owe it to their shareholders to do what is most financially attractive. This is how business works, and if you think that the device that you are reading this comment on was produced with any different intention then chances are you're wrong.

What I really don't get is the manner in which Apple are singled out in situations like this. All electronics companies work in this way. I'm not saying that that makes it okay, but this apparent air of supremacy harboured by non-Apple users is hilarious.

Products Foxconn make -

iPad
iPhone
The Samsung Galaxy range of phones and tablets
Wii
X-Box 360
Playstation 3

And companies they work for -

Acer
Amazon
Apple
Cisco
Dell
Hewlett Packard
Intel
Microsoft
Motorola
Nintendo
Nokia
Samsung
Sony
Toshiba

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RE: Apple's big announcement. - 24/4/2012 3:20:26 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: adambatman82


quote:

ORIGINAL: Spaldron

http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2012/apr/23/bad-apple-employ-more-us-workers

quote:

For all the stylishness and sleekness of its products, the Apple business model is an unattractive and, over the long term, possibly an unsustainable one. It subcontracts work that offers the Chinese little prospect of economic development, while at the same time selling to Americans and others products they want but increasingly don't have the jobs or incomes to buy so readily.



I can appreciate why you've pulled up that quote in particular, but doesn't the reality of the situation prove otherwise? I'd hazard a guess that there isn't a corporation on the planet that wouldn't switch places with Apple right now. I'd also hazard a guess that Apple have considered moving back to the US in greater detail than any industry analyst or researcher, and that for whatever reason it's not economically viable enough to just justify and ultimately, and lawfully, they owe it to their shareholders to do what is most financially attractive. This is how business works, and if you think that the device that you are reading this comment on was produced with any different intention then chances are you're wrong.

What I really don't get is the manner in which Apple are singled out in situations like this. All electronics companies work in this way. I'm not saying that that makes it okay, but this apparent air of supremacy harboured by non-Apple users is hilarious.

Products Foxconn make -

iPad
iPhone
The Samsung Galaxy range of phones and tablets
Wii
X-Box 360
Playstation 3

And companies they work for -

Acer
Amazon
Apple
Cisco
Dell
Hewlett Packard
Intel
Microsoft
Motorola
Nintendo
Nokia
Samsung
Sony
Toshiba


Amen. That's what I always say. Why is the focus on Apple? They don't even have the worst track record at Foxconn. XBOX 360 workers threatened group suicide.

It's just propaganda to smear Apple and tarnish their reputation, when the truth is no one is clean. At least Apple has industry leading standards of openness.

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RE: Apple's big announcement. - 24/4/2012 3:39:51 PM   
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ORIGINAL: shool

quote:

ORIGINAL: Spaldron

http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2012/apr/23/bad-apple-employ-more-us-workers

quote:

For all the stylishness and sleekness of its products, the Apple business model is an unattractive and, over the long term, possibly an unsustainable one. It subcontracts work that offers the Chinese little prospect of economic development, while at the same time selling to Americans and others products they want but increasingly don't have the jobs or incomes to buy so readily.




Interesting article.



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RE: Apple's big announcement. - 24/4/2012 8:14:32 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: King of Kafiristan


quote:

ORIGINAL: adambatman82


quote:

ORIGINAL: Spaldron

http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2012/apr/23/bad-apple-employ-more-us-workers

quote:

For all the stylishness and sleekness of its products, the Apple business model is an unattractive and, over the long term, possibly an unsustainable one. It subcontracts work that offers the Chinese little prospect of economic development, while at the same time selling to Americans and others products they want but increasingly don't have the jobs or incomes to buy so readily.



I can appreciate why you've pulled up that quote in particular, but doesn't the reality of the situation prove otherwise? I'd hazard a guess that there isn't a corporation on the planet that wouldn't switch places with Apple right now. I'd also hazard a guess that Apple have considered moving back to the US in greater detail than any industry analyst or researcher, and that for whatever reason it's not economically viable enough to just justify and ultimately, and lawfully, they owe it to their shareholders to do what is most financially attractive. This is how business works, and if you think that the device that you are reading this comment on was produced with any different intention then chances are you're wrong.

What I really don't get is the manner in which Apple are singled out in situations like this. All electronics companies work in this way. I'm not saying that that makes it okay, but this apparent air of supremacy harboured by non-Apple users is hilarious.

Products Foxconn make -

iPad
iPhone
The Samsung Galaxy range of phones and tablets
Wii
X-Box 360
Playstation 3

And companies they work for -

Acer
Amazon
Apple
Cisco
Dell
Hewlett Packard
Intel
Microsoft
Motorola
Nintendo
Nokia
Samsung
Sony
Toshiba


Amen. That's what I always say. Why is the focus on Apple? They don't even have the worst track record at Foxconn. XBOX 360 workers threatened group suicide.

It's just propaganda to smear Apple and tarnish their reputation, when the truth is no one is clean. At least Apple has industry leading standards of openness.


Whereas those working on Apple products just did it.

I agree its lubricious to single out Apple but I think it is more of a reaction to the way Apple market their products, the place they inhabit within the market and also as a backlash against Apple fans who can be extremely grating.

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RE: Apple's big announcement. - 24/4/2012 8:35:22 PM   
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Whereas those working on Apple products just did it.


As far as I can tell there hasn't been a mass suicide at any Foxconn factory, irregardless of who the products are being produced for. Not sure why you'd say that when it's not the case.

Also the suicide rate at Foxconn is actually 30% lower than the average for Chinese factory workers.

http://www.zdnet.com/blog/foremski/media-gets-its-facts-wrong-working-at-foxconn-significantly-cuts-suicide-risk/1356

I guess this sort of hysteria baiting is endemic of the shock and awe, celebrity obsessed society in which we now live. Cunts love scandal, can't get enough of it, even when its largely made up and makes the person taken in by it look a little bit silly.


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RE: Apple's big announcement. - 24/4/2012 8:51:40 PM   
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I wasn't talking about mass suicide I was drawing the line between threatening mass suicide and individuals who have actually killed themselves.

EDIT: Thanks for the edit, didn't appreciate the insinuation that I was a cunt, whether it was intended or not.

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RE: Apple's big announcement. - 24/4/2012 9:10:22 PM   
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quote:

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EDIT: Thanks for the edit, didn't appreciate the insinuation that I was a cunt, whether it was intended or not.


I didn't actually edit any of that bit, I was actually clarifying the wording of my statistics about factory workers.

Just to clarify though, I'm not referring to anyone specifically in this thread as a cunt.

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RE: Apple's big announcement. - 25/4/2012 12:35:14 AM   
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At least Apple has industry leading standards of openness.


I know context is king, but that statement amuses me no end.


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RE: Apple's big announcement. - 18/7/2012 9:31:18 AM   
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Apple are reportedly using a different technology for the new iPhone screens:

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RE: Apple's big announcement. - 31/8/2012 11:16:58 AM   
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For those that were following the Apple - v- Samsung case and the recent $1bn award against Samsung:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-19425052

Now, I confess to not having followed the legal arguments that closely, but from what I can read in the reaction to this, the juror appears to have completely misinterpreted certain technical matters to the rest of the jury, swaying them towards his opinion that Apple should win the case.  A kind of anti-Fonda if you like.  His frivolous dismissal of Samsung's prior art claim seems to fly in the face of the jurors' instructions in this regard at the start of the trial:

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Here is a list of the ways that either party can show that a patent claim was not new:

If the claimed invention was already publicly known or publicly used by others in the United States before the date of conception of the claimed invention;

If the claimed invention was already patented or described in a printed publication anywhere in the world before the date of conception of the claimed invention. A reference is a "printed publication" if it is accessible to those interested in the field, even if it is difficult to find;

If the claimed invention was already made by someone else in the United States before the date of conception of the claimed invention, if that other person had not abandoned the invention or kept it secret;
If the patent holder and the alleged infringer dispute who is a first inventor, the person who first conceived of the claimed invention and first reduced it to practice is the first inventor. If one person conceived of the claimed invention first, but reduced to practice second, that person is the first inventor only if that person (a) began to reduce the claimed invention to practice before the other party conceived of it, and (b) continued to work diligently to reduce it to practice. A claimed invention is "reduced to practice" when it has been tested sufficiently to show that it will work for its intended purpose or when it is fully described in a patent application filed with the PTO.

If the claimed invention was already described in another issued U.S. patent or published U.S. patent application that was based on a patent application filed before the patent holders application filing date or the date of conception of the claimed invention.

Since certain of them are in dispute, you must determine dates of conception for the claimed inventions and prior inventions. Conception is the mental part of an inventive act and is proven when the invention is shown in its complete form by drawings, disclosure to another, or other forms of evidence presented at trial.
  


Look at that bit in bold, then look at the evidence submitted as evidence of prior art by Samsung:



Anyone else starting to find this a strange decision?  At the very least, the appeal should prove very interesting!


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RE: Apple's big announcement. - 5/9/2012 9:38:57 AM   
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RE: Apple's big announcement. - 5/9/2012 9:52:26 AM   
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For those that were following the Apple - v- Samsung case and the recent $1bn award against Samsung:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-19425052

Now, I confess to not having followed the legal arguments that closely, but from what I can read in the reaction to this, the juror appears to have completely misinterpreted certain technical matters to the rest of the jury, swaying them towards his opinion that Apple should win the case.  A kind of anti-Fonda if you like.  His frivolous dismissal of Samsung's prior art claim seems to fly in the face of the jurors' instructions in this regard at the start of the trial:

quote:


Here is a list of the ways that either party can show that a patent claim was not new:

If the claimed invention was already publicly known or publicly used by others in the United States before the date of conception of the claimed invention;

If the claimed invention was already patented or described in a printed publication anywhere in the world before the date of conception of the claimed invention. A reference is a "printed publication" if it is accessible to those interested in the field, even if it is difficult to find;

If the claimed invention was already made by someone else in the United States before the date of conception of the claimed invention, if that other person had not abandoned the invention or kept it secret;
If the patent holder and the alleged infringer dispute who is a first inventor, the person who first conceived of the claimed invention and first reduced it to practice is the first inventor. If one person conceived of the claimed invention first, but reduced to practice second, that person is the first inventor only if that person (a) began to reduce the claimed invention to practice before the other party conceived of it, and (b) continued to work diligently to reduce it to practice. A claimed invention is "reduced to practice" when it has been tested sufficiently to show that it will work for its intended purpose or when it is fully described in a patent application filed with the PTO.

If the claimed invention was already described in another issued U.S. patent or published U.S. patent application that was based on a patent application filed before the patent holder's application filing date or the date of conception of the claimed invention.

Since certain of them are in dispute, you must determine dates of conception for the claimed inventions and prior inventions. Conception is the mental part of an inventive act and is proven when the invention is shown in its complete form by drawings, disclosure to another, or other forms of evidence presented at trial.
  


Look at that bit in bold, then look at the evidence submitted as evidence of prior art by Samsung:



Anyone else starting to find this a strange decision?  At the very least, the appeal should prove very interesting!



I'd looked at the Apple justification pics which that juror used as back-up for what he did and wasn't sure why non-touchscreen phones were being used as the Samsung comparison. If you have a touchscreen, won't you want a full screen phone?


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RE: Apple's big announcement. - 5/9/2012 7:46:32 PM   
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RE: Apple's big announcement. - 5/9/2012 8:39:05 PM   
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So, after a mere 4 years as a Mac user, one new internal harddrive and several system restores later, I have recently found out my iMac is now effectively obsolete and that in order to keep up to date with current software requirements, it would be 'cheaper in the long run' to spend another 1500 'or so' on a new one.

With this in mind, coupled with their recent ruthless exploitation of patent laws, I have come to the conclusion that Apple are all of the evils of capitalism incarnate and that Steve Jobs was actually the spawn of Satan all along.

I want to be a PC again.

And I hope the rot begins to set in with this lawsuit and it backfires over their greedy faces.

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RE: Apple's big announcement. - 6/9/2012 12:05:20 PM   
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So, after a mere 4 years as a Mac user, one new internal harddrive and several system restores later, I have recently found out my iMac is now effectively obsolete and that in order to keep up to date with current software requirements, it would be 'cheaper in the long run' to spend another 1500 'or so' on a new one.



My 2005 Intel iMac still runs fine. Granted, I can't upgrade to Mountain Lion (haven't been able to jump to a new OS for several years), but I wouldn't describe it as "obsolete" in any real-world sense.

How often do people upgrade their computers these days? Will 4 year old PC's run Windows 8 for example?

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RE: Apple's big announcement. - 6/9/2012 1:05:44 PM   
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How often do people upgrade their computers these days? Will 4 year old PC's run Windows 8 for example?


Yup actually has less system requirements than Windows 7

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RE: Apple's big announcement. - 6/9/2012 1:28:46 PM   
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quote:

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How often do people upgrade their computers these days? Will 4 year old PC's run Windows 8 for example?


Yup actually has less system requirements than Windows 7


Zing!

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