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RE: Sherlock - 1/8/2010 10:50:12 PM   
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I didn't enjoy this episode as much the first one. It is difficult to define why but I think it is because there was more focus on Sherlock and I am not really finding that character as interesting as the Watson character.


It's actually a very straight version of the character, but in all honesty I think BC is the best Holmes since Brett so I'm captivated.

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RE: Sherlock - 1/8/2010 11:18:38 PM   
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The first one one was very sharply written - one of the best pieces of popular BBC drama in ages. The second one was like a drawn-out episode of Jonathan Creek. It was watchable though, and we can hope for a return to form next week.

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RE: Sherlock - 1/8/2010 11:19:20 PM   
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I thought it was more Watson focused actually! Yeah, didn't enjoy this one as much as the first episode, but it was still good telly.

EDIT: Bit miffed Rupert Graves wasn't in tonight's episode, I missed him.

I think you've hit the nail on the head JessFranco. (Though I do love me some Creek )


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RE: Sherlock - 1/8/2010 11:20:04 PM   
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I didn't enjoy this episode as much the first one. It is difficult to define why but I think it is because there was more focus on Sherlock and I am not really finding that character as interesting as the Watson character.


Really glad other people thought this, i wasn't sure bout Sherlock's character in the 1st episode but decided not to say anything cause it was only the first episode but after watching the second I've come to the conclusion that Cumberbatch is playing Holmes far too serious, reading the stories I always understood Holmes to be quite a jovial character who not only loves his work but enjoys it also and while I understand this series is dealing with his more serious stories I still think Cumberbatch could be having a little bit more fun with it instead of just playing it straight

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RE: Sherlock - 2/8/2010 9:33:17 AM   
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I was able to enjoy this episode more so than last week’s.  While the first one was top notch the “getting to know you” aspect of new TV left it a more judicious appreciation than an entertainment.  Anyway, I definitely warmed to it last night and it felt like a proper adventure.  Possibly more breezy than the last, I don’t know if the action-oriented element offends the purists but it chimed with the spirit of the Rathbone yarns which is more my experience of Holmes (for better or worse) than any other adaps.

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RE: Sherlock - 2/8/2010 9:35:49 AM   
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I still enjoyed the second epi very much, but I don't think the writing or story were as bold as the first epi - the story was more an obvious reworking of original plots. Very competently done, but without much of the brio of the opener. But still great.

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RE: Sherlock - 2/8/2010 12:28:14 PM   
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I agree - last week's was a work of genius, so I guess the dip this week was inevitable.

It just didn't feel as tight or as pacey , despite having a cheeky opening sequence with Watson and Holmes. Plus the Moriarty stuff felt very tacked on. And it took Holmes far too long to figure out that someone else was in the flat with him - hello, that rug was still wet!

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RE: Sherlock - 2/8/2010 4:13:15 PM   
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Another really enjoyable episode.  OK, so maybe it wasn't as fresh as last week's one, but then again unlike the opening episode we had a better idea what to expect this time.  Personally, I enjoyed it just as much as the series opener, though I was waiting throughout for a reveal that the cop was a member of the Black Lotus!

As for Holmes being portrayed as "too serious", I don't think this is the case at all.  Last week you had him outing the affair between the police sergeant and the CSI guy with "she must have polished the floor by the look of her knees", this week there were several whimsical moments (the surreptitious disposal of the assassin's sword, the "I asked your secretary" response to how he worked out the banker's travel arrangements...)  Personally, I think Cumberbatch is playing Holmes as a "high functioning sociopath" that just happens to know how to use that status to get his jollies by messing with peoples heads.

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RE: Sherlock - 2/8/2010 6:59:17 PM   
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Like others I thought this episode was lacking in pace, especially in the middle and it wasn't half as tidy as last week's, but the strong concept, style and cast were able maintain the quality enough that I'm not dwelling on it. Cumberbatch is quite excellent in the role, enough dry humour to keep certain aspects light (the head bobbing about the desks in the bank for example), while you still get a hint at the tortured genius beneath, with his socially awkward moments and air of superiority.

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RE: Sherlock - 8/8/2010 10:30:17 PM   
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bastards!

how can they leave it on a cliff hanger!

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RE: Sherlock - 8/8/2010 10:33:59 PM   
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Well that was rather fun.

I liked Jim - hopefully he sticks around.

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RE: Sherlock - 8/8/2010 10:34:57 PM   
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bastards!

how can they leave it on a cliff hanger!



Just like that

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RE: Sherlock - 8/8/2010 10:35:02 PM   
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I thought the ending was very well done, if a little frustrating!  The use of the multiple laser sights to suddenly show that it was much more than 2 against 1 was a nice touch, as was the slight moment of doubt as to who you-know-who was.

All in all, more good telly from the Beeb, hopefully it won't be too long before it starts up again as these three episodes - despite their length - have served pretty well as a setup for Sherlock's world.

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RE: Sherlock - 8/8/2010 10:36:42 PM   
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SOme moment of genius in there although, as is common with Gatiss, an occasionally tendency to clever-clever. Still fantastic fun, even if the Vermeer wasn't remotely a Vermeer. Not happy with the very end, as it seems a bit of a cheap trick, but I'm also very pleased with myself for spotting Moriarty the moment he turned up. I think I liked his performance but I'm surprised that was Gatiss, as a lot of the final stuff in the baths reminded me a lot of Jekyll, even if it did include the original Moriarty/Sherlock quotes.

All in all a brilliant series. I'd just like Moffat to write more of it next time as his episode was still, for me, the absolute stand out.

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RE: Sherlock - 8/8/2010 10:37:40 PM   
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Bit disappointed with the Moriarty reveal. He reminded me of Grahame Norton (cue obligatory "Norton's all over the BBC joke"). I do like the show in general tho. The first episode was spectacular, and this episode showed moments of that greatness too. I really wasn't a fan of lasts weeks episode tho. I loved the cliffhanger too! Roll on Xmas.


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RE: Sherlock - 8/8/2010 10:40:51 PM   
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Epic fail on the Moriarty casting but good scripting from Gatiss (surprisingly).

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RE: Sherlock - 8/8/2010 10:43:43 PM   
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Actually, I suppose it isn't really a cliffhanger. Sherlock did 'die' when he met Moriarty by water. In keeping with the original again

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RE: Sherlock - 8/8/2010 10:44:15 PM   
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Epic fail on the Moriarty casting but good scripting from Gatiss (surprisingly).


I liked him! There are expectations with that character which I think they subverted. Although he did remind me a little bit of John Simm as the Master.

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RE: Sherlock - 8/8/2010 10:46:19 PM   
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Ditto Rgirvan - it was going to be someone virtually no-one had heard of to match the anonymity. And I thought his moments of quite frightening turns of anger were very very well done. But like I said - I saw Jekyll rather than The master.

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RE: Sherlock - 8/8/2010 10:47:03 PM   
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Epic fail on the Moriarty casting but good scripting from Gatiss (surprisingly).


I liked him! There are expectations with that character which I think they subverted. Although he did remind me a little bit of John Simm as the Master.


Conceptually sound, yes, but that actor was shocking.

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RE: Sherlock - 8/8/2010 10:47:51 PM   
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Really good episode, kept my attention throughout. But wasn't massively keen on Moriarty. I always imagine a more sophisticated criminal mastermind, someone calm and calculating rather than in your face crazy. I'd have thought he'd be more subtle.

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RE: Sherlock - 8/8/2010 10:49:24 PM   
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Really good episode, kept my attention throughout. But wasn't massively keen on Moriarty. I always imagine a more sophisticated criminal mastermind, someone calm and calculating rather than in your face crazy. I'd have thought he'd be more subtle.


Problem is, you already had that in episode one and Mycroft. You couldn't have another character who acted in that way.

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RE: Sherlock - 8/8/2010 10:52:33 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Dirty Hartigan

Epic fail on the Moriarty casting but good scripting from Gatiss (surprisingly).


I liked him! There are expectations with that character which I think they subverted. Although he did remind me a little bit of John Simm as the Master.


Conceptually sound, yes, but that actor was shocking.



Nothing wrong with the acting - its the interpretation that you don't like.

I'm actually wondering if it really is Moriarty, because 'Jim' just isn't consistent with the 'Moriarty' character staying so hidden. I'm wondering if it's a bit of a bluff.

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RE: Sherlock - 8/8/2010 11:01:13 PM   
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Really good episode, kept my attention throughout. But wasn't massively keen on Moriarty. I always imagine a more sophisticated criminal mastermind, someone calm and calculating rather than in your face crazy. I'd have thought he'd be more subtle.


Problem is, you already had that in episode one and Mycroft. You couldn't have another character who acted in that way.


Not really. Mycroft is no mastermind, not really that smooth, a foppish refined English gent yes, but almost slipping into caricature. I never had him pegged as the baddie to begin with as he never struck me as truly menacing. Moriarty needn't have been any of the former, but should definitely have been the latter. However I would have preferred simmering genius rather than the Arkham escape type.

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RE: Sherlock - 8/8/2010 11:03:07 PM   
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Bit undecided on Moriarty, would need to see more of him in the role.

The very opening scene when Sherlock is in sillouette, could have sworn that was Alan Rickman's voice and wondered how the hell they kept him playing Moriarty a secret, so a bit disappointing that it wasn't him, and for me being a dumbass

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RE: Sherlock - 8/8/2010 11:15:30 PM   
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I'm undecided with Moriarty too. He was a bit too unhinged to seem totally menacing, but I'd like to see him a bit more before making a judgement.  Really great episode overall though, a tad annoyed they ended it like that though! *shakes fist* 

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RE: Sherlock - 8/8/2010 11:30:43 PM   
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Bit undecided on Moriarty, would need to see more of him in the role.

The very opening scene when Sherlock is in sillouette, could have sworn that was Alan Rickman's voice and wondered how the hell they kept him playing Moriarty a secret, so a bit disappointing that it wasn't him, and for me being a dumbass


I thought he sounded an awful lot like Rickman as well.

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RE: Sherlock - 8/8/2010 11:31:21 PM   
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is anyone else as utterly frustrated by the iplayer as i am? still, really enjoying this. Benedict Cumberbatch's performance feels like a genuinely new take on the character, which is wonderful. i think it's that he's a bit more of a sadist than previous screen incarnations.

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RE: Sherlock - 8/8/2010 11:33:45 PM   
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Graham Norton is actually trending on Twitter over the comparisons between him and the guy who played Moriarty. In spite of my own feelings (I agree with the comparison), I really hope that this doesn't overshadows a great show, and great finale.

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RE: Sherlock - 8/8/2010 11:40:24 PM   
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I've seen the actor in a couple of things recently so I didn't really see any resemblance tbh. I'm trying to work out who he does remind me of - I spent most of Dead Bodies (awful film) doing the same thing.

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