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RE: The Formula One 2010 Thread - 27/7/2010 9:09:04 PM   
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Why is it 'brilliant politics'? - isn't this suppose to be F1 where engineering and skill are it's peak?  I wouldn't ban them I'd just knock off the points. No one would do it again if they knew it would mean wins/ race positions scrubbed.


Because it creates this exact conversation, if the sport didnt have the characters, the lifestyle, flamboyance and politics we'd might as well be watching some motor racing you find on Eurosport 2! Things that happen OFF of the track is just as entertaining on it for me.

Every fan needs a hero, needs a villian, you need someone to cheer and someone to despise. Everyone needs the brilliance and the damn right outrageousness to talk about. You need it. I need it. And without it, you wouldnt want to watch it at all.

That to me makes it thoroughly brilliant.

If it was just a boring 3 day event where everyone is chummy, where no one breaks the rules, where you have a gracious winner and an even more gracious loser - are you telling me, you'd watch this???

Points wont get knocked off as they will soon abolish the rule, and that ends this debate.


You're confusing exciting rivalries with cheating here.

And yes I would watch it, not everybody has such low expectations of sportsmanship as you seem to.


That to me isnt exciting - watching a fair share of Eurosport/Motor TV makes you realise that very quickly. Great technical feats, but as a spectator's sport for the everyman - utterly boring.

I'm just not surprised that it happens like some people. Been watching F1 for a Long time, so nothing really shocks me when people push the boundaries. Consider the thing with Renault - That was ridiculous! but did they get banned? No, because Renault are a supplier of engines to some other teams. Ferrari do the same and bring in the fans! Theres a high percentage of fans throughout the world who wear Ferrari Red when going to the event. Alot a money that Bernie/FIA/and other teams cannot do without.

So will they be banned? No.
Will they get docked points? Possible
Will they docked points if Alonso wins the Championship? HELL NO.
Will they get a stern telling off? Not likely.

All thats gonna happen is.................. Nothing.

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RE: The Formula One 2010 Thread - 28/7/2010 11:56:00 AM   
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Why is it 'brilliant politics'? - isn't this suppose to be F1 where engineering and skill are it's peak?  I wouldn't ban them I'd just knock off the points. No one would do it again if they knew it would mean wins/ race positions scrubbed.


Because it creates this exact conversation, if the sport didnt have the characters, the lifestyle, flamboyance and politics we'd might as well be watching some motor racing you find on Eurosport 2! Things that happen OFF of the track is just as entertaining on it for me.



This is a good point - one of the great things about F1 is how warped it can get with the politics, people crashing on purpose, characters like Max Mosley etc. etc.

The only problem I'd see with banning team orders like this is say it's a 1-2 for a team with the second placed driver needing to win to bag the championship, anyone in their right mind would tell the leader to back off.

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RE: The Formula One 2010 Thread - 28/7/2010 10:24:06 PM   
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Why is it 'brilliant politics'? - isn't this suppose to be F1 where engineering and skill are it's peak?  I wouldn't ban them I'd just knock off the points. No one would do it again if they knew it would mean wins/ race positions scrubbed.


Because it creates this exact conversation, if the sport didnt have the characters, the lifestyle, flamboyance and politics we'd might as well be watching some motor racing you find on Eurosport 2! Things that happen OFF of the track is just as entertaining on it for me.



This is a good point - one of the great things about F1 is how warped it can get with the politics, people crashing on purpose, characters like Max Mosley etc. etc.

The only problem I'd see with banning team orders like this is say it's a 1-2 for a team with the second placed driver needing to win to bag the championship, anyone in their right mind would tell the leader to back off.



Just say how you feel Fluke. Get it off your chest, seems like you're dying to say something. Seems like they're might be a hidden meaning in there..... somewhere?

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RE: The Formula One 2010 Thread - 29/7/2010 3:34:01 PM   
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I think they should just allow team orders... and maybe also annouce who their number 1 and 2 drivers really are! as if we didn't already know!

Still, it's been a good season so far imho. Alonso really is a classic pantomime villain... a horrible character with a face you just want to punch. Imagine his reaction if that had been Button letting Hamilton through.....

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RE: The Formula One 2010 Thread - 29/7/2010 4:46:50 PM   
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ORIGINAL: The Lensman


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ORIGINAL: Fluke Skywalker

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ORIGINAL: The Lensman


quote:

ORIGINAL: Fluke Skywalker

Why is it 'brilliant politics'? - isn't this suppose to be F1 where engineering and skill are it's peak?  I wouldn't ban them I'd just knock off the points. No one would do it again if they knew it would mean wins/ race positions scrubbed.


Because it creates this exact conversation, if the sport didnt have the characters, the lifestyle, flamboyance and politics we'd might as well be watching some motor racing you find on Eurosport 2! Things that happen OFF of the track is just as entertaining on it for me.



This is a good point - one of the great things about F1 is how warped it can get with the politics, people crashing on purpose, characters like Max Mosley etc. etc.

The only problem I'd see with banning team orders like this is say it's a 1-2 for a team with the second placed driver needing to win to bag the championship, anyone in their right mind would tell the leader to back off.



Just say how you feel Fluke. Get it off your chest, seems like you're dying to say something. Seems like they're might be a hidden meaning in there..... somewhere?


No I'm agreeing with you here  - the extra drama adds things, it's kinda like when fights break out in footy matches and tensions rise, some people get on their high horses but in my view it's all good and it adds to the fun and games as long as no one gets hurt.

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RE: The Formula One 2010 Thread - 8/9/2010 10:28:18 PM   
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ORIGINAL: The Lensman


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ORIGINAL: Harry Tuttle


quote:

ORIGINAL: The Lensman


quote:

ORIGINAL: Fluke Skywalker

Why is it 'brilliant politics'? - isn't this suppose to be F1 where engineering and skill are it's peak?  I wouldn't ban them I'd just knock off the points. No one would do it again if they knew it would mean wins/ race positions scrubbed.


Because it creates this exact conversation, if the sport didnt have the characters, the lifestyle, flamboyance and politics we'd might as well be watching some motor racing you find on Eurosport 2! Things that happen OFF of the track is just as entertaining on it for me.

Every fan needs a hero, needs a villian, you need someone to cheer and someone to despise. Everyone needs the brilliance and the damn right outrageousness to talk about. You need it. I need it. And without it, you wouldnt want to watch it at all.

That to me makes it thoroughly brilliant.

If it was just a boring 3 day event where everyone is chummy, where no one breaks the rules, where you have a gracious winner and an even more gracious loser - are you telling me, you'd watch this???

Points wont get knocked off as they will soon abolish the rule, and that ends this debate.


You're confusing exciting rivalries with cheating here.

And yes I would watch it, not everybody has such low expectations of sportsmanship as you seem to.


That to me isnt exciting - watching a fair share of Eurosport/Motor TV makes you realise that very quickly. Great technical feats, but as a spectator's sport for the everyman - utterly boring.

I'm just not surprised that it happens like some people. Been watching F1 for a Long time, so nothing really shocks me when people push the boundaries. Consider the thing with Renault - That was ridiculous! but did they get banned? No, because Renault are a supplier of engines to some other teams. Ferrari do the same and bring in the fans! Theres a high percentage of fans throughout the world who wear Ferrari Red when going to the event. Alot a money that Bernie/FIA/and other teams cannot do without.

So will they be banned? No.
Will they get docked points? Possible
Will they docked points if Alonso wins the Championship? HELL NO.
Will they get a stern telling off? Not likely.

All thats gonna happen is.................. Nothing.


What did I tell ya?

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RE: The Formula One 2010 Thread - 28/9/2010 10:25:04 PM   
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RE: The Formula One 2010 Thread - 29/9/2010 2:41:07 PM   
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RE: The Formula One 2010 Thread - 9/10/2010 10:52:04 AM   
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So I got up at 5am today to watch the qualifying. 

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RE: The Formula One 2010 Thread - 24/10/2010 11:33:46 AM   
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Holy shit, that was an excitiing Grand Prix!!
Won't spoil it for anyone who didn't get up early but make sure you watch the re-run at 2pm on BBC1.
Looks like we're heading for the best ever finish to a season I can remember.


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RE: The Formula One 2010 Thread - 8/11/2010 5:05:24 PM   
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anyone but Alonso... pleeeeese

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RE: The Formula One 2010 Thread - 14/11/2010 6:40:45 PM   
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hoooraaaaayy, it wasnt Alonso. Well done Vettel, good race and I loved seeing Alonso losing his rag at the end



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RE: The Formula One 2010 Thread - 10/12/2010 4:43:32 PM   
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New rules announced today for next year...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/9275796.stm

Team orders are back, unless it brings the sport into disrepute

Moveable Rear wings are in

Kers is back

In two years time engines will go from 2.4 litre V8s to 1.6litre four pots.

I can only hope that this will see more overtaking than last year.



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RE: The Formula One 2010 Thread - 27/1/2011 3:52:01 PM   
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We're nearly at that time of year when the new car designs are set to be revealed. The new Ferrari is due tomorrow morning, with Renault, Sauber and Lotus on 31st, and Red Bull, Mercedes and Toro Rosso on 1st February. Virgin to be unveiled 7th Feb.

Exciting stuff!

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RE: The Formula One 2010 Thread - 28/1/2011 10:03:59 AM   
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RE: The Formula One 2010 Thread - 31/1/2011 5:54:32 PM   
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RE: The Formula One 2010 Thread - 1/2/2011 11:45:54 AM   
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RE: The Formula One 2010 Thread - 4/2/2011 3:35:47 PM   
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RE: The Formula One 2010 Thread - 5/2/2011 6:53:34 AM   
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The front wings make it look like the cars are wearing pettycoats

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RE: The Formula One 2010 Thread - 7/2/2011 10:56:12 AM   
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Horrible news about Kubica. Apparently a crash barrier penetrated the car through the footwell and his right hand was partially severed. He's also got fractured to his right arm and leg. Hopefully he'll make a full recovery but his chances of racing this season are slim-to-none. You do have to question the wisdom of the Renault team allowing him to go rallying a little over a month before the new season starts. It'd be like a footballer going to play rugby during pre-season.

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RE: The Formula One 2010 Thread - 21/2/2011 4:31:56 PM   
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No Bahrain GP then

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RE: The Formula One 2010 Thread - 21/2/2011 5:34:55 PM   
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Best decision really. Sport must take a back seat to such events, no matter how glamorous and expensive a sport. On a personal level I'm also glad because I would have missed the race. I start basic training in the RAF on March 2nd and for three weeks we're not allowed to leave the base and have very little privileges.

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RE: The Formula One 2010 Thread - 24/3/2011 8:26:16 PM   
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I've been totally slack with the annual update of this thread. I'm not sure if it's just because I'm lazy or the fact that I'm not actually that excited this year for some reason....

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RE: The Formula One 2010 Thread - 26/3/2011 4:55:44 PM   
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So Vettel was eight tenths of a second faster than anyone else in qualifying - and he said he didn't even use KERS?!

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RE: The Formula One 2011 Thread - 9/4/2011 11:43:48 PM   
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I was sure McLaren was going to be on top today in qualifying - shows you what I know. Although Martin did say that to win starting from pole has been a tad difficult in the past. And the weather for tomorrow is thunder storms (or so they say) - will be an exciting race methinks.

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RE: The Formula One 2011 Thread - 10/4/2011 12:27:09 PM   
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F1.com lied again then - no thunder storms and only a spot of rain. Ah well.

Quite a good race - a lot of over-taking, some flying, but overall entertaining. I must say I much prefer Martin paired with DC for the commentary, I found Legard a tad annoying last season.

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RE: The Formula One 2011 Thread - 10/4/2011 12:48:26 PM   
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I'd enjoy it more if DC didn't begin every response with "well, indeed". Now you've noticed it, its going to haunt you

Was a good race. We saw the ups and downs of all the news regs in this race, I think. There was plenty of wheel-to-wheel battles, the Hamilton/Alonso, and Massa/Webber ones particularly awesome. On the other hand, due to the sheer number of pit stops it was a bit baffling as to what the net position was all the time - fair play to Martin Brundle who as always stayed on top of it. I would rather have that confusion than long stints and having spells where nothing is happening though, so largely it was a success.

Brilliant drives from Button and Heidfeld - the latter's charge up the field not only making up for his awful show in Oz but giving Vettel a massive boost. Speaking of Vettel, no-one seemed to pick up he was surely planting some misdirection with his team telling him not to use KERS, and then getting them to reititerate the message in case the World Feed didn't pick it up. I say that, because two laps later he was clearly pulling away from Lewis, who was too tempted to chase down the World Champion and destroyed his tyres. The difference between Jenson and Lewis was pretty clear in the end today, one was in a worse position but just looks after his tyres so much better. I think he could have a better season that Lewis in the long run.

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RE: The Formula One 2011 Thread - 10/4/2011 8:22:45 PM   
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I'd enjoy it more if DC didn't begin every response with "well, indeed". Now you've noticed it, its going to haunt you

Was a good race. We saw the ups and downs of all the news regs in this race, I think. There was plenty of wheel-to-wheel battles, the Hamilton/Alonso, and Massa/Webber ones particularly awesome. On the other hand, due to the sheer number of pit stops it was a bit baffling as to what the net position was all the time - fair play to Martin Brundle who as always stayed on top of it. I would rather have that confusion than long stints and having spells where nothing is happening though, so largely it was a success.

Brilliant drives from Button and Heidfeld - the latter's charge up the field not only making up for his awful show in Oz but giving Vettel a massive boost. Speaking of Vettel, no-one seemed to pick up he was surely planting some misdirection with his team telling him not to use KERS, and then getting them to reititerate the message in case the World Feed didn't pick it up. I say that, because two laps later he was clearly pulling away from Lewis, who was too tempted to chase down the World Champion and destroyed his tyres. The difference between Jenson and Lewis was pretty clear in the end today, one was in a worse position but just looks after his tyres so much better. I think he could have a better season that Lewis in the long run.


Now I come to think of it...

Some more news on the race - Hamilton and Alonso are penalised 20 seconds for their collision:~

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RE: The Formula One 2011 Thread - 17/4/2011 8:32:48 AM   
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Exciting start to the race. First time this season Vettel hasn't led the entire race. But how the hell did Button fuck up like that?

What happened to Hulkenburg? I thought him and Petrov both showed a lot of promise last year.

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RE: The Formula One 2011 Thread - 17/4/2011 11:13:50 AM   
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Incredible race really, just no idea right up to the end who was going to be filling the podium, and two good strategies going head to head, really what F1 should be all about - along with the crazy amount of overtaking and wheeltowheel driving. God bless Pirelli.

Brilliant drive from Lewis, who was half a minute away from starting at the end of the pit-lane, but kept his head, and even when Jenson sailed into the lead at the begining, he fought tooth and nail to keep up with him all the way. Speaking of JB, driving into the Red Bull garage was one of the craziest things I've seen in awhile. It seemed to rattle him, and he seemed off the pace after that. We saw the opositte of a week ago where his calm paid off, today Lewis fierceness is what made the difference. A big shout out to Webber, who had a bad quali, bad weekend, bad start, but still made it up to the podium due to the tyres. What that means for the future? Could see more winners from further back, quali will be less important, tyres are key.

Oh and Felipe Massa, i hope it really kickstarts him, how far ahead of Fernando he was all afternoon. His confidence has been so badly knocked since he had to allow FA past last year, its easy to forget how good he used to be.

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