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ORIGINAL: gusbuster

The headline should definately be McG THREATENS More Terminator Movies. Salvation was an excersise in squandering potential. He had all the right elements there, but managed to mess them up. Great backstory - nuked to bits. Established characters - made unsympathetic and dehumanised. Interesting new characters - terminated.
If they ever sort out the rights they'll have to do so much ret-conning to get a decent story in place it'll hardly be worth it.

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Connor will in all likelihood come to realise the way he can be the saviour is to create propoganda about himself to hoodwink Skynet into declaring him the key to victory more than is actually reasonable. By doing this he will have the machines thinking 'kill connor, win the war'. And this in itself allows other tactics to be employed against skynet while they focus on connor, convinced that all victories for the resistence are down to him.

Then, in their last gasp, they try to prevent connor ever being born, and when the events of the original movie have been kicked into effect, Connor does what he has to do: Skynet believes killing him = victory, and have no other programs running. So Connor allows the T3 Arnie to kill him (thus completing skynets only objective and rendering it useless) and Katherine reprgrogrammes Arnie to ensure John survives Judgement day, in order to survive long enough to fulfil his destiny: to let Skynet kill him when the time is right.

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ORIGINAL: Funk_Knight
And please - can we see Terminators fulfilling there basic programming - infiltration and termination? The T-600 were like guard/stormtrooper types in that film.

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ORIGINAL: iainski

Didn't use the proper, classic theme tune, Terminators could be destroyed with standard gun fire, standard little kiddy type for the young uns to "connect" with and as soon as those motorcycle Terminators came out the giant Terminator's shins that was it for me... Salvation was a crock of shit and a disgrace to the Terminator name. I think I paused it about 8 times to go do something more fun, like shit, or peel my eyelids off with a Stanley blade.

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ORIGINAL: jobloffski


"Terminator Salvation was a travesty of a terminator movie. Out of two female characters one's pregnant and the other has to be rescued by Sam Worthington all the time. I'm not sure if McG had seen the original Terminator but if so he certainly didn't understand it. "

Ah, the original 'feminist' movie in which Sarah's role in the grand scheme of things is to get pregnant , as she is told by a man who is there to rescue/protect her and who shags her in a scene with a tit squeezing close up. Yes, she eventually defeats the terminator herself, but only after being protected by Reece until he is killed and can no longer protect her. And the grit she exhibited was instilled in her by Reece's experiences and seeing him fight and die for her.

More seriously, it was a film with a female lead character, so she obviously got more screen time, although she was a woman going nowhere, trapped by circumstance until the MAN who would change her life showed up, opened her mind to a new destiny in which she would be stronger, fell in love with her, shagged her, then died to leave her facing the future without him (which is also the same pattern of events used for Titanic, as was the key idea that man's arrogance about the things he creates leads to disaster).


Worthington rescues one of the women, yes, but only needs to because there are too many attackers for her to deal with, not because she can't fend for herself. And the 'dramatic point' of the scene was not 'bloke rescues defenceless woman' but to portray a terminator protecting a human being from harm, which is more important to the story than any cliche, be it a man rescuing a woman cliche or a woman so tough she don't need no rescuin by no daman man, all she has to do is kick all the men who would do her harm in the balls cliche. And can't someone help someone whose parachute gets caught on something without it having anything to do with the gender of the helper and the helped?

And Kate Brewster is indeed pregnant, as foreshadowed by T3, in which she and John are told their children will be important. Neither of these two women were the focus of TS (Not even John Connor was the focus of the film). It was Marcus's film above all others, and whatever role the female characters have in the scheme of things hasn't even been written yet.

The two roles do actually refer back to the original (women in the future are good fighters and a woman being told of the importance of the fruit of her womb) they just don't happen to be the focus of the particular film in which they appear. What a loaed of well meaning shit would be on our screens if every character was treated as a representative of their gender rather than an element within a story with a role to play in that story. Gender idealisation reduces all to anonymity in the end.

Does an understanding of the original film automatically necessitate the creation of a 'sarah connor type' to be wedged into the character mix of the fourth film? Personally, I feel Sarah became a female icon of cinema purely because of the lack or rivals for such a position. She's there to be the baby carrier of the male hero who will save the future in T1, and a semi psychopath in T2, in which Cameron actually takes the piss out of feminist thinking by having John say its not helping when Sarah starts criticising men for creating weapons and berating men not being able to have kids, to create a life and feel it grow.