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RE: Dante's newer top 20 - 1/11/2009 2:29:03 PM   
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RE: Dante's newer top 20 - 1/11/2009 5:35:45 PM   
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RE: Dante's newer top 20 - 4/11/2009 2:55:33 PM   
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What?

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Picture the situation: in front of you there is a typewriter. You are in a hotel room in Los Angeles. You’re supposed to write a wrestling picture, a gig you’ve landed because of the fantastic praise your one play received back in New York. You want to write about the “common man”. No, scratch that. You not only want to write about the “common man”, you want to write for him. You want to capture his essence in a bottle and make wine from it. Sweet, tasty wine. There’s only one problem: you’ve got one hell of a writer’s block. Every time you type a few lines, you end up wondering where you are going to go next. The wallpaper peeling of in your room doesn’t give much inspiration. The same goes for the moaning next door. What you don’t know is that certain events have been set in motion. What kind of events? The kind that would make you wish you stayed back in New York.

This is the situation that the titular character (John Turturro) faces in Barton Fink, the fourth feature by the Coen brothers. Let me save you the trouble of wondering what I think of it by stating right away that I find to be the best film made by the siblings. It is also one of the best films ever made. That’s an opinion that I seem to share with the jury of the 1991 Cannes film festival, who not only awarded the film with the Palme d’Or, but also prizes for Best Director and Best Actor, an unprecedented event that hasn’t happened since.

Barton Fink is a film that breaks with the Coens tradition of either letting the film be a hardboiled thriller or a screwball comedy. Of course, there is a little bit of the hardboiled stuff here and there is some black comedy as well, but there is also a mysterious element that seems curiously reminiscent of another American visionary, more specifically David Lynch. For most of the time, though, the film plays like a traditional Coen brothers film. There is, for example, the odd receptionist played by Steve Buscemi who keeps repeating his name (that’s be Chet). Then, there is the presence of John Goodman as Barton’s neighbor Charlie, a high-spirited fellow who offers plenty of tips about the wrestling business (and a lot of other things as well).

But, at the same time, a dark presence lurks just beneath the surface, and Barton is completely oblivious about it. Then again, he’s oblivious about most things, including the simple fact that the film he’s struggling to write is becoming an intellectual snogfest that has little to do with the “common man”. He tries seeking consult with an alcoholic writer named W.P. Mayhew (John Mahoney), who is clearly intended to be William Faulkner, but as it turns out, most of Mayhew’s work was written by his secretary, a dame by the name of Audrey (Judy Davis). She offers her own services to Barton.

Barton Fink is such an enjoyable film to watch, because the Coens manage to find a way to be self-indulgent and get away with it. One of my problems with Miller’s Crossing was that the film didn’t manage to walk the tight rope between the serious and the absurd as well it should, but that’s not an issue here. Barton Fink is a film bursting with imagination, which is ironic, considering its central theme being about the lack of it. It is also, arguably, the first film where the Coen brothers’ jazz-like syncopated dialogue made its first entry, best seen in the scene where Barton meets the Hollywood executive Jack Lipnick (Michael Lerner), who talks so much he never stops long enough to think of something worthwhile to say. And then there’s Ben Geisler (Tony Shalhoub), who talks even more. The Coens would frequently go on to employ actors who have mastered the craft of talking really, really fast, but rarely did they choose as wisely as with Lerner and Shalhoub.

Everything is just so… perfect in Barton Fink. The art design of the hotel is so marvelously done you shouldn’t be surprised if you feel like just pausing the film and admiring its elegance. The actors find exactly the right notes to play, which is an admirable feat considering how absurd everything could have turned out in the hands of less talented actors. To choose standouts would be like choosing between your own children.

Coen films are usually shallow affairs, and are always more successful as films than carriers of ideas. I don’t mind that, but I also don’t mind that they broke that shallowness with Barton Fink. I am still not exactly sure what happens at the end of the film, but I usually find myself guessing the same boring thing: the flames represent hell, and Charlie is either the devil or an employee of him. But it’s not just the ending that has caused people to speculate. The most famous interpretation of the film sees it being read as an allegory for the rise of Nazism, with Barton Fink being the left-wing intellectual that think he has graced the concept of the “common man”, but is only a wall away from a monster who has a much better understanding of what the “common man” really is. That Barton is so blissfully unaware of the imminent dark events of his stay in L.A. says a lot about his ignorance, and a lot about the ignorance of the left-wing politicians in Germany during the 1930s.

First and foremost, though, Barton Fink is a film that is just as much enjoyed when it is watched as when it is mused over. It can also be seen as somewhat of a helpful guide to struggling writers, with the most important tip being: if you have writer’s block, write about it. It helped Fellini, who gave us 8 1/2, and it helped Charlie Kaufman, who gave us the brilliant Adaptation. And it gave us, as you can tell by this review, the very brilliant Barton Fink.

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RE: Dante's newer top 20 - 4/11/2009 3:18:47 PM   
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For some reason for the last few weeks I can not log into the Horror Basement....

So having read your outstanding reviews as always....two things....

Session9 rocks!!!!
Friday 13th.............................SACRILEGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
I am off back to work now

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RE: Dante's newer top 20 - 4/11/2009 3:27:37 PM   
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I actually think the first (or maybe the second) Friday the 13th is the worst. They get slightly better after, but only minimally. Tell me one reason they're good.

With Session 9, I think I explained my grudges with it fairly well. It is a promising film, but it doesn't have a climax worthy of the initial introduction.

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RE: Dante's newer top 20 - 4/11/2009 3:29:54 PM   
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Here's the list in full:
    01. Barton Fink (1991)
    02. The Insider (1999)
    03. Audition (1991)
    04. deUSYNLIGE (2008)
    05. Amarcord (1973)
    06. The Treasure of the Sierra Madre (1948)
    07. American Splendor (2003)
    08. Oldboy (2003)
    09. Changeling (2008)
    10. Martyrs (2008)
    11. Malcolm X (1992)
    12. My Little Eye (2002)
    13. Quiz Show (1994)
    14. Short Cuts (1993)
    15. Ghost Dog: The Way of the Samurai (1999)
    16. Das Boot (1981)
    17. Smala Sussie (2003)
    18. Fitzcarraldo (1982)
    19. The Straight Story (1999)
    20. The Breakfast Club (1985)


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RE: Dante's newer top 20 - 4/11/2009 3:40:04 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Dantes Inferno

I actually think the first (or maybe the second) Friday the 13th is the worst. They get slightly better after, but only minimally. Tell me one reason they're good.



Jason Goes To Hell is an abomination. Surely the worst of the series by some way. Part 2 at least has the guy in a wheelchair falling backwards down a flight of stairs with a machete through the skull. The one thing you can rely on in the Fridays is a good death designed to entertain rather than repulse.

Anyway, Barton Fink is excellent. I love the fact that, along with O Brother, the Coens have made two films which remind me of Sullivan's Travels (as Fink tries to make a Wallace Beery film with a message, instead of just entertaining people), and the performances are excellent, especially Turturro and Goodman. Great review too.


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RE: Dante's newer top 20 - 5/11/2009 12:23:21 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Dantes Inferno

I actually think the first (or maybe the second) Friday the 13th is the worst. They get slightly better after, but only minimally. Tell me one reason they're good.

With Session 9, I think I explained my grudges with it fairly well. It is a promising film, but it doesn't have a climax worthy of the initial introduction.


I know the new modern horror generation will laugh at what is on offer.  But in the 80's Jason, Michael and Freddy were to Horror what Arnie and Sly was to action.  One of my all time Fav horror films is Jason Lives, only because it was the first Jason film I had on VHS, and I cherished it.  As a horror fan, I know its not a great film, and it should never be compared to likes of Halloween and of course Audition.....but the film brings back so much memories that I adore it.  You can not argue with the Fan Base, and for 80 horror fans like myself, they were the in things and should never be dismissed by fans of the genre, who should realise the importance it played in the horror trend.....

As for Session 9,  yor review was fantastic which of course I come to expect from you, but I loved the fact the film left it open for the fan to think about what is going on.  It wasn't a dumb horror, and did not spell out what was happening.  There is huge fans out there and it very much is the underated horror of the last decade.  I even consider the building as a fantastic creation, and the most important character of the film.....

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RE: Dante's newer top 20 - 5/11/2009 5:43:50 AM   
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Not really that big a fan of Arnold and Sly.

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RE: Dante's newer top 20 - 6/11/2009 12:22:06 AM   
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What??????

Do you like Terminator?....Rocky? Rambo? Total Recall?.......despite their fall from grace, they have made films and characters that are in Cinema Legacy!

Besides, my point being, Jason and co were a huge hit in the eighties, and should be applauded and not laughed at for which I agree with by the way, the decline of their films quality!

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RE: Dante's newer top 20 - 6/11/2009 5:34:14 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: HughesRoss

What??????

Do you like Terminator?....Rocky? Rambo? Total Recall?.......despite their fall from grace, they have made films and characters that are in Cinema Legacy!


The Terminator is a good film. So are the three others you mention. But mostly, I stay away from action films. I like some, but not a big fan of the genre in generel.

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RE: Dante's newer top 20 - 7/11/2009 2:05:35 PM   
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Just to let you know.....I voted for Audition

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RE: Dante's newer top 20 - 7/11/2009 2:35:23 PM   
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Awww... thank you, my mentor! I doubt it has a high chance of winning, but there's nothing wrong in trying.

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RE: Dante's newer top 20 - 7/11/2009 2:44:17 PM   
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Barton Fink is fucking amazing - nice coice Dantes.
I'm trying to find deUSYNLIGE - no such luck unless i want a dirt expensive import i probs cant even pay cos my laptop iant yet multi-region

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RE: Dante's newer top 20 - 7/11/2009 2:45:38 PM   
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richCie - you don't need a multi-region drive in your laptop. VLC will play it whatever your drive is locked to.

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RE: Dante's newer top 20 - 7/11/2009 2:49:25 PM   
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There are other, less legal methods, though. Not that you heard that from me.

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