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RE: Sherlock - 23/7/2010 9:37:04 AM   
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I will be watching this. I loved the BBC's adaptation of Casanova, starring the future Dr Who David Tennant and also their recent series about the pre-Raphaelites, whose name escapes me. In fact, I think I missed the final episode of that too. Is it available on DVD?

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RE: Sherlock - 23/7/2010 10:04:41 AM   
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I wouldn't really put it in the same category of writing quality, but Desperate Romantics does have a DVD release. Looks like it's had a recent price reduction as well.

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RE: Sherlock - 23/7/2010 4:09:22 PM   
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I saw them filming a scene for this a while ago. They had a part of Newport redressed to double for Chinatown.
In between takes, people managed to get autographs and photographs taken with Martin Freeman. Nobody bothered the other guy playing Sherlock. LOL

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RE: Sherlock - 23/7/2010 6:30:25 PM   
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My guess would be that it would be far more costly to set it in the Victorian era and perhaps it was easier to get it commissioned if set in modern times.


The BBC have done period adaptations of Holmes relatively recently as well - I'd say giving it a new spin is more of a factor for them than cost.



Everyone probably remembers how mundane their adaptation of Hound of the Baskervilles was a few years ago.

Somehow Guy Richie's Holmes felt modern, while being set in Victorian times, so this could work. The problem will be if they are using new stories rather than the old Holmes stories. You could imagine updating most of the stories and them still working. Okay there might not be so many impressive mutton chops and beards in the League of the Red Headed gentlemen right now, but it could still work.

I'll not get my hopes up though. The quintessential Holmes for me is one who gets in a horse-drawn cab and raps on the roof with his stick to give the driver instructions. Hopping in the back of a mini-cab and having some guy put in an address in his TomTom just doesn't seem the same.

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RE: Sherlock - 23/7/2010 9:13:36 PM   
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My guess would be that it would be far more costly to set it in the Victorian era and perhaps it was easier to get it commissioned if set in modern times.


The BBC have done period adaptations of Holmes relatively recently as well - I'd say giving it a new spin is more of a factor for them than cost.

You're probably right, I was thinking earlier that perhaps Mark was maybe saving the period setting for an adaptation of his Lucifer Box novels - I know the BBC were thinking of adapting it a few years ago.


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RE: Sherlock - 24/7/2010 3:50:27 AM   
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A couple of tie-in websites for the series have appeared:

Sherlock's The Science of Deduction:

http://www.thescienceofdeduction.co.uk/

John's Blog:
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RE: Sherlock - 25/7/2010 10:46:23 PM   
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So who else watched this?

I thought it was bloody brilliant, myself. The modern feel really really worked, the clues were all there (in retrospect), and it was a good intro to Holmes as a character.

I'm really looking forward to more!

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RE: Sherlock - 25/7/2010 10:50:55 PM   
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Brilliant. Thoroughly enjoyed it. The 3 main characters very well drawn and a strong first story that felt a lot more Moffat than Gatiss.

Only negative - the woman playing the sergeant is a weak actress. The dialogue is fine - but she's quite poor.

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RE: Sherlock - 25/7/2010 10:54:12 PM   
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Anybody watch this tonight then? I thoroughly enjoyed it. It was really pacy, had plenty of humour and it managed to maintain the gothic air of old London despite the modern setting. Benedict Cumberbatch was pretty much perfect in the lead role, Freeman made a great foil as Watson and it was fantastic to see the great Phil Davis on the screen too.

Great little twist at the end as well. I'll definitely be watching again next week.

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RE: Sherlock - 25/7/2010 11:00:18 PM   
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Cumberbatch reminded me of Matt Smith.

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RE: Sherlock - 25/7/2010 11:00:38 PM   
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Very enjoyable start. Cumberbatch was full of energy as Holmes and clearly enjoyed being the smartest guy in the room with a nice streak of darkness(although he maybe seemed a bit Who like at times probably Moffat's influence). Freeman was decent value as Watson as well. He brought a nice bit of coldness in his reaction to having shot the bad guy. Nice bit of misdirection with Mark Gatiss, they were definitely going for a Moriarty vibe there. Lokking forward to next week.




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RE: Sherlock - 25/7/2010 11:04:47 PM   
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Thought it was brilliant, Cumberbatch was great but was even more impressed by Martin Freeman, who'd have thought he'd be so good playing a 'tough' guy.

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RE: Sherlock - 25/7/2010 11:22:01 PM   
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When I realised it was Gatiss on the phone I was rather worried what part he'd written himself into - I don't think he's got enough acting power behind him. But he wasn't at all bad - and I too loved the fact you ended the scene not sure whether you'd met Moriarty or Mycroft. I did think of the latter though - having just watched Charles Kay in another show today, I did think he'd be perfect for that kind of role. And as it turned out, modern Mycroft is actually a 'Pendleton'.

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RE: Sherlock - 26/7/2010 3:23:21 AM   
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Absolutely loved this. Cumberbatch is superb in the lead and the updating of the character was excellent. I loved all the nods to the original story and to the canon in general (Watson's migrating war-wound was dealt with adroitly). Thought it was a bit obvious who Gatiss was playing once he showed up in person - but the little meetup at the end was very amusing. Hoping the other two writers can live up to the standard Moffat lays down here, and that they one day have the nerve to leave the character on The Final Problem.

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RE: Sherlock - 26/7/2010 9:27:18 AM   
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I really enjoyed it. I thought Cumberbatch was excellent as Holmes and I love the whole 'text clues' on screen showing how his mind works.

Can't wait for the next one.


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RE: Sherlock - 26/7/2010 9:31:59 AM   
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(although he maybe seemed a bit Who like at times probably Moffat's influence).



I think it's kind of the other way round. A lot of people think the character of Dr Who isn't a million miles from Sherlock Holmes generally, and Moffat has made the specific connection himself too.

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RE: Sherlock - 26/7/2010 9:34:17 AM   
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That was great. Really good Sunday evening TV. Smart, funny, thrilling and exciting. Looking forward to next weeks episode...

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RE: Sherlock - 26/7/2010 11:33:07 AM   
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Seen the trail before Top Gear and decided to give this a watch. Glad I did! Thought it was pretty awesome and can't wait for the next 2 episodes.

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RE: Sherlock - 26/7/2010 12:07:06 PM   
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Really enjoyed this, two leads were excellent and I was pleasantly suprised how well it worked in a modern day setting.

Have to argree with this though...


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Only negative - the woman playing the sergeant is a weak actress. The dialogue is fine - but she's quite poor.


Very wooden, very poor line delivery. Hopefully she'll improve or be phased out.


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RE: Sherlock - 26/7/2010 12:20:42 PM   
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Really enjoyed this, two leads were excellent and I was pleasantly suprised how well it worked in a modern day setting.

Have to argree with this though...


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Only negative - the woman playing the sergeant is a weak actress. The dialogue is fine - but she's quite poor.


Very wooden, very poor line delivery. Hopefully she'll improve or be phased out.


Agreed, she was a bit rubbish which was a shame because everyone else was superb. 

Really loved it, fantastic bit of telly.  Nice see Rupert Graves too. Can't wait for next week's episode.


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RE: Sherlock - 26/7/2010 12:23:19 PM   
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It managed to be far more entertaining than the Guy Ritchie film.  Great stuff, can't wait for the next one - although will there be an obvious dip in quality with different writers and directors?

As well as the dodgy policewoman acting my only other (minor) quibble was the inclusion in almost every scene of a red postbox or phonebox - no doubt to sell overseas as quaintly British or something weird like that.

When can we expect the Daily Mail to do an article on the BBCs hatred of the honest-to-goodness-salt-of-the-earth-cabbie after this and a recent episode of Luther?

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RE: Sherlock - 26/7/2010 12:25:28 PM   
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I was really surprised by this. Enjoyed the contmeporary setting, and thought Benedict Cumberbatch was a great choice for Holmes. Martin Freeman was also very good as Watson, and the extended cameo by Phil Davis was superb.

Loved the various clues and texts that appeared throughout, that was a brilliant idea. I hadn't thought about Mycroft as I spent the whole time assuming Mark Gatiss was playing Moriarty. I wonder if Sherlock's arch-enemy will make an appearance?

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RE: Sherlock - 26/7/2010 12:56:01 PM   
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It managed to be far more entertaining than the Guy Ritchie film.  Great stuff, can't wait for the next one - although will there be an obvious dip in quality with different writers and directors?



Well Euros Lynn is pretty reliable on Dr Who (and certainly Children of Earth) and Paul McGuigan is back directing the 3rd.

Writers? I find it odd that someone with apparently no other credits has been trusted with an episode - and I'm not a great fan of Gatiss's work on things like Dr Who, so a wait and hope on those.

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RE: Sherlock - 26/7/2010 1:47:55 PM   
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Not a Dr Who watcher myself so can't comment on Gatiss' writing for that, but if Lucifer Box (clearly influenced by Holmes) is anything to go by, he'll pull it off.  

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RE: Sherlock - 26/7/2010 1:52:18 PM   
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Yeah, I liked this.  I liked that he was decribed as a heightened sociopath.  I liked the piquant notion that if there were no murders he’d probably be committing them out of boredom.  The idea that there’s a sinister league, and I liked the idea of sponsorship.  I also grinned at a line-lift from the last Doctor Who series “Oh, this is Christmas!”

I'm ambivalent whether the modern setting is its crowning jewel or if it represents a missed opportunity to do a really atmospheric period number.  I rue the possibility that they will get invited to a seance via text for instance.
My only real gripe is the fact that they couldn’t just call him Holmes.  Everytime someone said “Sherlock” it sounded like “’ello ducky”.  Cringeworthy. 

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RE: Sherlock - 26/7/2010 2:11:34 PM   
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I kept noticing the forename - I think it comes with the update, sadly.

I agree with Harry's post above though - there was a real old-fashioned feel to the locations used. Building with gothic architecture and staircases, the narrow lanes, and the old squares. Even 221b Baker St inside.

It was really only the classroom at the end that they went for something different.

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RE: Sherlock - 26/7/2010 8:21:15 PM   
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just watched this 'ondemand'. bloody impressed! i have read a couple of the books including the first one and i thought this guy playing sherlock was great. this was so much better than the guy richie effort.

i am almost sad that it was not set in the same time as the books, but it was a great update.

also, can anyone tell me who mycrofts assistant was? quite hot.

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RE: Sherlock - 26/7/2010 8:31:15 PM   
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For some reason iplayer has decided that Norfolk is no longer a part of the UK so I cannot download it

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RE: Sherlock - 26/7/2010 8:33:29 PM   
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OOoo - you secessionist, you.

Are you now called Delialand?

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RE: Sherlock - 26/7/2010 9:48:43 PM   
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