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RE: 50 Greatest Sequels - 18/8/2009 10:55:36 PM   
Hywel

 

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Shout out to Hi Mom!, sequel to Greetings. Both d-ed by De Palma, starring De Niro.

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RE: 50 Greatest Sequels - 19/8/2009 12:34:51 AM   
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ORIGINAL: eldiabolik

Aliens, better than Godfather 2?



Aliens is a better sequel (and a film). But what the hell is Halloween III doing on the list???Oh and WHERE IS "THE ROAD WARRIOR"????


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RE: 50 Greatest Sequels - 19/8/2009 12:53:21 AM   
Big K

 

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Would Home Alone 2 not be classed in there at all? Or is this not classed as a sequel..

Just a thought..!

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RE: 50 Greatest Sequels - 19/8/2009 1:50:27 AM   
sadtwat

 

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Normally, I don't bother but you're trying to tell me that National Lampoon's Christmas-fucking-Vacation is a greater sequel than For a Few Dollars More?!

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RE: 50 Greatest Sequels - 19/8/2009 8:05:49 AM   
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No Big Momma's House 2????

What a shi** list!

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RE: 50 Greatest Sequels - 19/8/2009 8:15:26 AM   
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Well done grucl, though the angry faces might make people think you're serious.

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RE: 50 Greatest Sequels - 19/8/2009 8:28:13 AM   
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Heh, such is the problem with the internet in that people can take things wrong quite a bit of the time.

Anyhoo, Empire Strikes Back - third greatest movie of all time on the top 500 movies list, behind Raiders of the Lost Ark and Godfather, yet the 6th on the top 50 sequels list?

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RE: 50 Greatest Sequels - 19/8/2009 8:41:53 AM   
Lupin 3

 

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Mad Max 2, Drunken Master 2, A Better Tommorow 2 these omissions I could almost forgive.
But where is Bride of Frankenstein?
I mean seriously...

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RE: 50 Greatest Sequels - 19/8/2009 9:19:47 AM   
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I could add to the endless list of films that should be here (Mad Max 2, Two Towers, Home Alone 2 etc) but instead I have to question the inclusion of two Nightmare on Elmstreet sequels....TWO OF THEM. I went through the list from number 1 and up, so by the time I hit 'Wes Craven's New Nightmare' I was a bit shocked but then when 'Freddy 3 - Dream Warriors' popped up I had a bit of a fit. How the hell can these two films make this list? I'd have let one slide, people have different tastes etc, but two Freddy Kruger films is a joke, especially when the list omits 'Silence of the Lambs' and 'Bride of Frankenstein'.

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RE: 50 Greatest Sequels - 19/8/2009 9:25:28 AM   
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People keep saying Home Alone 2, but whilst I enjoy it very much, and it's just as good (I think) as the original, neither are 10/10 films, though many of the films on this list are not even 7/10 films, so their inclusion is odd.

Also, if anyone had bothered to read the explanation at the beginning, they'd see that as the Lord of the Rings were all planned from the start and are basically 3 chapters of 1 story, they are not included as sequels.

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RE: 50 Greatest Sequels - 19/8/2009 9:26:55 AM   
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Intresting list, can't understand why Ailens is up instead of The Dark Knight. That movie rocked, people. One thing, where was Tomb Raider 2? I loved that film, more action and a sexy co-star me like very much!

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RE: 50 Greatest Sequels - 19/8/2009 9:57:54 AM   
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Also, I just noticed on the Order of the Phoenix entry, the glaring error is wrong. They didn't make Hermione's boobs bigger. As she was 16-17, she was....more well developed than someone of 15, so they in fact made them smaller on the normal poster, and kept them the correct size for the Imax poster.

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RE: 50 Greatest Sequels - 19/8/2009 10:02:36 AM   
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Because a lot of people don't think TDK is the best thing since sliced bread?

Biggest shock for me was Hellboy II. Not only is it below dross like MI III but lots and lots of films that just aren't as good. I don't think it's to do with a relative goodness to the original - ie if the sequel is great but the original so-so it'd score higher, as Aliens is one. But it is kind of baffling. Jurassic Park 3 better?

So- you decided on a top 3 or so and the rest completely random placings?

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RE: 50 Greatest Sequels - 19/8/2009 10:19:24 AM   
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I like Aliens, but don't love it so wouldn't agree with it's position at number 1. Never understood all the love for Mad Max 2 so kind of glad it's not on the list. Someone has previously mentioned A Better Tomorrow 2 should be on the list? Aside from the final showdown it's not very good.

Would have given Hellboy 2 a higher position, it's a great film.

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RE: 50 Greatest Sequels - 19/8/2009 10:22:12 AM   
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Is it just me or was Silence of the Lambs missing?... 

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RE: 50 Greatest Sequels - 19/8/2009 10:26:23 AM   
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Silence Of The Lambs isn't a direct sequel to Manhunter, the only links really being Hannibal Lecktor/Lector and Jack Crawford, both of whom are bit part characters in the first.

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RE: 50 Greatest Sequels - 19/8/2009 10:49:00 AM   
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For me it has to be T2 as the number 1 sequel.

It the most successful sequel ever in terms of how long its been about and the fan base it still has, its Arnies best film, it confirmed James Cameron as one of the most exciting directors of modern film. Then theres the ground breaking effects, the catchy one liners, the fact the bad guy is made of liquid metal and the smoothest way of reloading a shotgun!

The plot, characters, sets are all there and its a film easily watched again and again!

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RE: 50 Greatest Sequels - 19/8/2009 11:07:57 AM   
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Bahhh.

I agree with T2 and Aliens being where they are, don't agree with Godfather 2.
And as for placing Harry Potter 5 above great films such as Hellboy 2 and Back to the Future 3... I shake my head in your general direction!!

In general, there are many of the best sequels there but wrong order for most of them I think!


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RE: 50 Greatest Sequels - 19/8/2009 11:09:57 AM   
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PS.
Nightmare on Elm Street - Dream Warriors???

The fact that it was included at all gives me reason to doubt Empire..


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RE: 50 Greatest Sequels - 19/8/2009 11:58:44 AM   
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What an excellent list, devoid of much of the usual Empire fanboy syndrome. Saying that, the ordering seems a little off. Supremacy higher Ultimatum? Temple of Doom higher than Last Crusade? And we all know Azkaban is superior to Order of the Phoenix! Kudos on missing out films that are "all of a piece" although I think some of your inclusions could arguably fall into this category. It's a good reminder that there are many good sequels out there amongst the poo of SpiderMan 3, Xmen-3, Shrek 3, Godfather 3 (relative to 1 & 2), Pirates 3 (2 was terrible too)...hang on I'm noticing a trend are all 3's rubbish?

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RE: 50 Greatest Sequels - 19/8/2009 12:04:51 PM   
K CellarDoor

 

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I'm sure people have already said but no Few Dollars More/The good, the bad and the ugly? WTF?!? Also Sanjuro is a shout. Better than Yojimbo

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RE: 50 Greatest Sequels - 19/8/2009 12:30:31 PM   
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Oh dear. I think Empire's perception of good journalism equates to them 'not going for the obvious choices' and therfore choosing the blatantly shit ones. Halloween 3? Halloween-fucking-3? And what is the deal with Empire shunning trilogy sequels or separate movie sequels (without any reasoning), as if they're any less important to carrying on a franchise or, for that matter, any easier to pull off? Empire completely fails to address the principals of what makes a good sequel as their logic is all over the place, which is disappointing seeing that Empire is usually sharper than this.

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RE: 50 Greatest Sequels - 19/8/2009 1:14:25 PM   
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Odd - didn't I see Back to the future trilogy sequels in there? Star Wars trilogy sequels? Perhaps you missed some of the entries when putting your disagreement down on peper?

LOTR eg is clearly different in terms of making, planning, and the actual story - it is essentially a single film. I think that is explained up front perfectly reasonably.

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RE: 50 Greatest Sequels - 19/8/2009 1:33:41 PM   
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Surely Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen deserves a mention?? Fuck the darker stories and artistic substances!! Now, here's a film with a REAL twisted plot, hahaha... oh dear...

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RE: 50 Greatest Sequels - 19/8/2009 1:55:16 PM   
craigrlee

 

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Can someone explain how in terms of greatest sequels we can have Back To The Future III and then Back To The Future II. Would the fact that III was better than I and II not cancel them out? Same goes for Harry Potter and Bourne.

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RE: 50 Greatest Sequels - 19/8/2009 2:06:23 PM   
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Is there anything I can say that won't invoke a response from eldiabolik... doubt it. To hell with caution, I shall speak my piece. Gobsmacked that Empire isn't number one, otherwise very happy with the list, Mad Max 2 is Australian and therefore inviable until the Ashes are regained

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RE: 50 Greatest Sequels - 19/8/2009 2:09:28 PM   
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Errrrr..... MAD MAX 2: THE ROAD WARRIOR.

Where is it? Eh?

Such a schoolboy error.

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RE: 50 Greatest Sequels - 19/8/2009 2:09:33 PM   
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They also forgot "A Shot in the Dark".

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RE: 50 Greatest Sequels - 19/8/2009 2:28:45 PM   
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I cant believe no one has mentioned Young Guns 2 or Rocky 4!

Yes, I was a child of the 80's!

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RE: 50 Greatest Sequels - 19/8/2009 2:40:30 PM   
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Actually, ste2858 very nearly makes a good point - where the hell is Rocky II? Eh? Eh?

Also, I realise that there are already two Star Wars films in the list, but surely Revenge of the Sith is worth a place. The Wrath of Khan proves that the film immediately preceding the sequel doesn't have to be any good!

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