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Glad to hear it Jim! "Freekin' awesome" is all the incentive I need. I'm still hearing that Hemsworth is a little un-charismatic and is acted off screen by Hopkins and Hiddlestone though. Any truth to this?

None whatsoever.

Loki and Odin's roles are more nuanced and subtle perhaps - and they're both at the top of their game - but Hemsworth more than matches them - he brings a great physicality to his role, but more than that, the arc his character goes through in the film requires him to display a good range (from brash, cocky, almost stupid arrogance, through berserker rages, to quiet, easy masculine charm, a sense of humour, humility, wisdom... fear not; the trailers don't do him justice - the man can act.

As for uncharismatic... well, that's completely the opposite to what he is. He has "it". I compare his performance to Reeve from Superman the Movie - not in any derivative or imitative way, but in that he exudes an easy charm - a 'charisma' if you will - that totally sells it. He is to Thor what RDJ was to Iron Man.

Hopefully you will have seen it for yourself by now and can judge for yourself... and if not, why not? Get yerself to the cinema man!

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ORIGINAL: primebhoy

Still to catch it myself, theres not been a suitable 2D showing yet, as I hate 3D (also £10.40 for a ticket!!) i will catch it next week when the crowds and annoying teenagers have gone!

Cant wait tho.

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ORIGINAL: stef3

I think I am the start of the rash of casual fans that are going to start flooding "The avengers" threads in the near future. I have already reviewed Thor over on the fans review thread and won't go on about that except to say that I loved every second. This comes from a person who didn't know about Thor at all before going to the movie and didn't know about the avengers except that Joss whedon was directing it who I know mainly for buffy and firefly. Was not really interested until I saw Thor and heard all the references to "stark" and saw the after credit sequences which intrigued me enough for me to look it all up online.

A shared universe?! All leading up to a big ensemble cast of marvel superheroes in The Avengers?! I am a sucker for this sort of thing with all the references and love the idea. I know for a fact that a lot of people are only realising this after enjoying this film so much and I have seen a lot of posts in other places about their surprise. I remember seeing headlines about the avengers film at comic-con and the lineup but I really don't know what that meant until now. All the marketing execs have accomplished what they set out to do in making this shared universe-made me a fan and made me anticipate the next few films.

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ORIGINAL: Wild about Wilder

Trouble is with Bats around you really need to get it out May-June cos I think Bat-Man'll do serious damage.

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...and Stef welcome to the unspellchecked crucible of high geekery.

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ORIGINAL: stef3

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...and Stef welcome to the unspellchecked crucible of high geekery.

And thank you everybody!

Anyways,went into Thor with zero expectations and came out a geek! My parents will be so proud (deep sarcasm)...

Have been looking at the Captain America trailer repeatedly on youtube today and love it more and more....Had the faintest understanding of Captain America (and assorted Marvel superheroes) until recently, and just love the concept more and more. A sickly guy who repeatedly tries to join the army solely to beat up nazis and agrees to undergo experimental treatment just to beat up more baddies and then does just that-and then gets frozen until the present day-why wasn't this made into a movie ages ago (a good movie!?). And people, I am not american but if we can't get behind weaklings that wanna beat up nazis and assorted bad guys (and take part in crazy experiments) just because of his principles, who can we get behind as human beings?

The statement above is full of lol but also very serious. Fatigue may also have played a factor.

So, does anyone figure that the Cap will be frozen (or whatever), at the end of the second act of the upcoming film and then is introduced into the present day and into "The Avengers initiative" or will they wait until the very end of the film (the last 10 mins) or just wait until "The Avengers" for him to make his intro? The third option just doesn't fit well with me as I think film will have been mostly set up character wise from the previous film in the series and will be mostly action orientated and the team bonding as an unlikely family. But nearly everyone on this thread will have more knowledge about the characters and the comic book series upon which the film will be based so what do you think will happen?

Also, Hugo Weaving as Red Skull/ Nazi/alien - most epic villain casting ever!

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ORIGINAL: Marwood

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ORIGINAL: stef3

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...and Stef welcome to the unspellchecked crucible of high geekery.

And thank you everybody!

Anyways,went into Thor with zero expectations and came out a geek! My parents will be so proud (deep sarcasm)...

Have been looking at the Captain America trailer repeatedly on youtube today and love it more and more....Had the faintest understanding of Captain America (and assorted Marvel superheroes) until recently, and just love the concept more and more. A sickly guy who repeatedly tries to join the army solely to beat up nazis and agrees to undergo experimental treatment just to beat up more baddies and then does just that-and then gets frozen until the present day-why wasn't this made into a movie ages ago (a good movie!?). And people, I am not american but if we can't get behind weaklings that wanna beat up nazis and assorted bad guys (and take part in crazy experiments) just because of his principles, who can we get behind as human beings?

The statement above is full of lol but also very serious. Fatigue may also have played a factor.

So, does anyone figure that the Cap will be frozen (or whatever), at the end of the second act of the upcoming film and then is introduced into the present day and into "The Avengers initiative" or will they wait until the very end of the film (the last 10 mins) or just wait until "The Avengers" for him to make his intro? The third option just doesn't fit well with me as I think film will have been mostly set up character wise from the previous film in the series and will be mostly action orientated and the team bonding as an unlikely family. But nearly everyone on this thread will have more knowledge about the characters and the comic book series upon which the film will be based so what do you think will happen?

Also, Hugo Weaving as Red Skull/ Nazi/alien - most epic villain casting ever!

The popular rumour is that the film is set during WWII but bookended with scenes in the modern world, if true then I think it will open with him being discovered, the bulk of the film will be flashback and end with him waking up. There was a shoot in Times Square recently which involved Evans, Jackson and director Joe Johnston which looks like it could be this ending scene or maybe an after credits thing like Fury's appearances in Iron Man 1 and Thor. Evans has said himself that Cap's "man out of time" aspect will come up in The Avengers and my feeling is that by the time we meet him again in The Avengers he's starting to adjust to modern life - still offers a lot of room for awkwardness and banter with Stark but doesn't necessarily mean Cap spends most of the film going "What is this place?!" and "Who am I?!". I expect the meat of his transition will feature in a Cap sequel (if it happens) but there will be a time delay between the end of Cap and start of Avengers during which time he has been briefed and drafted by Fury so is slowly catching up on history.

I agree that the characters we've seen should have been fleshed out enough so that their relationships in The Avengers involves less exposition and more team bonding; true we don't really know anything about Black Widow, Hawkeye or Fury but the others should have been well explored enough in their own films so that this one doesn't have to reintroduce them, it should be another step in their developing characters. I don't think we should expect wall to wall action though, Marvel have hired a writer/director who's well known for strong characterisation so there'll be a lot of dramatic and comedic scenes too. I think having these characters together just means the big action scenes will be that bit more spectacular, not necessarilly more frequent than the other films. X-Men 2 is still the watermark for a team film IMO and I hope Whedon has that same balance in this.

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ORIGINAL: fugaziuk

after seeing Thor for the second time i really want to read those ultimate graphic novels everyone has reffered to on here. Bit confused those are there are so many Ultimate avengers novels on amazon - is this the VOL1 everyone is on about?
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Ultimate-Comics-Avengers-Mark-Millar/dp/1846534429/ref=sr_1_2?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1306186020&sr=1-2

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ORIGINAL: Marwood

I don't think they should rush it really, I remember reading an interview with Feige some time ago where one of the Cap film ideas was to bring him into the modern world about half way through but they nixed it because the period setting held more interest to them. The man out of time aspect is great but save it for a sequel or use The Avengers to introduce and start exploring that arc rather than overstuff the first film. It worked very well in The Ultimates Vol 1 and I don't think it's a stretch to use a similar framing for Cap in The Avengers...although I hope they don't reference Ultimate Cap too much, that guy's an arsehole.

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ORIGINAL: lukeyboy

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ORIGINAL: Marwood

I don't think they should rush it really, I remember reading an interview with Feige some time ago where one of the Cap film ideas was to bring him into the modern world about half way through but they nixed it because the period setting held more interest to them. The man out of time aspect is great but save it for a sequel or use The Avengers to introduce and start exploring that arc rather than overstuff the first film. It worked very well in The Ultimates Vol 1 and I don't think it's a stretch to use a similar framing for Cap in The Avengers...although I hope they don't reference Ultimate Cap too much, that guy's an arsehole.

I know what you mean about overstuffing the movie - but I still think there's a little room to art least introduce the whole man out of time arc. I'll make a sportsman's bet that they will - even if if it's just in the post credit's sequence!
Yeah, the Ultimate Cap is a complete tool but the relationship he has with Thor is awesome and really works. That would be great to see in The Avengers. Thinking about it - apart from Thor, most of the characters have some really unlikeable qualities. Giant Man is a wife beater and borderline mysoginist, Wasp is a slag, Iron Man is an alcoholic womaniser, Cap (as we already mentioned) is a sexist bigot and Hulk is a murdering psycopath. Thor's just a Hippy (all he needs is a bong instead of a hammer) Hawkeye's pretty cool though - love the bit where he digs out his own fingernails and kills a room full of baddies with them!!

The Avengers would definitely be rated R if it was based on these comics. I love 'em!!

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ORIGINAL: Marwood

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ORIGINAL: lukeyboy

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ORIGINAL: Marwood

I don't think they should rush it really, I remember reading an interview with Feige some time ago where one of the Cap film ideas was to bring him into the modern world about half way through but they nixed it because the period setting held more interest to them. The man out of time aspect is great but save it for a sequel or use The Avengers to introduce and start exploring that arc rather than overstuff the first film. It worked very well in The Ultimates Vol 1 and I don't think it's a stretch to use a similar framing for Cap in The Avengers...although I hope they don't reference Ultimate Cap too much, that guy's an arsehole.

I know what you mean about overstuffing the movie - but I still think there's a little room to art least introduce the whole man out of time arc. I'll make a sportsman's bet that they will - even if if it's just in the post credit's sequence!
Yeah, the Ultimate Cap is a complete tool but the relationship he has with Thor is awesome and really works. That would be great to see in The Avengers. Thinking about it - apart from Thor, most of the characters have some really unlikeable qualities. Giant Man is a wife beater and borderline mysoginist, Wasp is a slag, Iron Man is an alcoholic womaniser, Cap (as we already mentioned) is a sexist bigot and Hulk is a murdering psycopath. Thor's just a Hippy (all he needs is a bong instead of a hammer) Hawkeye's pretty cool though - love the bit where he digs out his own fingernails and kills a room full of baddies with them!!

The Avengers would definitely be rated R if it was based on these comics. I love 'em!!

I'd taken that as a given anyway if the bookend rumour is true, that recent NY shoot suggests that at least it will be a post credits sting. But that's all I think they should do with it in Cap 1, introduce the story point and leave the real meat of it for Avengers and Cap 2. I don't even think they should show his new costume in Cap 1, again leave that for the character's big reveal in Avengers as well.

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ORIGINAL: Wild about Wilder

Yeah cool with the nails but very much Bullseye don't yah think? though wonder if they'll be any mention of Bartons hearing difficulties?
Should think Avengers will be the longest film as they'll have to spread the story around with back stories for some of the lesser known characters.

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ORIGINAL: Wild about Wilder

Don't think Fury will be a member probably send them on missons as he's the head of Shield gonna be interesting how they're gonna play that out as it looks like a White Nick Fury's in the Captain America trailer along with Dum Dum Dugan & the rest of the Howling Commandos?
Perhaps Nick Fury'll be a name that's been passed down over the years.
I've heard The Wasp may appear & maybe Hank Pym as 1 of his 4 Super-Hero alter-egos I have no idea, though I myself would love 2c my favorite super-hero couple of The Vision & The Scarlett Witch Involved somehow but I don't C much chance if any at all of that happening.

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ORIGINAL: Wild about Wilder

Don't think Fury will be a member probably send them on missons as he's the head of Shield gonna be interesting how they're gonna play that out as it looks like a White Nick Fury's in the Captain America trailer along with Dum Dum Dugan & the rest of the Howling Commandos?
Perhaps Nick Fury'll be a name that's been passed down over the years.
I've heard The Wasp may appear & maybe Hank Pym as 1 of his 4 Super-Hero alter-egos I have no idea, though I myself would love 2c my favorite super-hero couple of The Vision & The Scarlett Witch Involved somehow but I don't C much chance if any at all of that happening.

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ORIGINAL: Wild about Wilder

Don't think Fury will be a member probably send them on missons as he's the head of Shield gonna be interesting how they're gonna play that out as it looks like a White Nick Fury's in the Captain America trailer along with Dum Dum Dugan & the rest of the Howling Commandos?
Perhaps Nick Fury'll be a name that's been passed down over the years.
I've heard The Wasp may appear & maybe Hank Pym as 1 of his 4 Super-Hero alter-egos I have no idea, though I myself would love 2c my favorite super-hero couple of The Vision & The Scarlett Witch Involved somehow but I don't C much chance if any at all of that happening.

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ORIGINAL: Wild about Wilder

There's a scene on the Trailer where cap & a bunch of soldiers burst in shooting Cap included he has a handgun & 2 of them with him definetly look like Marvels original White Nick Fury & unmistakenly his n.o2 Dum Dum Duggan as never seen any other GI going into battle wearing a Bowler hat or a( Derby never sure what it was) with the Zappata moustache.