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A Christmas Carol - 4/11/2009 10:34:23 AM   
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Meh! - 4/11/2009 12:15:09 PM   
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I migh watch it in a few years when it comes on tv by which time it will probably on 3D tv anyway so I'm not missing out on anything

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- 4/11/2009 3:13:30 PM   
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I've already posted my review on a thread I started this morning.

Pretty disappointing review from Angie Errigo. To spend practically the entire tiny review just talking about how you feel towards motion capture isn't really reviewing the movie. Having seen it last night I don't feel you have even bothered to try and critique the film to give people an idea of what Zemeckis has tried to do here.
To not even mention the dialogue being taken straight from the text; or the extraordinary lack of humour and tom-foolery the trailer suggested seems amazing to me.

What about the art direction? The lighting? The camera moves?! The performance from Carrey? Alan Silvestri's wonderful score? The amazing opening overview of London in the early 19th Century?
The genuine horror within the film?

I hope it gets a bigger and more worthwhile piece of writing when the magazine hits at the end of the month

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Meh! - 4/11/2009 4:27:55 PM   
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I migh watch it in a few years when it comes on tv by which time it will probably on 3D tv anyway so I'm not missing out on anything

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RE: Meh! - 4/11/2009 5:12:07 PM   
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The thing is we have had a number of traditonal tellings of the story using the text directly. We have had so many adaptations, musicals, tv specials and so on and so forth that we really have to think what this version of Carol does that is unique.

Indeed there have been AT LEAST 3 animated versions of the tale this decade (remember the Kate Winslet song for one of them?).

The new stuff really is the mo-cap features, but it may need to bring more to the table. For me the best telling of the story in any format is Patrick Stewerts audio recording of the one man show he did a number of years ago.

In terms of TV and film

1. Muppet Christmas Carol
2. Sims version
3. George C. Scott
4. Albert Finney musical (which has a really dark scene set in hell)
5. Patrick Stewart

That isn't to mention Scrooged which really got the feel of the book.

Personally I am always more engaged with Scrooge at the start of the story. You really have to make him CRUEL, not just mean. Seeing him being a bully is where the actors have fun.

I will go and see this, but I am expecting a faithful, if slightly by the numbers adaptation. In most cases that would be acceptable, but the sheer number of versions of this story, so many of which are "by the numbers" makes this seem a little redundant.

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Christmas Carol - 4/11/2009 5:12:08 PM   
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I can't see myself ever wanting to watch this. Polar Express was visually awkard, Beowulf was mediochre, but the worst thing that they've both got in common (and A Christmas Carol too) is that they're completely pointless. The visual style is unappealing to me...why not just do it for real? As the review says, it's not quite real looking and it's not beautiful, either.

Zemeckis should just stop doing this as it seems like a pointless exercise. He's obsessed with a form of filmmaking that doesn't work. Get back to live-action Bob!

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A pedant writes... - 4/11/2009 6:09:11 PM   
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Tsk tsk, Empire, 'Who Framed Roger Rabbit?' - as a film magazine you ought to know there famously isn't a question mark in the title of this film, much as there ought to be.

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- 4/11/2009 7:46:31 PM   
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I agree with some of the earlier comments, and the review itself. There's something about mo' cap' I just don't like, but I can't put my finger on what it is. The human characters obviously don't look real, but at the same time they're not "animated" enough to look like animation as we know it - be it hand-drawn or CG. So what is the point?
I find the fact that a director as good as Zemeckis is investing so much of his energy into this new style of film-making as frustrating as the fact I can't find the words to describe my misgivings regarding mo' cap'!!

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- 4/11/2009 7:46:34 PM   
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I agree with some of the earlier comments, and the review itself. There's something about mo' cap' I just don't like, but I can't put my finger on what it is. The human characters obviously don't look real, but at the same time they're not "animated" enough to look like animation as we know it - be it hand-drawn or CG. So what is the point?
I find the fact that a director as good as Zemeckis is investing so much of his energy into this new style of film-making as frustrating as the fact I can't find the words to describe my misgivings regarding mo' cap'!!

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Started well - 4/11/2009 8:53:37 PM   
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And continued on a good stream for about an hour and change, about the time Christmas Future came by and chased a shrunken Scrooge around London the quality decided to not be as good, if they cut out that 5 minutes the film would probably have been better for it, though kids might be bored, gasp.

Still, it tried and some moments were good.

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mmm - 6/11/2009 8:32:41 AM   
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An odd review that says little about the film and lots about the cg/mo-cap stuff. 3 stars is fair enough though, it is very average. Watch Scrooged instead.

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- 6/11/2009 11:36:26 AM   
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looks alright. the review is very bleak, unusual for empire. doesn't look amazing but then again a christmas carol is just another dickins' novel hollywood is sucking the life out of

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- 6/11/2009 1:03:12 PM   
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Haven't seen it yet, but in answer to the issue as to why the Ghost of Christmas Past has a "candle with a flame for a head": read the book. No-one has satisfactorily found a way to represent this ghost, as the description provided in the novel is bewilderingly, and presumably, deliberately, vague. Some adaptions lazily shirk the handful of details that are provided in the text, but it would seem in this incarnation at least, that they have attempted to find a way to retain the spirit of Dicken's suggestion.

For what it's worth, I'm looking forward to it. It may be gimmicky, but I like the 3D stuff in full IMAX -- it's immersive. I'm not saying I'd like every film to be made in the style, but I'm happy to welcome the smattering that do come along -- provided that they're not crap of course. Incidentally, I find them much more easy to get into with those massive glasses they give you at the BFI IMAX, as opposed to those little sunglasses things they do at the Odeon.

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RE: - 7/11/2009 5:16:44 PM   
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Gorgeous to look at, but did we really need another version?

Simms and Mickey's Christmas Carol are still the definitive two for me.

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RE: RE: - 7/11/2009 6:37:02 PM   
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Yeah what a shit review. I love Polar Express - don't have a problem with motion capture (and I would have thought the point of using it is pretty obvious when you see some of the amazing sequences in Polar Express and Beowulf). All I want to know is if this is a cosy, feel-good, christmassy, fun, exciting film.

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RE: RE: - 7/11/2009 6:51:46 PM   
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It's certainly not cosy. Probably one of the darkest adaptations.

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The IMAX version was amazing - 8/11/2009 8:14:47 PM   
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I took the Kids to see the IMAX version of A Christmas Carol last night. The visuals were amazing - the story was as you would expect. Their was a good mix of olde english dialogue taken directly from the book and updated roller-coaster ride action sequences. A really good film experience at the IMAX for the whole family.

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RE: The IMAX version was amazing - 9/11/2009 1:49:20 AM   
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Seen it now!

This is a really weird adaption. In some respects, incredibly -- almost uniquely -- faithful to the source material, in others, really strangely, not (Scrooge shrinking -- no, really -- et al).

On the whole, the tone is most definitely very dark -- I'd be reluctant to take my kids to see this (specially if they were of a sensitive disposition). It's as if Zemickis is on a mission to restore the sort of rigorous Victorian horror and melodrama to the heart of the story, which whilst admirable, created, for me at least, a really uneven discordance between some throwaway whimsy (for the kids), and some genuinely disconcerting moments of peril and nastiness -- all exacerbated by the un-wordly look of the whole thing. The style of the CGI really serves to suck the humanity out of the characters, and by turns, the story -- in a strange twist of logic, the more real the animation becomes, the less human it seems. There is so little warmth here, and so little to connect to, that it's really hard to feel the legendary triumph when the story reaches its denouement, without which, it's a bit of a dud. Much of Dicken's detail remains, but for me, there was an overwhelming sense that the film misses the point ever so slightly. Dickens cannily inserts little beats throughout the narrative, whereby Scrooge is given cause to refer what he is shown throughout his experiences with the spirits, to his behaviour in the first act: this is excised in the film, and it suffers for it. Also, if Scrooge never gets to spend much time with Fred and Topper on Christmas Day, where's the warmth (and milk of human kindness, which is also missing), and where does he find motivation to change? The whole enlightenment of the character is broadly speaking fumbled -- and Dicken's suggestion about the potency of Christmas and its ability to bind people, and draw the good from them, is also missed, which is surely, kind of the point.

On a technical note, I was really frustrated by the poorness of some of the accent work. Carrey's Scrooge is pass-able, but to an English ear, most of the rest of it is utterly risible (with the obvious exceptions of Hoskins, Firth and Oldman).

As an IMAX experience, I quite liked it (I'm a sucker for all that swooping camera shit -- though am happy to admit it's not *cinema* per se), but I can't say I'll be recommending this film to anyone. I'd suggest a repeat trip to the Polar Express to any IMAX junkies -- does the same thing, but just sort of works better.

Oh, and camp Oirish accent aside, I have to say that the visual representation of the Ghost of Christmas Past is the most faithful I've seen.

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RE: The IMAX version was amazing - 9/11/2009 10:40:06 PM   
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Director/Screenwriter: Robert Zemeckis
Starring: Jim Carrey, Gary Oldman, Robin Wright Penn, Colin Firth Cary Elwes, Bob Hoskins

Synopsis
On the night of Christmas Eve in Victorian England, old miser Ebenezer Scrooge (Carrey) goes on a journey of self-redemption, courtesy of the three Christmas spirits.

Review
Charles Dickens’s classic story has been revisited so many times that we all should know what happens within this timeless tale. As for Disney, they have haunted Scrooge twice before, with their animated short Mickey’s Christmas Carol and The Muppet Christmas Carol (which is considered one of the finest adaptations of the story). And now for a third time, Disney has come back to scare the old geezer one more time as they have collaborated with effects-legend Robert Zemeckis.

In terms of how faithful this 3D adaptation is, well, all the characters speak in Old English, which would have been risky, but you quickly get use to the dialogue being said by this digital cast. However, when it comes to pace, the first few minutes does takes its time as the drama becomes slow as the old protagonist trying to get back his empty home.

As a children’s film, Zemeckis does bring a lot of horror to this jolly tale, as the best example would be the introduction of the ghostly Jacob Marley who can make us jump as a simple doorknob. This film may scare your kids and you might feel offended by it, but that's the whole point, because it is a ghost story.

While it is not Zemeckis' finest work, A Christmas Carol shows that the director has perfected his use on motion capture as the characters have both a realism and cartoonish design, as well as not looking too operatic in their performances. As with his two previous films, Zemeckis tries to expand the story by adding chase sequences or moments that feel like a rollercoaster ride. He does overdo it in this aspect, but the scenes do look visually great on IMAX 3D.

I was a bit skeptic when I heard Jim Carrey is playing Scrooge as he is one for his ups and downs, but his slapstick humor is displayed quite well here, while his physical performance is striking in various sequences, such as Scrooge's fingers slowly moving like the legs of a spider. However, like his role (or roles) in 2004's Lemony Snicket's A Series of Unfortunate Events,  he plays the three spirits: the Ghosts of Christmas Past (a flamed candle with a high-pitched Irish accent), Present (a jolly giant who sounds a lot like Brian Blessed) and Yet to Come (who is the Grim Reaper himself).

While Gary Oldman has his time doing multiple roles such as Marley, Bob Cratchit and his youngest son Tiny Tim in the story's tragic subplot; supportive actors like Robin Wright Penn and Bob Hoskins do not have enough screen time to display their characters. If there is one thing that this adaptation needed, is to allow more subplots during Scrooge's journey of self-discovery.

Verdict
It is not the finest version of Dickens' classic as it is Disney's most definitive yet, it is a whimsical visual experience powered by the mulitude of Mr Carrey. Here is an early Christmas present for  you all!

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RE: The IMAX version was amazing - 14/11/2009 7:10:24 PM   
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First off the movie looks fantastic, the direction and camera movement are first class and the film oozes atmosphere.
I was delighted by just how unreservedly scary it was for a family film and was left wondering just how Zemeckis might use this new technology to create a full on horror film (always loved his killer Santa Tales From The Crypt episode).
Carrey is engaging (even with the bizarre Yorkshire/ Scouse hybrid accent) and the rest of the cast cope admirably too.
The only real problem I had was with the over familiarity of the material. For first timers to the story this shouldn't matter one bit, and for those who have seen many versions over the years this should offer a unique telling of the tale.
One question though, why on earth wasn't this released at, errm, Christmas?
4 stars

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RE: The IMAX version was amazing - 14/11/2009 10:28:27 PM   
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Yeah, terrific animation, and the 3D is wonderful. The picture was often quite dark, though.

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RE: The IMAX version was amazing - 15/11/2009 12:50:03 AM   
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I would rather wait for the DVD release,

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RE: A Christmas Carol - 15/11/2009 2:33:01 PM   
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HMMM.

Dont seam to rember quite so many chases and explosions in the Book, or maybe I am wrong.

I think its a sad state where both the Muppets and Mickets Chrismas Carol where closer to the book than this.

3-D is pointless please stop using it Hollywood. We all know the real reason you push it is to try and stop piracy.

It was not that it was a bad film. Just well kinda pointless.  And why release it now???? surly an opening closer to Christmas makes more sense?

Not bad for kids but adults with any sense will be bored stiff in this. Watch Mickeys Christmas carol or Muppets instead. Much better.

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BAH HUMBUG..... - 20/11/2009 6:41:56 PM   
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Saw this last night - the 3D gave me a headache for the first few minutes - just not sure about all this motion capture business... the characters all look real enough - but those dead eyes that they all seem to have gives the game away. All tech - not much heart is how I'd describe this film.....but see it in 3D if you have to. Best performance of the film comes from Mr. Carrey who reigns in his usual manic persona to give us a very convincing curmudgeonly old sod......still ......Avatar is going to blow this effort out of the water....no problem....no wonder they released this early....

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BAH HUMBUG..... - 20/11/2009 6:41:58 PM   
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Saw this last night - the 3D gave me a headache for the first few minutes - just not sure about all this motion capture business... the characters all look real enough - but those dead eyes that they all seem to have gives the game away. All tech - not much heart is how I'd describe this film.....but see it in 3D if you have to. Best performance of the film comes from Mr. Carrey who reigns in his usual manic persona to give us a very convincing curmudgeonly old sod......still ......Avatar is going to blow this effort out of the water....no problem....no wonder they released this early....

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