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RE: District 9 - The Fokken' Fan Thread - 24/9/2009 12:38:56 AM   
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Why? If he wasn't there, there would've been no lollipop scene! 

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RE: District 9 - The Fokken' Fan Thread - 24/9/2009 12:53:03 AM   
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Wait, the lollipop scene, you got a point.

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RE: District 9 - The Fokken' Fan Thread - 24/9/2009 7:39:14 AM   
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District 9 - the most depressing summer blockbuster ever made!! I saw this movie twice on Sunday as different peeps wanted to see it at different times but man oh man did it seriously depress me. What irked was it's desire to try and present itself as 'realistic' (documentary style, using unknowns) but then felt the need to cartoonish stereotypes as characters and comic book villainy, along with huge gaps of logic. MNU was completely ridiculous, i mean absolutely stupid. Their motivations and treatment of Wickus came straight out of a comic book.

Also, 20 years and there's no humans on board that ship when Christopher gets on to it? There would be huge colonies of human scientists living on board, babies would be born on there! I refuse to believe that the ship isnt swarming with humans. Also after 20 years you'd think we wouldve built a huge scaffold super structure around it by then for studying puposes and ease of getting on board for research. Oh yeah, i forgot, MNU is populated with idiots that's why. And their plan to rip Wickus apart to take advantage of his ability to use alien weaponry is hilarious!!! For 20 years they've been trying unsuccessfully to use this weaponry, then suddenly a human develops an alien arm so they decide the best thing is to dissect him and sell him to the highest bidder!!! LMAO!!!! Brilliant MNU!!! That's like trying to find out how to build a wall by smashing it with a hammer.

District 9 was a well made movie, but it's no smarter than every other dumb blockbuster out there and definitely not very original. As soon as the transformation started i thought of The Fly and that thought didnt go away. I also believe that The Fly hadnled that stuff much better, but that's just my opinion.

It also couldnt hurt if the movie showed a hint of positivity in humanity. All i can glean from Dsirtict 9 is that Neil Blomkamp must REALLY hate the human race.

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RE: District 9 - The Fokken' Fan Thread - 25/9/2009 8:55:17 AM   
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RE: District 9 - The Fokken' Fan Thread - 25/9/2009 10:21:00 AM   
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District 9 - the most depressing summer blockbuster ever made!! I saw this movie twice on Sunday as different peeps wanted to see it at different times but man oh man did it seriously depress me. What irked was it's desire to try and present itself as 'realistic' (documentary style, using unknowns) but then felt the need to cartoonish stereotypes as characters and comic book villainy, along with huge gaps of logic. MNU was completely ridiculous, i mean absolutely stupid. Their motivations and treatment of Wickus came straight out of a comic book.

Also, 20 years and there's no humans on board that ship when Christopher gets on to it? There would be huge colonies of human scientists living on board, babies would be born on there! I refuse to believe that the ship isnt swarming with humans. Also after 20 years you'd think we wouldve built a huge scaffold super structure around it by then for studying puposes and ease of getting on board for research. Oh yeah, i forgot, MNU is populated with idiots that's why. And their plan to rip Wickus apart to take advantage of his ability to use alien weaponry is hilarious!!! For 20 years they've been trying unsuccessfully to use this weaponry, then suddenly a human develops an alien arm so they decide the best thing is to dissect him and sell him to the highest bidder!!! LMAO!!!! Brilliant MNU!!! That's like trying to find out how to build a wall by smashing it with a hammer.

District 9 was a well made movie, but it's no smarter than every other dumb blockbuster out there and definitely not very original. As soon as the transformation started i thought of The Fly and that thought didnt go away. I also believe that The Fly hadnled that stuff much better, but that's just my opinion.

It also couldnt hurt if the movie showed a hint of positivity in humanity. All i can glean from Dsirtict 9 is that Neil Blomkamp must REALLY hate the human race.


I have to disagree about your comments that Blomkamp hates the human race. Throughout the movie we see characters, including Wilkus, who either change, or are sympathetic.

As to the MNU, they don't seen any worse than an real life organisation such as Blackwater.

I also feel that just because from time to time he used a documentary style, does not mean he was going for realism all the time.

What I don't get is that some of the all time classic sci-fi action movies have villains who are just as broad, if not broader, than what we see here. Also there is an evil father in law!

I've said it before, Blomkamp seems to have been a fan of the Verhoeven sci fi movie, and this film gives off a similar feel.

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RE: District 9 - The Fokken' Fan Thread - 25/9/2009 12:45:55 PM   
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District 9 - the most depressing summer blockbuster ever made!! I saw this movie twice on Sunday as different peeps wanted to see it at different times but man oh man did it seriously depress me. What irked was it's desire to try and present itself as 'realistic' (documentary style, using unknowns) but then felt the need to cartoonish stereotypes as characters and comic book villainy, along with huge gaps of logic. MNU was completely ridiculous, i mean absolutely stupid. Their motivations and treatment of Wickus came straight out of a comic book.

Also, 20 years and there's no humans on board that ship when Christopher gets on to it? There would be huge colonies of human scientists living on board, babies would be born on there! I refuse to believe that the ship isnt swarming with humans. Also after 20 years you'd think we wouldve built a huge scaffold super structure around it by then for studying puposes and ease of getting on board for research. Oh yeah, i forgot, MNU is populated with idiots that's why. And their plan to rip Wickus apart to take advantage of his ability to use alien weaponry is hilarious!!! For 20 years they've been trying unsuccessfully to use this weaponry, then suddenly a human develops an alien arm so they decide the best thing is to dissect him and sell him to the highest bidder!!! LMAO!!!! Brilliant MNU!!! That's like trying to find out how to build a wall by smashing it with a hammer.

District 9 was a well made movie, but it's no smarter than every other dumb blockbuster out there and definitely not very original. As soon as the transformation started i thought of The Fly and that thought didnt go away. I also believe that The Fly hadnled that stuff much better, but that's just my opinion.

It also couldnt hurt if the movie showed a hint of positivity in humanity. All i can glean from Dsirtict 9 is that Neil Blomkamp must REALLY hate the human race.


Well, can't say I agree with much of the above. The film does have several depressing moments, but it's ultimate message is anything but, granted, it might seem like all the humans want is to exploit and destroy, but also has it's central character evolving emphatically, emotionally. Whether or not his will to help the aliens is purely on account of his infection is up for interpretation, I choose to see it as if he wakes up and realizes what horrors are being inflicted with his knowledge and participation and decides to do something about it. But it's not a straight forward, classic arc of the hero who starts off a douchebag and then reluctantly becomes the hero of the day, Wickus still displays his unsympathetic streak almost at the end. Like where he can't help noticing all the 'illegal' stuff in Christopher's hideout, can't help commenting what a find it is. As for the rest of the characters, besides the aliens themselves, well the sad truth is that no matter how stereotypical they are, they exist in plentiful numbers. And the MNU's plan to cut Wikus into small pieces to sell off, which you find so ridiculous, would actually be the way to go, if reverse biological engineering was to be implemented, harvest the body, determine how the foreign dna manifests itself, and duplicate it. It would make zero sense to keep him alive. As for the alien ship and why humans haven't taken it into possesion, well the alien weaponry was impossible to utilize, that is probably so for the craft as well, forcefield, immensely strong armor, who knows. Anyway, it wasn't a problem for me, I was too captivated. And to equal District 9 with every other dumb blockbuster, as you put it, makes little sense to me. Compared to Transformers - Revenge of the Fallen or Terminator - Salvation, District 9 is like the combined brainchild of Bohr, Einstein and Hawking.

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RE: District 9 - The Fokken' Fan Thread - 25/9/2009 1:07:49 PM   
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Speaking of which, I reallt think the cutesy child alien should belong in a different film.


I think the inclusion of Christopher's child worked effectively, just one of the reasons I connected emotionally to the film.

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RE: District 9 - The Fokken' Fan Thread - 25/9/2009 1:13:35 PM   
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Speaking of which, I reallt think the cutesy child alien should belong in a different film.


I think the inclusion of Christopher's child worked effectively, just one of the reasons I connected emotionally to the film.


It also makes the "popcorn" comment even more terrible.

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RE: District 9 - The Fokken' Fan Thread - 25/9/2009 1:16:10 PM   
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Speaking of which, I reallt think the cutesy child alien should belong in a different film.


I think the inclusion of Christopher's child worked effectively, just one of the reasons I connected emotionally to the film.


It also makes the "popcorn" comment even more terrible.


It does, that moment is extremely unpleasant. Wickus enthusiasm is ghastly as well, he really is such a piece of shit in the beginning of the flick.

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RE: District 9 - The Fokken' Fan Thread - 25/9/2009 1:18:40 PM   
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Without the child Christopher would have been very hard to connect to. It gave him a cause. 

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RE: District 9 - The Fokken' Fan Thread - 25/9/2009 1:24:53 PM   
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Without the child Christopher would have been very hard to connect to. It gave him a cause. 


Absolutely, it certainly gave him a cause to complete his long undertaking, besides taking off and returning later to save the rest of his people (which he'll hopefully do in the sequel)

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RE: District 9 - The Fokken' Fan Thread - 25/9/2009 1:34:54 PM   
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Gorgeous effects work throughout the film.



And to quote RoboCop, "Check out that fucking gun!"





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RE: District 9 - The Fokken' Fan Thread - 25/9/2009 1:53:34 PM   
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Speaking of which, I reallt think the cutesy child alien should belong in a different film.


I think the inclusion of Christopher's child worked effectively, just one of the reasons I connected emotionally to the film.


I did find it quite funny that the kid talked like a lolcat in places "I finds it!"  "I makes it work!" "I can haz cheezburger?"*


*not actual movie quote


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RE: District 9 - The Fokken' Fan Thread - 25/9/2009 1:57:05 PM   
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Speaking of which, I reallt think the cutesy child alien should belong in a different film.


I think the inclusion of Christopher's child worked effectively, just one of the reasons I connected emotionally to the film.


I did find it quite funny that the kid talked like a lolcat in places "I finds it!"  "I makes it work!" "I can haz cheezburger?"*


*not actual movie quote



Like a little Gollum, but cuter. Anyway, I liked the simple dialogue for the child, even though he is clearly not simple.

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RE: District 9 - The Fokken' Fan Thread - 25/9/2009 3:09:44 PM   
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I liked the kid, he wasnt an annoying brat or needed to be rescued type, plus he could fly a ship. I'm in two minds about whether I'd like to see a sequel, you know they'll Hollywood it up and it'll lose a lot of the gritty feel this had. or turn it into an Independence Day type thing, if Jackson and Blomkamp where left to their own devices and came up with a natural way to continue the story on a bigger scale that'd be fine though, we'd have the aliens stranded in district 10 with no purpose and may a hope the ship is coming back, MNU is still hunting for Wikus, or whats left of him, maybe he becomes a leader type in District 10 after changing, but would he keep any of his human side? 

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RE: District 9 - The Fokken' Fan Thread - 25/9/2009 3:29:12 PM   
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I liked the kid, he wasnt an annoying brat or needed to be rescued type, plus he could fly a ship. I'm in two minds about whether I'd like to see a sequel, you know they'll Hollywood it up and it'll lose a lot of the gritty feel this had. or turn it into an Independence Day type thing, if Jackson and Blomkamp where left to their own devices and came up with a natural way to continue the story on a bigger scale that'd be fine though, we'd have the aliens stranded in district 10 with no purpose and may a hope the ship is coming back, MNU is still hunting for Wikus, or whats left of him, maybe he becomes a leader type in District 10 after changing, but would he keep any of his human side? 


It would certainly be preferable if Blomkamp, Copley and Jackson handled the sequel without money-laden studio honchos with combined I.Q's of 50 coming in and reducing it to some forgettable fluff. The 30 mill budget worked flawlessly for District 9, and even though more funds would probably be needed to make a sequel, there is no need for a 200 mill budget that would most likely erase the gritty feel you also mention, a major reason why the film is so good. As for your short idea for the sequel story, I like it.

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RE: District 9 - The Fokken' Fan Thread - 25/9/2009 3:39:24 PM   
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The child hardly was a big problem for me compared to tother things that annoyed me much more (didn't ruin the film though, just left me disappointed), and I'm gonna have to agree with what is said here.

EDIT: About the child that is.

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RE: District 9 - The Fokken' Fan Thread - 25/9/2009 3:51:46 PM   
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Freakin' loved it.  The one thing that is bugging me though is.  Chris.  Why was he so much more intelligent than the rest?  It sort of struck me that, when one of the talking heads said something like "we've got the workers here, no real leadership" that maybe Chris was a leader or a specialised type that had the foresight to keep himself quiet and unnoticed for 20 years.  Any theories?

Also, I'm a sucker for a scene with redemption or Hardening of Resolve, so I nearly shouted "hell yeah!" when we got the scene of the Mech feet walking away, coming to a stop, turning then running back.  Awesome.

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RE: District 9 - The Fokken' Fan Thread - 25/9/2009 4:02:30 PM   
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Freakin' loved it.  The one thing that is bugging me though is.  Chris.  Why was he so much more intelligent than the rest?  It sort of struck me that, when one of the talking heads said something like "we've got the workers here, no real leadership" that maybe Chris was a leader or a specialised type that had the foresight to keep himself quiet and unnoticed for 20 years.  Any theories?

Also, I'm a sucker for a scene with redemption or Hardening of Resolve, so I nearly shouted "hell yeah!" when we got the scene of the Mech feet walking away, coming to a stop, turning then running back.  Awesome.


It's hard to say whether or not Christopher is a leader of some sort, perhaps he just has more heart, more resolve. But the fact that he's spent so long planning it speaks for your theory. As for his intelligence, I think many of the aliens are much smarter than they let on, scattered around the district, but obviously there are lot of less than intelligent ones as well. Although them selling guns for catfood is stupid on the surface, if the guns don't work, who's stupid? Stupidity is not something the human race is unfamiliar with

As for the scene you mention, where Wickus turns around in the suit to kill the MNU bastards, I did shout FUCK YEAH in the theater


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RE: District 9 - The Fokken' Fan Thread - 25/9/2009 5:58:56 PM   
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Having watched his other shorts, Yellow and Third World Robocop, I say get this guy on Robocop immediatly!

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RE: District 9 - The Fokken' Fan Thread - 25/9/2009 6:11:55 PM   
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District 9 - the most depressing summer blockbuster ever made!! I saw this movie twice on Sunday as different peeps wanted to see it at different times but man oh man did it seriously depress me. What irked was it's desire to try and present itself as 'realistic' (documentary style, using unknowns) but then felt the need to cartoonish stereotypes as characters and comic book villainy, along with huge gaps of logic. MNU was completely ridiculous, i mean absolutely stupid. Their motivations and treatment of Wickus came straight out of a comic book.

Also, 20 years and there's no humans on board that ship when Christopher gets on to it? There would be huge colonies of human scientists living on board, babies would be born on there! I refuse to believe that the ship isnt swarming with humans. Also after 20 years you'd think we wouldve built a huge scaffold super structure around it by then for studying puposes and ease of getting on board for research. Oh yeah, i forgot, MNU is populated with idiots that's why. And their plan to rip Wickus apart to take advantage of his ability to use alien weaponry is hilarious!!! For 20 years they've been trying unsuccessfully to use this weaponry, then suddenly a human develops an alien arm so they decide the best thing is to dissect him and sell him to the highest bidder!!! LMAO!!!! Brilliant MNU!!! That's like trying to find out how to build a wall by smashing it with a hammer.

District 9 was a well made movie, but it's no smarter than every other dumb blockbuster out there and definitely not very original. As soon as the transformation started i thought of The Fly and that thought didnt go away. I also believe that The Fly hadnled that stuff much better, but that's just my opinion.

It also couldnt hurt if the movie showed a hint of positivity in humanity. All i can glean from Dsirtict 9 is that Neil Blomkamp must REALLY hate the human race.


Well, can't say I agree with much of the above. The film does have several depressing moments, but it's ultimate message is anything but, granted, it might seem like all the humans want is to exploit and destroy, but also has it's central character evolving emphatically, emotionally. Whether or not his will to help the aliens is purely on account of his infection is up for interpretation, I choose to see it as if he wakes up and realizes what horrors are being inflicted with his knowledge and participation and decides to do something about it. But it's not a straight forward, classic arc of the hero who starts off a douchebag and then reluctantly becomes the hero of the day, Wickus still displays his unsympathetic streak almost at the end. Like where he can't help noticing all the 'illegal' stuff in Christopher's hideout, can't help commenting what a find it is. As for the rest of the characters, besides the aliens themselves, well the sad truth is that no matter how stereotypical they are, they exist in plentiful numbers. And the MNU's plan to cut Wikus into small pieces to sell off, which you find so ridiculous, would actually be the way to go, if reverse biological engineering was to be implemented, harvest the body, determine how the foreign dna manifests itself, and duplicate it. It would make zero sense to keep him alive. As for the alien ship and why humans haven't taken it into possesion, well the alien weaponry was impossible to utilize, that is probably so for the craft as well, forcefield, immensely strong armor, who knows. Anyway, it wasn't a problem for me, I was too captivated. And to equal District 9 with every other dumb blockbuster, as you put it, makes little sense to me. Compared to Transformers - Revenge of the Fallen or Terminator - Salvation, District 9 is like the combined brainchild of Bohr, Einstein and Hawking.


well dont we see humans cutting their way into the ship at the beginning to find all the aliens there? So we know humans made it on board.

we'll agree to disagree on everything else.

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RE: District 9 - The Fokken' Fan Thread - 25/9/2009 6:16:21 PM   
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District 9 - the most depressing summer blockbuster ever made!! I saw this movie twice on Sunday as different peeps wanted to see it at different times but man oh man did it seriously depress me. What irked was it's desire to try and present itself as 'realistic' (documentary style, using unknowns) but then felt the need to cartoonish stereotypes as characters and comic book villainy, along with huge gaps of logic. MNU was completely ridiculous, i mean absolutely stupid. Their motivations and treatment of Wickus came straight out of a comic book.

Also, 20 years and there's no humans on board that ship when Christopher gets on to it? There would be huge colonies of human scientists living on board, babies would be born on there! I refuse to believe that the ship isnt swarming with humans. Also after 20 years you'd think we wouldve built a huge scaffold super structure around it by then for studying puposes and ease of getting on board for research. Oh yeah, i forgot, MNU is populated with idiots that's why. And their plan to rip Wickus apart to take advantage of his ability to use alien weaponry is hilarious!!! For 20 years they've been trying unsuccessfully to use this weaponry, then suddenly a human develops an alien arm so they decide the best thing is to dissect him and sell him to the highest bidder!!! LMAO!!!! Brilliant MNU!!! That's like trying to find out how to build a wall by smashing it with a hammer.

District 9 was a well made movie, but it's no smarter than every other dumb blockbuster out there and definitely not very original. As soon as the transformation started i thought of The Fly and that thought didnt go away. I also believe that The Fly hadnled that stuff much better, but that's just my opinion.

It also couldnt hurt if the movie showed a hint of positivity in humanity. All i can glean from Dsirtict 9 is that Neil Blomkamp must REALLY hate the human race.


I have to disagree about your comments that Blomkamp hates the human race. Throughout the movie we see characters, including Wilkus, who either change, or are sympathetic.

As to the MNU, they don't seen any worse than an real life organisation such as Blackwater.

I also feel that just because from time to time he used a documentary style, does not mean he was going for realism all the time.

What I don't get is that some of the all time classic sci-fi action movies have villains who are just as broad, if not broader, than what we see here. Also there is an evil father in law!

I've said it before, Blomkamp seems to have been a fan of the Verhoeven sci fi movie, and this film gives off a similar feel.


good point about Verhoeven, it does at times have that feel to it. My problem was tghat, say take Total Recall, i dont for one second think that movie is trying to be realistic, so i dont mind comic book style villains and elements, i expect it. I DO think that Dsirtict 9 is trying to be MUCH more realistic than something like Total recall though (again, just using that as an example as you mention Verhoeven and classic sci fi).

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RE: District 9 - The Fokken' Fan Thread - 25/9/2009 8:35:50 PM   
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actually i sounded really rude in my response to you Kazuya, you make many excellent points in your post!

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RE: District 9 - The Fokken' Fan Thread - 26/9/2009 9:11:39 AM   
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District 9 - the most depressing summer blockbuster ever made!! I saw this movie twice on Sunday as different peeps wanted to see it at different times but man oh man did it seriously depress me. What irked was it's desire to try and present itself as 'realistic' (documentary style, using unknowns) but then felt the need to cartoonish stereotypes as characters and comic book villainy, along with huge gaps of logic. MNU was completely ridiculous, i mean absolutely stupid. Their motivations and treatment of Wickus came straight out of a comic book.

Also, 20 years and there's no humans on board that ship when Christopher gets on to it? There would be huge colonies of human scientists living on board, babies would be born on there! I refuse to believe that the ship isnt swarming with humans. Also after 20 years you'd think we wouldve built a huge scaffold super structure around it by then for studying puposes and ease of getting on board for research. Oh yeah, i forgot, MNU is populated with idiots that's why. And their plan to rip Wickus apart to take advantage of his ability to use alien weaponry is hilarious!!! For 20 years they've been trying unsuccessfully to use this weaponry, then suddenly a human develops an alien arm so they decide the best thing is to dissect him and sell him to the highest bidder!!! LMAO!!!! Brilliant MNU!!! That's like trying to find out how to build a wall by smashing it with a hammer.

District 9 was a well made movie, but it's no smarter than every other dumb blockbuster out there and definitely not very original. As soon as the transformation started i thought of The Fly and that thought didnt go away. I also believe that The Fly hadnled that stuff much better, but that's just my opinion.

It also couldnt hurt if the movie showed a hint of positivity in humanity. All i can glean from Dsirtict 9 is that Neil Blomkamp must REALLY hate the human race.


Well, can't say I agree with much of the above. The film does have several depressing moments, but it's ultimate message is anything but, granted, it might seem like all the humans want is to exploit and destroy, but also has it's central character evolving emphatically, emotionally. Whether or not his will to help the aliens is purely on account of his infection is up for interpretation, I choose to see it as if he wakes up and realizes what horrors are being inflicted with his knowledge and participation and decides to do something about it. But it's not a straight forward, classic arc of the hero who starts off a douchebag and then reluctantly becomes the hero of the day, Wickus still displays his unsympathetic streak almost at the end. Like where he can't help noticing all the 'illegal' stuff in Christopher's hideout, can't help commenting what a find it is. As for the rest of the characters, besides the aliens themselves, well the sad truth is that no matter how stereotypical they are, they exist in plentiful numbers. And the MNU's plan to cut Wikus into small pieces to sell off, which you find so ridiculous, would actually be the way to go, if reverse biological engineering was to be implemented, harvest the body, determine how the foreign dna manifests itself, and duplicate it. It would make zero sense to keep him alive. As for the alien ship and why humans haven't taken it into possesion, well the alien weaponry was impossible to utilize, that is probably so for the craft as well, forcefield, immensely strong armor, who knows. Anyway, it wasn't a problem for me, I was too captivated. And to equal District 9 with every other dumb blockbuster, as you put it, makes little sense to me. Compared to Transformers - Revenge of the Fallen or Terminator - Salvation, District 9 is like the combined brainchild of Bohr, Einstein and Hawking.


well dont we see humans cutting their way into the ship at the beginning to find all the aliens there? So we know humans made it on board.



Oh, that's right, I'd forgotten about that. Well then they probably didn't take the craft or live in it because nothing could be used. Anyway, it wasn't a big problem for me.

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RE: District 9 - The Fokken' Fan Thread - 26/9/2009 9:12:17 AM   
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actually i sounded really rude in my response to you Kazuya, you make many excellent points in your post!


That's quite alright. And thanks

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RE: District 9 - The Fokken' Fan Thread - 26/9/2009 9:13:34 AM   
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Having watched his other shorts, Yellow and Third World Robocop, I say get this guy on Robocop immediatly!


I like it

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RE: District 9 - The Fokken' Fan Thread - 26/9/2009 9:42:48 AM   
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Blomkamp is definitely gonna be the go to guy for sci fi now. I really hope he does something different next though (i mean not district 10, but another movie)

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RE: District 9 - The Fokken' Fan Thread - 26/9/2009 10:53:01 AM   
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To be honest, I cannot see how it makes any sense to say that Blokamp hates the human race especially with that ending with the metallic flower sent by Wikus to his wife. Or D9 being depressing. Especially compared to Verhoeven to basically said that bugs were better to man.

And DONOVAN, I'm with you on the characters.

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I really wish I could go down to see Privates

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RE: District 9 - The Fokken' Fan Thread - 26/9/2009 11:15:04 AM   
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Speaking of which, I reallt think the cutesy child alien should belong in a different film.


I think the inclusion of Christopher's child worked effectively, just one of the reasons I connected emotionally to the film.


I love that little prawn.

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RE: District 9 - The Fokken' Fan Thread - 26/9/2009 11:20:34 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Kazuya

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Speaking of which, I reallt think the cutesy child alien should belong in a different film.


I think the inclusion of Christopher's child worked effectively, just one of the reasons I connected emotionally to the film.


I love that little prawn.


I didn't hate him, and he really is cute, it's just that he seemed to belong more in Bambi or Finding Nemo, or Wall-E, sopmething about his actions and movements.

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