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RE: Avatar - 22/12/2009 11:06:49 PM   
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Indeed!

As a spectacle/event, it's unrivalled. I don't think I've enjoyed a trip to the cinema so much. But as a movie, it's just decent. It's not Cameron's best, but not bad by any means.



I have to say I agree. as a movie experince. it the best one Ive had it a long long while. the effects were almost as drawing dropping as seeing starwars for the first time.
as a mvie experince Id give it 10, as a film its self. its big and clunky/ its a 7
however its defitnaly a big screen movie. watching on you tv will not do it justice

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RE: Avatar - 22/12/2009 11:39:04 PM   
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Not as fun as Star Trek, thoughtful as Moon or as mechtastic as District 9.

It was very nice to look at, but a hollow experience.


Nicely put. Doesn't make it as a favourite, but looks nice and has some cracking action. A good, dramatic soundtrack would have made a difference.


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RE: Avatar - 23/12/2009 8:30:31 PM   
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RE: Avatar - 24/12/2009 12:51:20 AM   
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Not as fun as Star Trek, thoughtful as Moon or as mechtastic as District 9.

It was very nice to look at, but a hollow experience.

I thoroughly agree. Typical James Cameron movie. Jaw-dropping special effects and thrilling battle sequences ruined by juvenile scriptwriting, clunking socio-political references, cardboard cut-out characters and love story sculpted with all of the finesse of a fat trucker giving himself a hand-job in the back of his rig.

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RE: Avatar - 24/12/2009 3:57:58 AM   
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sculpted with all of the finesse of a fat trucker giving himself a hand-job in the back of his rig.



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RE: Avatar - 24/12/2009 6:58:48 AM   
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WHAT ARE THEY STARING AT? THOSE EYES, THEY LOOK NOWHERE

Also, Tech, we get it - you are unnaturally attracted to a blue twelve-foot alien cat person. Careful now, or else Timmy will be confronting you about your play for his niche.

Will be seeing this in the New Years with my family, as I must endure a two-hour drive to see it in 3D. Grrrr.


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RE: Avatar - 24/12/2009 8:11:46 AM   
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I reviewed this elsewhere but briefly, I thought this was a big disappointment. The effects WERE fantastic, but nowhere near as revolutionary as claimed, how is almost perfecting [and I say almost perfecting, they're not quite there imo] techniques that have been around for ages revolutionary? The script, a patchwork throughout of other films, was shoddy and almost shocking in it's unoriginality. Everything else was ok I suppose, but hardly outstanding, and it all felt like a Star Wars prequel to me!

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RE: Avatar - 24/12/2009 9:23:23 AM   
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Everything else was ok I suppose, but hardly outstanding, and it all felt like a Star Wars prequel to me!


The film had a heart, something the prequels lacked for the most part.

I absolutely loved the montage where Jake is becoming one the of the people and we cut to him in the shack with Grace and the other guy, he's becoming genuinely interested in Na'vi life and less of a grunt soldier. The music actually wasn't bad here either.

Cameron definitely hasn't done a Lucas and been swallowed by technology, every frame was about story and character - even if people didn't like the story.

I even liked the last line in the film "It's my birthday".

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RE: Avatar - 24/12/2009 2:02:03 PM   
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Everything else was ok I suppose, but hardly outstanding, and it all felt like a Star Wars prequel to me!


The film had a heart, something the prequels lacked for the most part.

I absolutely loved the montage where Jake is becoming on the of the people and we cut to him in the shack with Grace and the other guy, he's becoming genuinely interested in Na'vi life and less of a grunt soldier. The music actually wasn't bad here either.

Cameron definitely hasn't done a Lucas and been swallowed by technology, every frame was about story and character - even if people didn't like the story.

I even liked the last line in the film "It's my birthday".


I'm with Tech on this. Personally I think Lucas should be re-educated in film by James Cameron. Whilst I do agree that the story isn't the most original, that there are elements of Dances with Wolves and even Bravheart in it's climax, there is a story there and it's got a bit of a sweep to it. I've said it before, I loved it, I thought it was a great experience and I look forward to seeing it again, in either 3-D or 2-D, I think it'll work either way. And besides, as mega budget blockbusters go, it's a hell of a lot better than Transformers 2:Revenge of the Turd.

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RE: Avatar - 24/12/2009 3:14:47 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Tech_Noir


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ORIGINAL: Dr Lenera

Everything else was ok I suppose, but hardly outstanding, and it all felt like a Star Wars prequel to me!


The film had a heart, something the prequels lacked for the most part.

I absolutely loved the montage where Jake is becoming on the of the people and we cut to him in the shack with Grace and the other guy, he's becoming genuinely interested in Na'vi life and less of a grunt soldier. The music actually wasn't bad here either.

Cameron definitely hasn't done a Lucas and been swallowed by technology, every frame was about story and character - even if people didn't like the story.

I even liked the last line in the film "It's my birthday".


I'm with Tech on this. Personally I think Lucas should be re-educated in film by James Cameron. Whilst I do agree that the story isn't the most original, that there are elements of Dances with Wolves and even Bravheart in it's climax, there is a story there and it's got a bit of a sweep to it. I've said it before, I loved it, I thought it was a great experience and I look forward to seeing it again, in either 3-D or 2-D, I think it'll work either way. And besides, as mega budget blockbusters go, it's a hell of a lot better than Transformers 2:Revenge of the Turd.


Surely Transformers shouldnt be a benchmark for quality though. The lack of heart was the one thing that totally pushed this film from average to bad for me. Where is this mythical heart thee speak of?

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RE: Avatar - 24/12/2009 3:20:49 PM   
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 the Star wars sequels were way more fun and had better visuals.

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RE: Avatar - 24/12/2009 4:01:23 PM   
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 the Star wars sequels were way more fun and had better visuals.


And an engaging mythology.

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RE: Avatar - 24/12/2009 4:33:40 PM   
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WHAT ARE THEY STARING AT? THOSE EYES, THEY LOOK NOWHERE



You're kidding right? That's a joke, right?

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RE: Avatar - 24/12/2009 5:03:16 PM   
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WHAT ARE THEY STARING AT? THOSE EYES, THEY LOOK NOWHERE



You're kidding right? That's a joke, right?


I thought this too, compare to the dead eye look of Zemeckis's last few animated movies the Na'Vi looked brilliantly human in their emotions at times, the facial tics and imperfections were great


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RE: Avatar - 24/12/2009 5:06:23 PM   
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the Star wars sequels were way more fun and had better visuals.


And an engaging mythology.


I think the prequels have their plus points, but not this, is anything they harmed the mythology of the SW universe more than help it, midiclorians, the jedi being inept buffoons for the most part, etc etc


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RE: Avatar - 24/12/2009 5:11:22 PM   
rich


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No no no, the Star Wars prequels have a large number of elements marking them as BAD FILMS, Avatar may be just as CG filled, but its a good film. Just not a great or classic film. I wish the ideas this poster conjured up in my mind made it onto the screen:




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RE: Avatar - 24/12/2009 5:16:50 PM   
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The trouble with these sorts of films (Star Wars, LOTR, even Harry Potter) is that expectations are set so high that to even come close to a satisfying experience is an achievement. It's easy to love low-key films that you discover yourself, or think you have, but when you have a film marketed at you and review quotes popping up saying "This is Great!", etc. many people automatically want to dislike it.

If I didn't anything about Avatar or who made it and watched it as a random movie one night I reckon I would loved it a lot more.

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RE: Avatar - 24/12/2009 5:21:30 PM   
rich


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The problem is that my idea of the movie is based on the idea of what sort of films Jim Cameron is likely to make - T2 was a long long time ago, the guy has probably changed as a person since then ( I have no reason to watch Titanic) - hence no good characters, no tight pacing, no memorable dialogue. Sure he can do amazing battles, but the likes of Ripley, Kyle Reese, Pvt Hudson are not going to be seen again. Its another world. All I'm left with is a decent adventure film, one that I am too old to appreciate 100%. I can see myself being amazed at Avatar - when I was 15.


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RE: Avatar - 24/12/2009 5:24:28 PM   
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Titanic has great characters, pacing, etc. It's still a better movie than Avatar in my opinion.

But I won't get into that.

James Cameron is a different filmmaker now than he was in the 80s, we should be grateful that he's not becoming a bad filmmaker.

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RE: Avatar - 24/12/2009 5:25:58 PM   
rich


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Give me some Avatar quotes  I cant remember any "bullshit outfit" moments at all.

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RE: Avatar - 24/12/2009 5:29:18 PM   
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Give me some Avatar quotes  I cant remember any "bullshit outfit" moments at all.


"What have you guys been smoking down there? They're just trees!"

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RE: Avatar - 24/12/2009 5:40:43 PM   
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Give me some Avatar quotes  I cant remember any "bullshit outfit" moments at all.


Its "chickenshit outfit"




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RE: Avatar - 24/12/2009 5:43:15 PM   
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There's a simple line Jake says during the montage in the middle that combined with the music gave me goosebumps.

"I'm getting stronger"

I also like it when Neytiri keeps calling him a "baby" when they first meet.

The more I think about it the more I like this film.

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RE: Avatar - 24/12/2009 5:44:47 PM   
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There's a simple line Jake says during the montage in the middle that combined with the music gave me goosebumps.

"I'm getting stronger"

I also like it when Neytiri keeps calling him a "baby" when they first meet.

The more I think about it the more I like this film.


I must go see it again, i loved the rallying the tribes part where Jake says "and this....this is OUR LAND!"  fuck yeah!


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RE: Avatar - 24/12/2009 5:47:29 PM   
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Give me some Avatar quotes  I cant remember any "bullshit outfit" moments at all.


Its "chickenshit outfit"





Argh, y'see this Avatar rubbish is clouding my memory.

I jest. My favourite moments are probably summed up here:







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RE: Avatar - 24/12/2009 5:49:59 PM   
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RE: Avatar - 24/12/2009 6:08:11 PM   
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I must go see it again, i loved the rallying the tribes part where Jake says "and this....this is OUR LAND!"  fuck yeah!

You've got to be kidding, dude?! That was the worst part of the whole thing. All I could keep thinking was "this is our Independence Day". It was just naff.

Edit: And Tech, there's a difference between dialogue you can remember and memorable dialogue. Avatar certainly doesn't contain the latter.

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RE: Avatar - 24/12/2009 7:01:07 PM   
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Boo, Avatar rules Limey!

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RE: Avatar - 24/12/2009 7:03:42 PM   
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I haven't seen it yet. Is it good? I've had the chance to see it on multiple occasions this week but have opted not to at the last minute each time. I dunno if i can handle its running time. I hate sitting in the cinema!

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RE: Avatar - 24/12/2009 7:53:35 PM   
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Tech-porn!

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