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RE: The Martin Scorsese Thread - 20/9/2009 10:20:14 AM   
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Has anyone seen Last Temptaion of Christ and Kundun? Thought alongside Raging Bull they are some of Marty's most beautiful films. And the final 20 minutes of Kundun left a lump in my throat, and THOSE FINAL WORDS in THe Last temptaion of Christ cannot be described.

By the way, I actually think Last Temptation and Kundun are very interesting films, possibly the most in Marty's career.


Totally agree, both utter sublime.

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RE: The Martin Scorsese Thread - 20/9/2009 10:23:27 AM   
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RE: The Martin Scorsese Thread - 25/3/2010 6:04:47 PM   
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Been redirected to this thread (thanks elab! haha)

I'm currently doing a small research project on Martin Scorsese and decided to discuss how much success he's had as he's branched out from the crime/thriller genre into making more blockbuster movies and biopics such as The Aviator?

I'm concluding his success has been limited (what with comparing the crime of Goodfellas to New York, New York for example which seems like an unfair bout) but I'd like to get some other opinions on the matter.

Do you think Scorsese does his best work as a crime/thriller director or did you get as much of a buzz watching The Aviator, in all its cinematic glory, for example?

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RE: The Martin Scorsese Thread - 25/3/2010 9:29:24 PM   
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It depends really.  If you're talking about is crime dramas against his other films rather than old versus new, I'd argue he has accomplished just as much outside of that genre. I think Raging Bull might be his best film, for example. For me, Scorsese's brilliance lies in his abilities to capture the atmosphere of a moment as well as his skill at portraying completely rounded characters. His best work has an energy that I don't think can be compared to other filmmakers, and I think it can be found in films like Raging Bull, Shutter Island, No Direction Home and The King of Comedy. I don't think his genius is restricted to the gangster picture.

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RE: The Martin Scorsese Thread - 25/3/2010 9:33:40 PM   
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Thanks for the reply and I tend to agree.

I agree that Raging Bull might well be his best work but I find it hard to distinguish between them because I am a true fanatic of his work.

It is his ability to capture the moment and also the reality of a moment so as to relate to his audience so well.

I do tend to lean towards that being easier in a crime style film however, hence this debate. I may discredit the crime genre there but that's the feeling I get because you can usually detatch yourself from any true element of relation to films like Goodfellas (being so out of the ordinary in terms of lifestyle for a modern audience) and so you can toy with the realism and really capture the grittiness of the whole picture.

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RE: The Martin Scorsese Thread - 25/3/2010 9:47:42 PM  1 votes
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I would like to add that the tracking shot through the nightclub in Goodfellas is probably my favourite shot of all time.

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RE: The Martin Scorsese Thread - 4/4/2010 10:05:01 PM   
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Raging Bull is a beautiful film all round. Am i the only fan of Gangs Of New York? Yeah it's not perfect but i still enjoy it immensley.

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RE: The Martin Scorsese Thread - 5/4/2010 10:30:17 AM   
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Raging Bull is a beautiful film all round. Am i the only fan of Gangs Of New York? Yeah it's not perfect but i still enjoy it immensley.



I enjoy Gangs immensely, its not perfect but theres alot to admire. Beautiful sets, great set-pieces, fine music and one of the best performances in modern cinema by Day Lewis.


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RE: The Martin Scorsese Thread - 5/4/2010 10:43:24 AM   
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Raging Bull is a beautiful film all round. Am i the only fan of Gangs Of New York? Yeah it's not perfect but i still enjoy it immensley.



I enjoy Gangs immensely, its not perfect but theres alot to admire. Beautiful sets, great set-pieces, fine music and one of the best performances in modern cinema by Day Lewis.



Day Lewis is pretty awesome in it! I heard Liam Neeson got frustrated because DDL insisted on calling him Priest even when the camera's were off. He also listened to Eminem non stop to get into character.

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RE: The Martin Scorsese Thread - 5/4/2010 12:22:25 PM   
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As for Shutter Island I think it's his best film in quite sometime, I had a really good time and was gripped for most of it's slightly overlong running time. Plus Leo did live up to his billing delivering his most convicing performance since What's Eating Gilbert Grape. And people like Kingsly, Williams and Clarkson were excellent support.

Scorsese is overated as he has done his fair share of bad films [Cape Fear, Casino, GONY], but will always stand out as a important voice in film making, I also have a soft spot for King of Comedy, while Taxi Driver is one of my favorite ever film.

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RE: The Martin Scorsese Thread - 5/4/2010 7:26:20 PM   
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Is Casino considered a bad film amongst film fans? I loved it personally. Then again it's an occuring theme of me liking films no one else does.

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RE: The Martin Scorsese Thread - 7/4/2010 7:21:04 AM   
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Did I say he was overlooked? But people do still perfer spielberg because of the popcorn nature of his films.
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That's for sure, Spielberg's films are much easier for the general public to swallow.

In my opinion, Scorsese has proved himself to be one of the best filmmakers of all time. There have been a couple hiccups along the way, but when you look at his body of work you find not only film classics, but films that changed the medium. To me, he still doesn't get as much credit as he deserves.

1) Taxi Driver
2) Raging Bull
3) Goodfellas
4) The Departed
5) Mean Streets
6) Casino
7) The King of Comedy
8) The Aviator
9) Alice Doesn't Live Here Anymore
10) Cape Fear


Do yourself a favour and see Taxi Driver asap.

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RE: The Martin Scorsese Thread - 7/4/2010 4:21:42 PM   
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Mean Streets is another favorite of mine, Kertal's best ever performance! And no I don't like Casino it's way too long and baggy, and has about four endings.

My point about him is not that he's not a great filmmaker who should be hailed as such, it's just that there's this pretrouis image which he enconrouges that suggests he's never put a foot wrong, of couse he has, a bit like Taraentino, Mart does take himself a little too seriuosly.

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RE: The Martin Scorsese Thread - 7/4/2010 6:42:17 PM   
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As for Shutter Island I think it's his best film in quite sometime, I had a really good time and was gripped for most of it's slightly overlong running time. Plus Leo did live up to his billing delivering his most convicing performance since What's Eating Gilbert Grape. And people like Kingsly, Williams and Clarkson were excellent support.

Scorsese is overated as he has done his fair share of bad films [Cape Fear, Casino, GONY], but will always stand out as a important voice in film making, I also have a soft spot for King of Comedy, while Taxi Driver is one of my favorite ever film.


I think Shutter Island is his best for a while, i mean some lovely and startling imagery, its still lingering in my mind weeks after seeing it. But i do love Casino too much narration aside. Cape Fear is marvelous fun and GONY is powerful stuff, is just suffers from bad structural problems and awful supporting cast.

I see what you mean too with your later point about him being overly hailed. His films aren't always perfect, but i always admire the effort put in and the stylistic panache of them. Plus apart from a few of his very early films I honestly dont think he's made a bad film if not always a great one.
 



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RE: The Martin Scorsese Thread - 8/4/2010 2:06:02 AM   
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I was a big fan of Sutter Island also, a much looser film, with wonderful style and he got some great performances out of a nicely slected cast. It may well have been his best film since The Age of Innonce nearly twenty years ago.

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RE: The Martin Scorsese Thread - 21/4/2010 6:43:17 PM   
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Hear alot of people comparing Paul Thomas Anderon's flicks (Boogie nights mainly) to Scorcese. Anyone got a link or just some dirctors who influenced Scorcese?  Personally i think he obviously gets ripped off now and then but surely when he first started he nicked a few shots here and there too? Just how it's done in film!

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RE: The Martin Scorsese Thread - 21/4/2010 7:42:17 PM   
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Hear alot of people comparing Paul Thomas Anderon's flicks (Boogie nights mainly) to Scorcese. Anyone got a link or just some dirctors who influenced Scorcese?  Personally i think he obviously gets ripped off now and then but surely when he first started he nicked a few shots here and there too? Just how it's done in film!



were to start on directors who influenced Scorsese, probably every major director since the dawn of cinema has influenced Marty. Some are more obvious than others. Shutter Island has some great ones, the opening boat shot is Sansho the Bailiff for instance.


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RE: The Martin Scorsese Thread - 22/4/2010 7:54:48 PM   
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were to start on directors who influenced Scorsese, probably every major director since the dawn of cinema has influenced Marty. Some are more obvious than others. Shutter Island has some great ones, the opening boat shot is Sansho the Bailiff for instance.



Really enjoyed Shutter Island and a number of times during it I kept being remembered of the movies Marty talks about in 'A personal history of American movies', especially when it came to the plot, the style of the movie and of course the score.

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RE: The Martin Scorsese Thread - 18/6/2010 4:37:48 PM   
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Marty Scorsese is a GENIUS! I honestly don't think I could pick a favourite of his (Although I tend to watch Casino, Mean Streets and New York, New York a LOT!)

I don't usually admit to something like this because I am a girl, and immediately get labelled as a 'lesbian' because I like his 'man films'....So what, they're full of sexy gangsters I SO wouldn't kick out of bed

However, these uncultured mooks clearly don't know a thing or two about Scorsese's works, because New York, New York and The Age Of Innocence are far from being 'Man Films' and they're just as incredible

Hopefully I won't get judged on this board now that I've freely expressed my love for the man....

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RE: The Martin Scorsese Thread - 18/6/2010 4:42:18 PM   
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Marty Scorsese is a GENIUS! I honestly don't think I could pick a favourite of his (Although I tend to watch Casino, Mean Streets and New York, New York a LOT!)

I don't usually admit to something like this because I am a girl, and immediately get labelled as a 'lesbian' because I like his 'man films'....So what, they're full of sexy gangsters I SO wouldn't kick out of bed

However, these uncultured mooks clearly don't know a thing or two about Scorsese's works, because New York, New York and The Age Of Innocence are far from being 'Man Films' and they're just as incredible

Hopefully I won't get judged on this board now that I've freely expressed my love for the man....


Bold - what? Who labels you a lesbian for watching films? They're not targetted at men, they're targetted at film goers. Whoever calls you that is a moron.

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RE: The Martin Scorsese Thread - 18/6/2010 4:53:35 PM   
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Welcome to the world of immature 'film students' at college in Essex, my friend. They think what they say is Gospel and it cannot be any other way...Unfortunately, I'm one of the more open minded students who tends to 'break their mold' and they hate it.

It's not like I don't watch 'chick flicks' or whatever, my tastes in film genres is so broad compared to these pricks, but unfortunately I am a woman and should either be 'in the kitchen' or watching 'girl films'.

Lucky for me, I won't have to mix with these 'mooks' any more, as I've left college and I'm going on to study Drama/Theatre and Film at Reading University, somewhere nobody knows me and therefore won't be able to judge me this way

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RE: The Martin Scorsese Thread - 18/6/2010 6:49:43 PM   
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Marty Scorsese is a GENIUS! I honestly don't think I could pick a favourite of his (Although I tend to watch Casino, Mean Streets and New York, New York a LOT!)

I don't usually admit to something like this because I am a girl, and immediately get labelled as a 'lesbian' because I like his 'man films'....So what, they're full of sexy gangsters I SO wouldn't kick out of bed

However, these uncultured mooks clearly don't know a thing or two about Scorsese's works, because New York, New York and The Age Of Innocence are far from being 'Man Films' and they're just as incredible

Hopefully I won't get judged on this board now that I've freely expressed my love for the man....


Bold - what? Who labels you a lesbian for watching films? They're not targetted at men, they're targetted at film goers. Whoever calls you that is a moron.


He must be a lesbian too ! Get him !

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RE: The Martin Scorsese Thread - 18/6/2010 11:44:08 PM   
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I have just seen The Age of Innocence.

Reminded me what a varied, great and incredible filmmaker Scorsese is. Or at least was.


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RE: The Martin Scorsese Thread - 20/6/2010 3:50:14 PM   
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Yeah, I really enjoyed Shutter Island too. It's in no way "a classic", but is perhaps Scorsese's most ardent declaration of love for his cinematic influences and, as such, it is arguably, alongside Gangs of New York (which is a better film), his most interesting work since The Last Temptation of Christ.

From Goodfellas onwards, Scorsese's work has been consistently stylish and polished, yet they all lack the immediacy of his earlier films. And for all the gloss that the director has applied to his contempory offerings, not one of them possesses the beauty of Raging Bull. Nor do they come close to achieving the characterisation of Taxi Driver, the dark humour of The King of Comedy or the glorious vibrancy of his finest work; Mean Streets.

That is not to say that Scorsese has produced anything but quality in recent years, it's just that his post-1990 movies lack the free-wheeling invention and improvisation that littered his films of the 70's and 80's.

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RE: The Martin Scorsese Thread - 21/6/2010 11:01:05 PM   
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ORIGINAL: TheSpleen

Raging Bull is a beautiful film all round. Am i the only fan of Gangs Of New York? Yeah it's not perfect but i still enjoy it immensley.



I enjoy Gangs immensely, its not perfect but theres alot to admire. Beautiful sets, great set-pieces, fine music and one of the best performances in modern cinema by Day Lewis.


Agreed.
The scene where Day Lewis is sitting on his chair with the flag draped over him is Scorsese at his best(think Empire featured it ages ago).
Gangs is a great film,like a lot of great films,it is flawed,but a great attempt.

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RE: The Martin Scorsese Thread - 21/6/2010 11:08:00 PM   
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Is Casino considered a bad film amongst film fans? I loved it personally. Then again it's an occuring theme of me liking films no one else does.


Casino is excellent,who could not like this?And why?

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RE: The Martin Scorsese Thread - 21/6/2010 11:14:31 PM   
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I think Marty is the most consistant director out there,who would be on a par,with the same volume of work?
Kundun to Shutter Island?
Raging Bull to The Aviator
The Last Temptation Of Christ to The Departed?
The list of his work is sheer quality.
I would disagree to a point about his earlier work,"being better" as such-it's different,but i think Marty has evolved,and continues to evolve and explore different themes.He got the best out of De Niro and Di Caprio,which says a lot given the volume of work those two have gotten through.
I think he's got a liitle labelled with the gangster thing,as he's made some of the best gangster movies ever,but if you look at what he has done over the years,it is quite a diverse,character/story driven spread of movies each with its own special quality.


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RE: The Martin Scorsese Thread - 21/2/2011 2:40:39 PM   
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It's very hard for me to make a definitive list on my friend Marty films, he's such a great director (my favourite, which won't come as a surprise) and everything I've watched by him has been brilliantly (I'm still yet to watch Kundun, Bringing Out The Dead and After Hours.) If I had a gun to my head, let's say I do, and I was forced to make a top five, it'd have to be:

1) Taxi Driver
2) Mean Streets
3) Raging Bull
4) GoodFellas
5) The King of Comedy

I think The King of Comedy, along with maybe New York, New York is one of Marty's most overlooked films that have come out of his Hollywood productions (obviously not many people would have watched Who's That Knocking At My Door? and Boxcar Bertha, so I'm kind of disregarding them.)

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RE: The Martin Scorsese Thread - 29/12/2011 1:31:24 AM   
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You know, I'm tempted to say Casino is his best film. It's a bit controversial I know, because the likes of Goodfellas, Raging Bull, Taxi Driver, The Departed, Shutter Island (and more) are all brilliant, but when I watched Casino for the first time recently I really, really liked it. Admittedly, I haven't watched a few of his films for a while so I won't say anything in concrete until I do, but I know Casino is definitely up there.

I also love how articulate Scorsese is. He just has so much knowledge - and more importantly, passion - for film, that I could (and have) listen to him talk for hours on end. I'd recommend reading "Conversations With Scorsese" by Richard Schickel; a really interesting conversation with the man himself and all of his intimate thoughts about each of his movies. What a brilliant director.

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RE: The Martin Scorsese Thread - 29/12/2011 9:28:23 AM   
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I also love how articulate Scorsese is. He just has so much knowledge - and more importantly, passion - for film, that I could (and have) listen to him talk for hours on end. I'd recommend reading "Conversations With Scorsese" by Richard Schickel; a really interesting conversation with the man himself and all of his intimate thoughts about each of his movies. What a brilliant director.


I absolutely 100% agree with you there, his passion for film inspires me, it really does. There's a four hour documentary that he did about American cinema, I really do want to track it down someday, I've only seen segments on Youtube


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