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RE: Woefully Miscast - 6/11/2009 6:22:56 PM

boristhespie

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Keanu in Dracula for me wasn't bad he gets the pish ripeed for everything he is in. I aint got an infinity to the guy and I don't want to shag him but I will stick up for him. It's the same snobbish shite that Stallone has been plagued with. For the film they are in they are serviceable and in some great. An no I dinnae want to shag him either,

Personally I think Kermit the fuckin Frog was miscast in Muppet Christmas Carol, and all the other muppet films. Whi the fuck said he could act like a frog? He's not even Un francais.

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RE: Woefully Miscast - 6/11/2009 8:00:17 PM

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I think it's fashionable to shit on his films, but I do think KoH is the exception, rather than the rule.

I do agree with what you're saying about the role needing a younger and slighter actor than Crowe to use your example Homer but Bloom to me just wasn't convincing at all and showed no real depth in the part. Although he's denied the accusation before I believe that Sir Ridley was pushed by the studio into casting him due to the success of LOTR, Pirates and his general "heart throb" image to appeal to a larger audience. Fair enough, that's something studios have been pulling for decades and it's something that happened here as well I believe which weakened an otherwise fantastic historical epic (well, the more cohesive Director's Cut anyway - theatrical version was another victim of studio commands).

If it's fashionable for people to slag Bloom these days it's perhaps that he was promoted as being a big thing and proved that he's very pretty but doesn't have enough talent to back up his looks in more challenging roles. I thought he suited Legolas but even then it was an action oriented role which didn't demand much other than a pretty man to act stiff and aloof while being athletic enough to be convincing in the action scenes. If Bloom has strengths as an actor then we've seen them in Legolas and since then realised what a limited range he has. Now this isn't to say that he isn't capable of better but so far in my opinion he just hasn't delievered anything to justify his hype and KoH is the best example of him being miscast in a serious film.

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RE: Woefully Miscast - 6/11/2009 8:08:28 PM

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ORIGINAL: boristhespie

Keanu in Dracula for me wasn't bad he gets the pish ripeed for everything he is in. I aint got an infinity to the guy and I don't want to shag him but I will stick up for him. It's the same snobbish shite that Stallone has been plagued with. For the film they are in they are serviceable and in some great. An no I dinnae want to shag him either,

Personally I think Kermit the fuckin Frog was miscast in Muppet Christmas Carol, and all the other muppet films. Whi the fuck said he could act like a frog? He's not even Un francais.

I don't think it's snobbery Boris, just opinion. I think Keanu is great in Point Break, the Bill & Ted films and despite being about the 15th choice for the role he was a top Neo - I don't know, like or dislike the guy but the point of the thread is to sound off which actors users think were miscast in films not just to slag them. Stallone has done some great work but also some shit work and some people instantly think of his best as they're fantastic whereas others may instantly think of his worst as arguably he's done more bad than good.

If you think Keanu was good in Dracula then cool, glad you enjoyed the performance. I however thought he was stiff and lost in the role with a piss poor attempt at an accent. Even Kevin Costner realised he couldn't pull it off so didn't even try it. By the way he was a miscast Robin too, wait until Russel Crowe's version arrives to see how it's done.

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RE: Woefully Miscast - 6/11/2009 10:29:00 PM

darth silas

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OK, I'm going to come to someone's defence here - I thought Orlando Bloom was well cast for Kingdom of Heaven. They needed someone who was less imposing than might be expected. Balian was not a natural leader, but a man who lived in his brother's shadow, hated by him, a widower from a suicidal wife - he was a broken man. And a young man at that. Had they had a more muscular actor to play the character (Russell Crowe was mooted at one point, who apart from anything else would have been far too old) it would have seemed contrived, and fake. For this film, I think Bloom's relatively slight frame and unimposing attitude works.

Heath Ledger would have been great as Balian in Kingdom of Heaven.

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RE: Woefully Miscast - 6/11/2009 11:13:27 PM

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ORIGINAL: homersimpson_esq

OK, I'm going to come to someone's defence here - I thought Orlando Bloom was well cast for Kingdom of Heaven. They needed someone who was less imposing than might be expected. Balian was not a natural leader, but a man who lived in his brother's shadow, hated by him, a widower from a suicidal wife - he was a broken man. And a young man at that. Had they had a more muscular actor to play the character (Russell Crowe was mooted at one point, who apart from anything else would have been far too old) it would have seemed contrived, and fake. For this film, I think Bloom's relatively slight frame and unimposing attitude works.

Heath Ledger would have been great as Balian in Kingdom of Heaven.

A blonde Balian?

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RE: Woefully Miscast - 7/11/2009 4:46:34 AM

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I didn't have much problem with Bloom in Kingdom of Heaven, but he ain't the most engrossing of performers. Having a weedier character fronting your medieval epic is interesting and full of potential. You'd hope a slightly effeminate hero would take on some effeminate characteristics and be more cunning and manipulative, relying more on his wit, whilst being quite vicious and vengeful and under his harmless, girly facade and so on. But clearly Bloom doesn't have the charisma or ability for this

But I can forgive this because Kingdom of Heaven is mainly a spectacle with many other qualities. Plus it has a very ordinary script, recycled from various other medieval epic scripts, so I don't think the potential is really there for a complicated character anyway and it'd be harsh saying Bloom failed to bring any life to that lifeless, plodding dialogue. Although having said that, how good was Norton in that film?

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RE: Woefully Miscast - 7/11/2009 1:21:58 PM

darth silas

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Daniel Craig as James Bond.Sorry,have to mention him,this thread is entitled WOEFULLY MISCAST,and in my opinion he was woefully miscast as 007.

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RE: Woefully Miscast - 7/11/2009 1:23:46 PM

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He's not even blonde in that picture.

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RE: Woefully Miscast - 7/11/2009 1:30:30 PM

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And he has more charisma in that picture than that smug annoying joke that was Roger Moore in all those Bond films.

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RE: Woefully Miscast - 7/11/2009 4:15:37 PM

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RE: Woefully Miscast - 7/11/2009 4:21:08 PM

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RE: Woefully Miscast - 7/11/2009 5:59:31 PM

darth silas

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Richard Gere in The Jackal.We were supposed to take him seriously as a ''heroic'' oirish member of the IRA.

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RE: Woefully Miscast - 8/11/2009 11:50:32 AM

Edward Nygma

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Here are a few of my favourite miscastings..

George Clooney and Arnold Schwarzenegger - Batman and Robin
Mark Wahlberg - Planet of the Apes and The Happening
Christopher Lambert � Highlander and Mortal Kombat
Sean Connery - Highlander
Kevin Costner - Robin Hood Prince of Thieves
Robin Williams � Hook and Patch Adams
Halle Berry - Catwoman
Robert De Niro � Mary Shelley�s Frankenstein
Tommy Lee Jones � Batman Forever
Richard Pryor � Superman III
Woody Allen � The Curse of the Jade Scorpion
Bela Lugosi � Glen or Glenda

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RE: Woefully Miscast - 8/11/2009 5:47:22 PM

genejoke

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ORIGINAL: Edward Nygma

Here are a few of my favourite miscastings..

George Clooney and Arnold Schwarzenegger - Batman and Robin
Mark Wahlberg - Planet of the Apes and The Happening
Christopher Lambert � Highlander and Mortal Kombat
Sean Connery - Highlander
Kevin Costner - Robin Hood Prince of Thieves
Robin Williams � Hook and Patch Adams
Halle Berry - Catwoman
Robert De Niro � Mary Shelley's Frankenstein
Tommy Lee Jones � Batman Forever
Richard Pryor � Superman III
Woody Allen � The Curse of the Jade Scorpion
Bela Lugosi � Glen or Glenda

Have to disagree on some of these, clooney may have been alright as bats but the film was so dire its hard to say, i can't blame it all on Clooney. Similar deal with Tommy Lee Jones as two face, he did it well enough but it was a panto villain script, what could he really do? Christopher Lambert was good as Connor McCloud, accent aside his performance was pretty good. Same as costner in prince of thieves.

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RE: Woefully Miscast - 8/11/2009 6:41:44 PM

Edward Nygma

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Hm, I think if an actor is miscast it doesn't necessarily mean they give a bad performance. It just means that someone else would have fit in much better not only acting-wise but also physically.

If you're going to cast Batman for example, whoever you pick will at the very least need to look a little bit threatening. Clooney is a fine actor (in comedies anyway) but he's just not Batman....at all. He wears the same suit Val Kilmer did yet Kilmer looked the part. Clooney just looks ridiculous, like Adam West in the 60's TV show. But even West had some charisma. As for Tommy Lee Jones, you might be right. He could have been a decent Two Face if he hadnt been painted in purple and hadn't taken so much acid before every shot.

Costner actually looked the part but the fact he didn't even attempt an English accent just makes you wonder why they didn't just get an English actor or at least an actor willing to put the work into a feasable accent. And if you're gonna have Sir Sean Connery in a film about an immortal Scot, don't cast him as a Spaniard, that's just weird.

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RE: Woefully Miscast - 8/11/2009 7:08:09 PM

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ORIGINAL: Edward Nygma
Costner actually looked the part but the fact he didn't even attempt an English accent just makes you wonder why they didn't just get an English actor or at least an actor willing to put the work into a feasable accent. And if you're gonna have Sir Sean Connery in a film about an immortal Scot, don't cast him as a Spaniard, that's just weird.

I agree with this. As Cary Elwes says in Robin Hood: Men In Tights; "Unlike other Robin Hoods, I can speak with an English accent."

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RE: Woefully Miscast - 9/11/2009 10:20:07 AM

Workshed

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ORIGINAL: genejoke

quote:

ORIGINAL: Edward Nygma

Here are a few of my favourite miscastings..

George Clooney and Arnold Schwarzenegger - Batman and Robin
Mark Wahlberg - Planet of the Apes and The Happening
Christopher Lambert � Highlander and Mortal Kombat
Sean Connery - Highlander
Kevin Costner - Robin Hood Prince of Thieves
Robin Williams � Hook and Patch Adams
Halle Berry - Catwoman
Robert De Niro � Mary Shelley's Frankenstein
Tommy Lee Jones � Batman Forever
Richard Pryor � Superman III
Woody Allen � The Curse of the Jade Scorpion
Bela Lugosi � Glen or Glenda

Have to disagree on some of these, clooney may have been alright as bats but the film was so dire its hard to say, i can't blame it all on Clooney. Similar deal with Tommy Lee Jones as two face, he did it well enough but it was a panto villain script, what could he really do?

Research the source material? It's not all his fault, he was badly directed. He just seemed to be trying to top Jim Carrey all the time rather than contrast him, but aghain, the fault of the director. Shit film anyway.

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RE: Woefully Miscast - 9/11/2009 10:41:48 AM

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Oh well, looking on the plus side, at least we got to see what Two Face would have looked like in the original 60s TV show.

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RE: Woefully Miscast - 10/11/2009 3:20:25 PM

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Keanu in Dracula

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RE: Woefully Miscast - 12/11/2009 8:48:44 PM

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ORIGINAL: Marwood

quote:

ORIGINAL: boristhespie

Keanu in Dracula for me wasn't bad he gets the pish ripeed for everything he is in. I aint got an infinity to the guy and I don't want to shag him but I will stick up for him. It's the same snobbish shite that Stallone has been plagued with. For the film they are in they are serviceable and in some great. An no I dinnae want to shag him either,

Personally I think Kermit the fuckin Frog was miscast in Muppet Christmas Carol, and all the other muppet films. Whi the fuck said he could act like a frog? He's not even Un francais.

I don't think it's snobbery Boris, just opinion. I think Keanu is great in Point Break, the Bill & Ted films and despite being about the 15th choice for the role he was a top Neo - I don't know, like or dislike the guy but the point of the thread is to sound off which actors users think were miscast in films not just to slag them. Stallone has done some great work but also some shit work and some people instantly think of his best as they're fantastic whereas others may instantly think of his worst as arguably he's done more bad than good.

If you think Keanu was good in Dracula then cool, glad you enjoyed the performance. I however thought he was stiff and lost in the role with a piss poor attempt at an accent. Even Kevin Costner realised he couldn't pull it off so didn't even try it. By the way he was a miscast Robin too, wait until Russel Crowe's version arrives to see how it's done.

I hate to say it but he's just not right at all for it. He's just way too old. Robin Hood is supposed to be a youngster. And Crowe just looks like Maximus with a bow and arrow.

What's really dissapointing is this had such promise...when it was "Nottingham". Russell Crowe for the Sheriff would have rocked! I just don't get why they soured on it. Best I can find is that Riddley Scott wanted to do a more accurate interpretation. But really, it seems more like studio meddeling to me. To bad cause this could have been something special.

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RE: Woefully Miscast - 13/11/2009 12:01:33 AM

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Richard Gere in The Jackal.We were supposed to take him seriously as a ''heroic'' oirish member of the IRA.

Also Bruce Willis in the same film. And Jack Black.

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RE: Woefully Miscast - 18/11/2009 2:36:45 PM

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ORIGINAL: Edward Nygma

Costner actually looked the part but the fact he didn't even attempt an English accent just makes you wonder why they didn't just get an English actor or at least an actor willing to put the work into a feasable accent. And if you're gonna have Sir Sean Connery in a film about an immortal Scot, don't cast him as a Spaniard, that's just weird.

Costner said in an Empire interview a couple of years back that he wanted to do a British accent but wasn't allowed to. And Highlander's...ahem, individualistic approach to casting is part of its charm, rivalled only in recent years by Batman Begins I think.

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RE: Woefully Miscast - 18/11/2009 5:19:58 PM

Edward Nygma

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ORIGINAL: Dirty Hartigan

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ORIGINAL: Edward Nygma

Costner actually looked the part but the fact he didn't even attempt an English accent just makes you wonder why they didn't just get an English actor or at least an actor willing to put the work into a feasable accent. And if you're gonna have Sir Sean Connery in a film about an immortal Scot, don't cast him as a Spaniard, that's just weird.

Costner said in an Empire interview a couple of years back that he wanted to do a British accent but wasn't allowed to. And Highlander's...ahem, individualistic approach to casting is part of its charm, rivalled only in recent years by Batman Begins I think.

Oh ok. I guess Costner must have tried his hand at a British accent with not much success, prompting the filmmakers to just go with whatever they had. A shitty Don Cheadle-like British accent would have been worse than a normal American accent I guess...

Still, any problems could have been avoided had they picked a British actor in the first place!

Anyway, I loved how when Begins was released the trailers and even Empire misled everyone and made us all believe that Ken Watanabe was going to play Rhas Al Ghul, those cheeky buggers.

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