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RE: Top 100 Films I've Watched This Year: 2010 - 18/6/2010 2:50:37 PM

Pigeon Army

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It would help street art's cause if Bansky wasn't one of the most boring people to ever exist.

And I love the fact that France actually has a comedian with the same name as the one Billy Liar imagines he had a job. Though Mic-Macs, like all Jeunet's films I've seen, with one exception, looks rubbish.

You're boring and rubbish. So stop being boring and rubbish.

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She's supposed to be 13! I'd want her to be very attractive though

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RE: Top 100 Films I've Watched This Year: 2010 - 18/6/2010 2:54:08 PM

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At least I don't like Banksy.

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RE: Top 100 Films I've Watched This Year: 2010 - 18/6/2010 2:58:28 PM

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I never said I did. I find the man distinctly hit-and-miss and I prefer his rat-based stencilling to his attempts at being 'politikul' (Guantanamo-in-Disneyland being the nadir of that, though the West Bank Wall art stunt was quite bold, regardless of what you think of the art itself). Exit Through the Gift Shop is really quite good, though - you'd like it, I guess, because it rips into all the 'sheeple' you so love to hate (he doesn't use that word, and you may not, but it seems like an appropriately flippant summary of your attitude towards anything that isn't given the okay by Morrissey or Godard).

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She's supposed to be 13! I'd want her to be very attractive though

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ORIGINAL: Pigeon Army
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RE: Top 100 Films I've Watched This Year: 2010 - 18/6/2010 3:02:53 PM

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sheeple

I hate this word.

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RE: Top 100 Films I've Watched This Year: 2010 - 18/6/2010 3:09:09 PM

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ORIGINAL: Pigeon Army

sheeple

I hate this word.

As do I. Bet Jayb loves it, though. It's flippant enough.

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She's supposed to be 13! I'd want her to be very attractive though

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RE: Top 100 Films I've Watched This Year: 2010 - 18/6/2010 3:15:01 PM

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I never said I did. I find the man distinctly hit-and-miss and I prefer his rat-based stencilling to his attempts at being 'politikul' (Guantanamo-in-Disneyland being the nadir of that, though the West Bank Wall art stunt was quite bold, regardless of what you think of the art itself). Exit Through the Gift Shop is really quite good, though - you'd like it, I guess, because it rips into all the 'sheeple' you so love to hate (he doesn't use that word, and you may not, but it seems like an appropriately flippant summary of your attitude towards anything that isn't given the okay by Morrissey or Godard).

The same sheeple that Bansky's whole career, fame and acclaim are based on, you mean?

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RE: Top 100 Films I've Watched This Year: 2010 - 18/6/2010 3:17:08 PM

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ORIGINAL: Pigeon Army

I never said I did. I find the man distinctly hit-and-miss and I prefer his rat-based stencilling to his attempts at being 'politikul' (Guantanamo-in-Disneyland being the nadir of that, though the West Bank Wall art stunt was quite bold, regardless of what you think of the art itself). Exit Through the Gift Shop is really quite good, though - you'd like it, I guess, because it rips into all the 'sheeple' you so love to hate (he doesn't use that word, and you may not, but it seems like an appropriately flippant summary of your attitude towards anything that isn't given the okay by Morrissey or Godard).

The same sheeple that Bansky's whole career, fame and acclaim are based on, you mean?

Yeah, actually. Hence the title.

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She's supposed to be 13! I'd want her to be very attractive though

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RE: Top 100 Films I've Watched This Year: 2010 - 18/6/2010 3:19:21 PM

jamesbondguy

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ORIGINAL: Pigeon Army

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ORIGINAL: jamesbondguy

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ORIGINAL: Pigeon Army

I never said I did. I find the man distinctly hit-and-miss and I prefer his rat-based stencilling to his attempts at being 'politikul' (Guantanamo-in-Disneyland being the nadir of that, though the West Bank Wall art stunt was quite bold, regardless of what you think of the art itself). Exit Through the Gift Shop is really quite good, though - you'd like it, I guess, because it rips into all the 'sheeple' you so love to hate (he doesn't use that word, and you may not, but it seems like an appropriately flippant summary of your attitude towards anything that isn't given the okay by Morrissey or Godard).

The same sheeple that Bansky's whole career, fame and acclaim are based on, you mean?

Yeah, actually. Hence the title.

Banksy's quite silly, then, as he couldn't possibly exist without these people, no matter whether he likes them or not.

Anyway, I still stand by saying that New Zealand deserved to lose to Slovakia.

< Message edited by jamesbondguy -- 18/6/2010 3:20:43 PM >

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RE: Top 100 Films I've Watched This Year: 2010 - 18/6/2010 3:24:19 PM

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ORIGINAL: jamesbondguy

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ORIGINAL: Pigeon Army

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ORIGINAL: jamesbondguy

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ORIGINAL: Pigeon Army

I never said I did. I find the man distinctly hit-and-miss and I prefer his rat-based stencilling to his attempts at being 'politikul' (Guantanamo-in-Disneyland being the nadir of that, though the West Bank Wall art stunt was quite bold, regardless of what you think of the art itself). Exit Through the Gift Shop is really quite good, though - you'd like it, I guess, because it rips into all the 'sheeple' you so love to hate (he doesn't use that word, and you may not, but it seems like an appropriately flippant summary of your attitude towards anything that isn't given the okay by Morrissey or Godard).

The same sheeple that Bansky's whole career, fame and acclaim are based on, you mean?

Yeah, actually. Hence the title.

Banksy's quite silly, then, as he couldn't possibly exist without these people, no matter whether he likes them or not.

That's not really true though, is it? Banksy could make art with or without people chasing his installations paying millions for his street art - he made street art pretty frequently before he started holding installations, and it's not like his existence is dependent on these people who buy into these manufactured notions of 'street art celebrity' without knowledge of whether the celebrity actually comes hand-in-hand with quality (a la the people at the MBW installation at the end of the film). Unless, of course, you are suggesting that Banksy's existence is entirely based on commercialism, which is just plain wrong.

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She's supposed to be 13! I'd want her to be very attractive though

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ORIGINAL: Pigeon Army
Stop being mean to Deviation

No.

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RE: Top 100 Films I've Watched This Year: 2010 - 18/6/2010 3:26:32 PM

jamesbondguy

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ORIGINAL: Pigeon Army

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ORIGINAL: jamesbondguy

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ORIGINAL: Pigeon Army

quote:

ORIGINAL: jamesbondguy

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ORIGINAL: Pigeon Army

I never said I did. I find the man distinctly hit-and-miss and I prefer his rat-based stencilling to his attempts at being 'politikul' (Guantanamo-in-Disneyland being the nadir of that, though the West Bank Wall art stunt was quite bold, regardless of what you think of the art itself). Exit Through the Gift Shop is really quite good, though - you'd like it, I guess, because it rips into all the 'sheeple' you so love to hate (he doesn't use that word, and you may not, but it seems like an appropriately flippant summary of your attitude towards anything that isn't given the okay by Morrissey or Godard).

The same sheeple that Bansky's whole career, fame and acclaim are based on, you mean?

Yeah, actually. Hence the title.

Banksy's quite silly, then, as he couldn't possibly exist without these people, no matter whether he likes them or not.

That's not really true though, is it? Banksy could make art with or without people chasing his installations paying millions for his street art - he made street art pretty frequently before he started holding installations, and it's not like his existence is dependent on these people who buy into these manufactured notions of 'street art celebrity' without knowledge of whether the celebrity actually comes hand-in-hand with quality (a la the people at the MBW installation at the end of the film). Unless, of course, you are suggesting that Banksy's existence is entirely based on commercialism, which is just plain wrong.

No-one would have seen his film if these people didn't exist.

If these people didn't exist, he would just be a random guy spraying shit on walls.

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RE: Top 100 Films I've Watched This Year: 2010 - 18/6/2010 4:31:04 PM

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So you're saying it's wrong to bite the hand that feeds him?

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RE: Top 100 Films I've Watched This Year: 2010 - 18/6/2010 4:56:25 PM

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What are sheeple? Sounds like the name of a pie.

"Three sheeple pies please!"

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RE: Top 100 Films I've Watched This Year: 2010 - 18/6/2010 11:40:55 PM

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New entries:

33. Once In A Lifetime: The Extraordinary Story Of The New York Cosmos (2006, Crowder & Dower) 8/10
Great documentary about the short-lived football boom in the USA in the 70's and the all-star New York Cosmos team. The film tells of the evolution of the Cosmos from their humble beginnings in front of a few hundred people to playing to crowds of 70,000+ with Pele and Beckenbauer in the team. The story is told with an infectious affection by the various talking heads who clearly loved the club and the era (though Italian striker Giorgio Chinaglia is treated as the villain of the piece) and though the venture ultimately failed, you do get swept along with the enthusiasm that runs throughout the film.

72. Pulp (1972, Hodges) 7/10
Michael Caine stars as a writer of mediocre pulp novels who is hired to write the autobiography of a Hollywood legend only to uncover his dark secret. The film is quite light-hearted and is especially fun in the opening scenes, though it gets darker towards the end. The film is narrated by Caine's character who, in a brilliant touch, narrates proceedings in noir cliches straight from his novels ("It looked like her honour was on the missing list. So was her cash. I got the feeling it was too late to retrieve either."). Though quite lightweight, the film is certainly enjoyable, with Mickey Rooney hilarious as the retired Hollywood star and Lizabeth Scott is good in her final film role.

100. Bugsy Malone (1976, Parker) 5/10
A novel idea (a 1920's set gangster musical starring kids), but it's largely disappointing. The child actors are poor (only Jodie Foster shows any talent, which is why she's the only one to have launched a proper career. Scott Baio included), the story is both trite and disjointed (the boxing scene serves no purpose) and there are too many duff songs. There are a couple of good scenes, but the best thing I can say about it is that it inspired the brilliant video for "After Hours" by the Bluetones.

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RE: Top 100 Films I've Watched This Year: 2010 - 19/6/2010 12:59:03 AM

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The Killer Inside Me

Shockingly violent film with a frighteningly insouciant performance by Casey Affleck. I was not overly impressed with the film, but that was before the quite stunning ending. It's uncomfortable viewing but the payoff and the bathetic mood of the film immediately before it knocked me for six.

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RE: Top 100 Films I've Watched This Year: 2010 - 19/6/2010 1:05:47 AM

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No-one would have seen his film if these people didn't exist.

If these people didn't exist, he would just be a random guy spraying shit on walls.

So he can't critique the public's perception of street art and how hype and celebrity work in that area because he makes money making street art?

So should Radiohead have never recorded My Iron Lung because the nobhead fans of Creep that they criticise gave them money? Should The Smiths not have recorded Meat is Murder because omnivores were undoubtedly the majority of purchasers of their albums? Should David Lynch not have Mulholland Drive because he wouldn't have gotten to where he was without Hollywood?

Basically, you've just made a broad comment dismissing ten shitloads of films and music and stuff because "it's silly to criticise that that got you where you are innit". It's a stupid argument that mindlessly invalidates self-reflexive satire and expressing forthright opinions on a number of things for fear of criticising your fanbase. Just because Banksy's fans are targeted in Exit Through the Gift Shop, doesn't mean that what he says about hype and celebrity and the nature of art in the documentary isn't any less valid or potent. In fact, it makes it more valid because it's a scene he knows, intimately - a Banksy documentary on fans of reggae probably wouldn't be as valid because he's no expert on reggae.

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She's supposed to be 13! I'd want her to be very attractive though

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Stop being mean to Deviation

No.

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RE: Top 100 Films I've Watched This Year: 2010 - 19/6/2010 1:09:04 AM

paul_ie86

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ORIGINAL: Pigeon Army

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ORIGINAL: jamesbondguy

No-one would have seen his film if these people didn't exist.

If these people didn't exist, he would just be a random guy spraying shit on walls.

So he can't critique the public's perception of street art and how hype and celebrity work in that area because he makes money making street art?

So should Radiohead have never recorded My Iron Lung because the nobhead fans of Creep that they criticise gave them money? Should The Smiths not have recorded Meat is Murder because omnivores were undoubtedly the majority of purchasers of their albums? Should David Lynch not have Mulholland Drive because he wouldn't have gotten to where he was without Hollywood?

Basically, you've just made a broad comment dismissing ten shitloads of films and music and stuff because "it's silly to criticise that that got you where you are innit". It's a stupid argument that mindlessly invalidates self-reflexive satire and expressing forthright opinions on a number of things for fear of criticising your fanbase. Just because Banksy's fans are targeted in Exit Through the Gift Shop, doesn't mean that what he says about hype and celebrity and the nature of art in the documentary isn't any less valid or potent. In fact, it makes it more valid because it's a scene he knows, intimately - a Banksy documentary on fans of reggae probably wouldn't be as valid because he's no expert on reggae.

Good point

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So you're saying it's wrong to bite the hand that feeds him?

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RE: Top 100 Films I've Watched This Year: 2010 - 19/6/2010 1:13:53 AM

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Mainly, Banksy sucks.

A Bansky film about reggae fans might be good, though. As long as he knows his stuff about the Trojan label and it's skinhead fanbase, of course. Mainly because that's the only reggae I know anything about.

Edit: This post makes me look pathetic.

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RE: Top 100 Films I've Watched This Year: 2010 - 19/6/2010 1:29:25 AM

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ORIGINAL: paul_ie86

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ORIGINAL: Pigeon Army

quote:

ORIGINAL: jamesbondguy

No-one would have seen his film if these people didn't exist.

If these people didn't exist, he would just be a random guy spraying shit on walls.

So he can't critique the public's perception of street art and how hype and celebrity work in that area because he makes money making street art?

So should Radiohead have never recorded My Iron Lung because the nobhead fans of Creep that they criticise gave them money? Should The Smiths not have recorded Meat is Murder because omnivores were undoubtedly the majority of purchasers of their albums? Should David Lynch not have Mulholland Drive because he wouldn't have gotten to where he was without Hollywood?

Basically, you've just made a broad comment dismissing ten shitloads of films and music and stuff because "it's silly to criticise that that got you where you are innit". It's a stupid argument that mindlessly invalidates self-reflexive satire and expressing forthright opinions on a number of things for fear of criticising your fanbase. Just because Banksy's fans are targeted in Exit Through the Gift Shop, doesn't mean that what he says about hype and celebrity and the nature of art in the documentary isn't any less valid or potent. In fact, it makes it more valid because it's a scene he knows, intimately - a Banksy documentary on fans of reggae probably wouldn't be as valid because he's no expert on reggae.

Good point

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So you're saying it's wrong to bite the hand that feeds him?

Paul, he doesn't listen to you. Anyone who isn't me or Piles is white noise to him.

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She's supposed to be 13! I'd want her to be very attractive though

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ORIGINAL: Pigeon Army
Stop being mean to Deviation

No.

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RE: Top 100 Films I've Watched This Year: 2010 - 19/6/2010 1:30:09 AM

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Mainly, Banksy sucks.

A Bansky film about reggae fans might be good, though. As long as he knows his stuff about the Trojan label and it's skinhead fanbase, of course. Mainly because that's the only reggae I know anything about.

Edit: This post makes me look pathetic.

Yeah, this post.

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She's supposed to be 13! I'd want her to be very attractive though

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Stop being mean to Deviation

No.

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RE: Top 100 Films I've Watched This Year: 2010 - 19/6/2010 1:34:55 AM

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Good point.

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RE: Top 100 Films I've Watched This Year: 2010 - 19/6/2010 1:48:15 AM

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Good point.

Watched any Stallone lately?

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She's supposed to be 13! I'd want her to be very attractive though

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Stop being mean to Deviation

No.

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RE: Top 100 Films I've Watched This Year: 2010 - 19/6/2010 1:49:55 AM

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JayB, how about Silent Light? It is great.

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RE: Top 100 Films I've Watched This Year: 2010 - 19/6/2010 1:52:44 AM

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No, and I will watch it eventually, promise, respectively.

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RE: Top 100 Films I've Watched This Year: 2010 - 19/6/2010 2:41:48 AM

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An excerpt from a recent MSN conversation between myself, Miles, Rhubarb and Devi. It may interest those of you who like to know just how wrong Miles can be on film. Wall of text inbound.

Miles says:
BTW Amelie sucks
just so that's clear
Rhubarb says:
oh fuck off
Miles says:
no you
Rhubarb says:
No, you.
Pigeon Army says:
The Batman reference is great in Loaf and Death.
Also, FUCK YOU MILES
Deviation says:
Amelie>Miles
Miles says:
what was the Batman reference
Pigeon Army says:
Some days, Miles, you just can't get rid of a bomb.
Miles says:
how can you guys like the film that rolls Kieslowski and Wong into one and comes out with something sickly sweet, anti-introvert, and shit?
oh right
Pigeon Army says:
It doesn't nothing of the kind, you gargantuan twatface.
*does
Miles says:
yes it does
you were right the first time
it does everything like that
Rhubarb says:
I don't see it
Miles says:
basically the message of the film is that if you're an introvert you're a fucking weirdo
Rhubarb says:
Anti-introvert as well?
No it isn't
Miles says:
yeah
yeah
yeah
Deviation says:
Oh noes
Rhubarb says:
You're a fucking idiot
Miles says:
fuck off and shut up
and it pilfers from Veronique and Chungking
Deviation says:
this si reminiscient of that Kiwi! is worse Triumph of the Will post
Pigeon Army says:
The fuck are you talking about?
Miles says:
with Tautou having neither the charisma of Jacob
Rhubarb says:
I don't see that at all
Miles says:
nor the presence of Faye
Pigeon Army says:
Seriously, all I hear is "blah blah blah I'm Miles and I suck"
Miles says:
Kiwi! is fucking awful
Deviation says:
Wait
Miles
Miles says:
go suck your debating team buddies' dicks
Deviation says:
Yo like Godard and Tarantino right?
Pigeon Army says:
Jeunet's a filmmaker informed by a quirky take on golden age Hollywood, you silly twunt.
Paul says:
I don't see the "if your an introvert, your a fucking weirdo" angle
Rhubarb says:
Anyway, right the point of the film is to be affirming to introverts. one of the reasons i love it so much is because it makes a connection and it feels like its for me
Miles says:
Godard is alright
it's not affirming to introverts though
Rhubarb says:
IT FUCKING IS
COS I AM ONE
Miles says:
all the introverts you see in the film are losers
Pigeon Army says:
He's not informed anywhere near as much by Kieslowski and Wong.
Rhubarb says:
No they are not
Pigeon Army says:
BUT THEY'RE NOT
Miles says:
yes he is
the colour scheme
Rhubarb says:
How are they losers?
Miles says:
the apartment thing
Pigeon Army says:
Amelie's a genuinely sweet, friendly person.
Rhubarb says:
They fucking win
Miles says:
oh come the fuck on
she's a bitch
Pigeon Army says:
...
Rhubarb says:
No she isn't.
Miles says:
who feels like she can middle in people's lives
peoples' *
Pigeon Army says:
You are reading so much stupid shit into this.
Miles says:
no I'm not
Deviation says:
I can't see the relation between Kieslowski and Amelie
Miles says:
you're just skimming the surface
Veronique is yellow
greenish
Amelie is that
Rhubarb says:
Your skimming the surface
Miles says:
and Tautou is basically an inferior Jacob
no I'm not
Rhubarb says:
OMG SAME COLOUR SCHEMES WHAT A RIP OFF
Miles says:
I'm making an argument
Rhubarb says:
A poor one
Miles says:
you're saying "I like it, it's fun"
oh right
Pigeon Army says:
It is a fucking awful argument.
Miles says:
forgive me for not liking a shit film
Rhubarb says:
Am�lie is bigger and more imagintive and fantastical
Ki�slowski is more measured, serious, slower
Miles says:
it tries so fucking hard though
that puts me off
Deviation says:
"who feels like she can middle in people's lives"

Better than being selfish and leaving them misreable no?
Paul says:
OK, the two biggest introverts find love with eachother. How is that not affirming
Miles says:
there is no � in Kieslowski
it's not affirming because they're fucking creepy
especially the dude
Paul says:
They're not creepy, they're eccentric
Rhubarb says:
its on the s
Miles says:
it's like PDL all over again
yeah it is
Rhubarb says:
my keyboard can't put it on the s
Miles says:
meh
anyway
you all suck
Rhubarb says:
Not really
Pigeon Army says:
It's a genuinely sweet film that doesn't say "introverts are losers" because the majority of introverts in it are genuinely good people (with the exception of Pinon in it), and doesn't crib Kieslowski and Wong because Jeunet's style is a more singular one informed by more whimsical art - cartoons and golden age Hollywood.
Miles says:
time for an Empire update
Golden Age Hollywood how exactly
Paul says:
Is Pinon the ex-boyfriend?
Deviation says:
The one in the bar
Who Amelie befriends
Miles says:
Amelie is not a good person though
she's fucking creepy
but I digress
Rhubarb says:
She'd get it
Pigeon Army says:
The deceptively simple love stories, the coincidences, the sweetness of the film's morality, the slapstick humour.
Miles says:
the film is junk
Pigeon Army says:
How is she creepy?
Miles says:
that all put me off
oh come the fuck on
that smile
Paul says:
Next, your going to say it's racist
Miles says:
she's like a garden gnome
Pigeon Army says:
...
Fuck this shit.
Miles says:
and getting into people's apartments?
really?
it's not racist
Deviation says:
Well you can
Pigeon Army says:
He deserved to have his mind messed with FOR CHRIST'S SAKE
Miles says:
but it does sort of go in that direction
yeah, PA, "fuck this shit"
Deviation says:
Going by this rate you will say the film has no racial tensions therefore ignoring the existence of other races
Miles says:
alright let's not argue
Rhubarb says:
If i wasn't so lazy i'd punch you in the gut miles

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Deviation says:
The smile is creepy?
Miles says:
yes
http://darialois.files.wordpress.com/2008/04/amelie1.jpg how's that not creepy
Deviation says:
that is not creepy
Miles says:
why am I wasting time on this anyway
Deviation says:
That is like saying that Jacob is hedious
Miles says:
hedious lol
Deviation says:
I just can't see why
Sorry
Miles says:
I'm not saying Tautou is unattractive
Deviation says:
light switched
Miles says:
but the film doesn't
Deviation says:
off
Miles says:
present her properly
Pigeon Army says:
IT'S NOT CREEPY
Miles says:
but as a baffling caricature
of everything quirku
*quirky
Pigeon Army says:
Oh, so she's not 'normal', so you don't like her.
Deviation says:
When is she a baffling caricature?
Pigeon Army says:
Do you hate people who aren't 'normal', Miles?
Deviation says:
She was hardly Juno
Pigeon Army says:
Devi, everyone has to be just like Miles, or else they're not people.
Miles says:
I didn't fucking say that
Rhubarb says:
ilikejuno.
Miles says:
a lot of my favourite films have odd characters
Deviation says:
Or a character in a Sergio leone spaghetti western
Miles says:
but they feel real
Deviation says:
which I love
Miles says:
Leone's characters either feel real or are symbols
which is fine
but they don't annoy the shit out of me
Rhubarb says:
amelie is a symbol of introverts
Pigeon Army says:
Amelie feels real, absolutely.
Miles says:
exactly
no she doesn't
anyway
Deviation says:
Really, I think they are very mythic
Miles says:
no point in arguing
Rhubarb says:
Well ladedah
Pigeon Army says:
No, because you're wrong.
Deviation says:
the characters in the TGTBTU
Miles says:
I might re-watch it one da
no I'm not
Rhubarb says:
today
Deviation says:
Hardly realistic
Miles says:
but since I'm alone I could never convince you
I didn't say they were Deviation
Deviation says:
which I have no problem with
Miles says:
not today Rhubarb
I don't feel like torture
Deviation says:
But realistic characters they are not
Miles says:
no they aren't
but they aren't supposed to be
Amelie should have been a proper character to make me emphasise with her

...

Miles says:
Amelie lovers pass it off as something truly important
and magical and shit
racist lolz
cats aren't a race
Rhubarb says:
but for me it actually is those things
Miles says:
anyway stop distracting me
I'm not saying it can't be that to people
Rhubarb says:
it is important and life afirming and magical and full of love
Miles says:
but to say my interpretation is wrong is unfair
Paul says:
I wouldn't go that far, but it is a good film
Miles says:
because it's much more founded than most of my arguments
Pigeon Army says:
Well, your interpretation is wrong, because Jeunet never once presents Amelie and co as creepy.
Miles says:
I found them creepy
who's to say you're right
Pigeon Army says:
He has great empathy for these characters.
Deviation says:
I can see the creepy stalkers bit, it's what makes the film so peculiar
Miles says:
Kieslowski has great empathy for losers
but these losers feel like people
Amelie and co feel like caricatures
Pigeon Army says:
No, but you're saying that the film says 'introverts are fucking weirdos', which is wrong.
Miles says:
it does
Deviation says:
When
Miles says:
because it doesn't develop them
Deviation says:
Where
Miles says:
How
Pigeon Army says:
I don't see how Veronique or the people in Red and Blue are 'losers'.
Deviation says:
How
Pigeon Army says:
How
Miles says:
the Dekalog characters
and Karol Karol in White
Pigeon Army says:
But that's hardly a 'pattern'.
Miles says:
in Dekalog it is
he empathises
with
Deviation says:
because it doesn't develop them

I can't see the relation between this and "introverts are losers" bit
Miles says:
a father and daughter with incestual desires
a murderer
an adultress
a spying creep
a mental thief
a paranoid impotent husband
but these feel like real people
Pigeon Army says:
Okay, no less than five of that seven are not losers.
They are people with problems.
People with problems =/= losers.
Deviation says:
never called losers though
And what PA says
Miles says:
I'm talking in general terms
people with problems, fine
Pigeon Army says:
That you're calling them losers is more indicative of your horribly blinkered worldview than of the filmmakers' intentions.
Miles says:
to claim Amelie is better than any of Kieslowski's work is absurd
I'm not saying all murderers are losers
Deviation says:
Who said that?
Pigeon Army says:
I'm saying that.
Miles says:
just saying that Kieslowski empathises with these heavily flawed characters
that's because you're a fucking idiot
though
Deviation says:
Juenet>Kieslowski?
Paul says:
It's better than Blue
Miles says:
not my fault
Deviation says:
Dunno there
Pigeon Army says:
BUT THEY ARE DIFFERENT TO THE CHARACTERS IN AMELIE
Miles says:
hahahahaha Pula
Pigeon Army says:
DON'T YOU SEE IT
Rhubarb says:
no i agree with PA
Pigeon Army says:
USE YOUR FUCKING EYES
Miles says:
Rhubarb shut up
Rhubarb says:
Am�lie is in my top ten of ever
Miles says:
Kieslowski is one of the greatetst directors ever
Amelie is a joke
Pigeon Army says:
Amelie's in my top five of ever, yah.
Miles says:
well go blow each other
Rhubarb says:
Hey i'm a big fan of kieslowski
Pigeon Army says:
And for the record, Veronique and Three Colours: Red are in my Top 100.

...

Miles says:
if I want something good and magical I can always find more restrained and well made films to watch
Rhubarb says:
why would you want restraint in a fantasy?
Miles says:
in how it presents its characters
not the plot
Rhubarb says:
Terry Gilliam (Surely a more obvious influence on Jeunet) wouldn't show restraint
Deviation says:
I'm sorry I am lost here
Gilliam
Pigeon Army says:
Look, basically what you've told us, Miles, is that you find eccentric people to be creepy. That's it.
Deviation says:
restraint
Miles says:
I've only seen one Gilliam plus his Monty Python stuff
PA, I said the opposite
I said that I don't find eccentric people creepy but that Amelie does present them as such
Pigeon Army says:
There was some shit about colour schemes to try and justify it, but that's essentially what I'm getting from your argument.
No it doesn't!
Jeunet does no such thing!
Miles says:
well I thought it did
whether you see it or not is irrelevant
Pigeon Army says:
He presents them as flawed but genuinely nice people!
Miles says:
I disagree!
Pigeon Army says:
They have quirks, but they're good people!
Rhubarb says:
Miles you're like an idiot savant. But not so smart.
Pigeon Army says:
TELL ME WHY
Deviation says:
I never found the characters in Amelie creepy or evil
Pigeon Army says:
Without just saying "they're creepy lulz".
Miles says:
because I don't think that getting into other people's apartments for creepy revenge is a good act
Deviation says:
Actually there is no villian in Amelie
Miles says:
*petty revenge
Paul says:
The grocer is the villain innit
Deviation says:
Even the green grocer is sympathized with
At the end

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RE: Top 100 Films I've Watched This Year: 2010 - 19/6/2010 2:43:38 AM

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Hey I can be pretty flippant when the mood takes me.

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You organisational skills sicken me, Rhubarb.

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RE: Top 100 Films I've Watched This Year: 2010 - 19/6/2010 2:45:26 AM

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Features:

26. L�eclisse [The Eclipse] (1962, Antonioni)
The final entry in Antonioni's loose trilogy about communication (or lack thereof), famous for its depictions of ennui, stunning cinematography, and the beauty of Vitti. L'eclisse has all of this in spades. I preferred La Notte (I have a bit of a weakness for films taking place over a short period of time, in that case just over 24 hours), but this is still fantastic. Vitti delivers an inspired performance - a single laugh of her character says more than most speeches ever delivered in cinema. Delon gives excellent support. The star of the film, however, is Antonioni. This is the 4th film I've seen by him, and they're all about a similar subject matter. If you're not a fan, then his films will fade into one slow pretty but plotless and ultimately boring film. I've been converted, however, and am convinced this is a work of genius, and one that will undoubtedly get better on re-watches. 9

73. Coffee and Cigarettes (2003, Jarmusch)
A series of vignettes, connected only by the substances of the title. Naturally uneven, but I loved Jarmusch's treatment of communication (though it's treated very differently from the film above) and fame. Very self-reflexive and very cool. Not as visually appealing or memorable as a film as Ghost Dog, but stuff like Blanchett's segment, Coogan's, Murray's, Waits' come together really nicely even when the weaker ones (Renee being the most prominent one) slightly drag the film down. The final segment is also wonderful. Overall, based on just 2 films so far, I think Jarmusch is a director I'd love, and also'd love to hang out with, even though I don't smoke or drink coffee. 8

108. Heavenly Creatures (1994, Jackson)
I don't know why, but this didn't quite work for me. I think it may try a little too hard, as it's theatrical and obvious in many respects. Good fantasy sequences and ultimately decent performances though. The aftermath of the murder may be even more interesting than the lead-up to it personally, but this didn't have a hook. 7

Shorts:

Finally got around to the Oscar 2009 nominated animated shorts. From worst to best:
61. Granny O'Grimm's Sleeping Beauty (2008, Phelan) {6 mins}
Wow, people weren't lying, this is pretty bad. The kid is animated horribly and Granny's rant is just ... 4

55. French Roast (2008, Jaubert) {8 mins}
Too broad in its satire of bourgeoisie to truly succeed (as it has little of interest otherwise), but I like the "one take" animation approach and there was an odd funny moment. 6

53. La dama y la muerte [The Lady and the Reaper] (2009, Gracia) {8 mins}
What the hell was that supposed to be? A tonal misfire. Maybe I just wasn't expecting it, but I don't think the slapstick Death chase sequence (which is about 86% of the film) was what the other 14% actually needed. 6

31. Logorama (2009, Alaux/de Cr�cy/Houplain) {16 mins}
Fun, inventive, and even though the message isn't subtle, it suits the form perfectly. Nice voicework, too. A good winner. 8

17. A Matter of Loaf and Death (2008, Park) {29 mins}
However, predictably, Logorama wasn't the deserved winner. Even though Loaf and Death isn't as good as Park's 90s duo, it's better than the feature film. The references are obvious but work better than in say a Simpsons episode, Gromit is simply marvellous, and his love interest is really sweet. Wallace is still the old buffoon, and the chemistry is still there. Just made me feel good, dontchaknow. 9

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Miles is clearly the finest film theorist of his generation

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if it isn't ham, I'll eat a living pig.

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RE: Top 100 Films I've Watched This Year: 2010 - 19/6/2010 2:46:19 AM

Pigeon Army

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ORIGINAL: Miles Messervy 007

108. Heavenly Creatures (1994, Jackson)
I don't know why, but this didn't quite work for me. I think it may try a little too hard, as it's theatrical and obvious in many respects. Good fantasy sequences and ultimately decent performances though. The aftermath of the murder may be even more interesting than the lead-up to it personally, but this didn't have a hook. 7

Were the girls too weird for you?

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