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RE: I'm just about to start to watch the West Wing for ... - 11/7/2006 5:56:57 PM   
punchdrunk


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I didnt mean that '24' isnt a good show theres great action but when it comes to the scenes at the agency i wish they had a bit of wit, i think "West Wing" has sort of ruined that for me...in a good way... 

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RE: I'm just about to start to watch the West Wing for ... - 11/7/2006 6:08:07 PM   
Ripper


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ORIGINAL: matthewforan

Me and my uncle (who is also a big WW fan) are dying to watch 24.


Its true after watching ww i have seen pretty much every tv show in a new light, but i still love many other tv shows, with 24 being top. Although now i can see that quite alot of shows (ww and 24 included) may seem to be original nut trust me, they arent! Still top quality shows though!

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RE: I'm just about to start to watch the West Wing for ... - 11/7/2006 6:13:08 PM   
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West Wing drinking Game:
1. Every time a Steady Cam shot is used (you'd have alcohol poisoning by the end of the episode)

2.? 

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RE: I'm just about to start to watch the West Wing for ... - 11/7/2006 6:46:55 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: punchdrunk

West Wing drinking Game:
1. Every time a Steady Cam shot is used (you'd have alcohol poisoning by the end of the episode)

2.? 


WE SHOULD DO THAT. COME UP WITH A WW DRINKING GAME, GREAT IDEA!!!

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RE: I'm just about to start to watch the West Wing for ... - 11/7/2006 6:47:30 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: punchdrunk

West Wing drinking Game:
1. Every time a Steady Cam shot is used (you'd have alcohol poisoning by the end of the episode)

2.? 


2. Every time they mention "the thing".  That should send you screaming into alcoholic oblivion....


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RE: I'm just about to start to watch the West Wing for ... - 11/7/2006 7:35:00 PM   
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3 - Every time Bartlett swooshes on his coat
4 - Every time Leo talks to someone without actually looking at them.
5 - Every time Josh has to explain legislation to Donna. That one right there is going to hospitalise you.

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RE: I'm just about to start to watch the West Wing for ... - 11/7/2006 7:37:29 PM   
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Underscore, how goes your West Wing viewing? I figure you must be on to Season 7 by now!


Woah, missed that one. I've finished Season 2, but I'm unfortuantely found that I've got no cash at the current moment. Meaning I can't continue my West Wing adventure. Which is a shame because I'm dying to know what happens after Two Cathedrals. Still, it means I've got something to look forward to.

Oh and looking at the emmy nominations page, I've worked out who wins the election in Season 7, which is really annoying. It means I'll probably not enjoy the last season as much if I know who wins...

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ORIGINAL: punchdrunk

After watching the West Wing, I dont think its possible to watch a show like '24' where it takes itself so seriously and not wish they would take notes from the West Wing and have a bit of office banter, but no they try to strain every bit of drama when the plots are dramatic enough, the West Wing deal with some really important matters and takes them seriously when it needs to but alot of the time they employ the banter which i think is to a lesser extent how it is in the real place.    


24 does occasionally have its funny bits. I think Chloe has come up with some stunners in Season 5 but unfortunately 24 has to keep a serious tone up otherwise it would break the fundementals of the show. Which are about death, shocks, more deaths and the unexpected. I think humour would lessen the impact of the twists. Could you imagine a certain death, or execution in the latter parts of Season 3 being the same if Jack knocked a joke out before pulling the trigger. Still, I don't think it lessens the quality of 24 even though I know what you mean. It shows that TWW can do both the light-hearted and the dramatic. And it's certainly a quality which it should be proud of.


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RE: I'm just about to start to watch the West Wing for ... - 11/7/2006 8:03:20 PM   
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I love 24 and The West Wing. Whenever I see 24 and see Jack Bauer on the phone with The President I often wonder how Bartlet would handle things. Just imagining Bartlet on the phone with Bauer is weird.

And for the drinking game, every time someone calls there assitant Margaret/Donna/Ginger and best of all MRS LANDINGHAM!

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RE: I'm just about to start to watch the West Wing for ... - 11/7/2006 8:06:06 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: punchdrunk

I didnt mean that '24' isnt a good show theres great action but when it comes to the scenes at the agency i wish they had a bit of wit, i think "West Wing" has sort of ruined that for me...in a good way... 


Chloe: Oh my God, Jack! They just nuked California! Casualties are at 10 million and counting!

Jack: Ooooohhh, that's GOTTA hurt!!

*Everyone at CTU laughs, then Jack walks down the corridor shouting out orders while the camera follows him along and he recites statistics from the local newspaper*


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RE: I'm just about to start to watch the West Wing for ... - 11/7/2006 8:12:15 PM   
silverado


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ORIGINAL: Ripper

Martin Sheen apparently once played the secretary of state and president jfk.

And the secretary of state (who was up for being VPOTUS) in the west wing is the secretary of defence in 24

President Logan from 24 once played a fairly low ranking reporter in season 4

A Hollywood administration perchance?


Martin Sheen also plays the Chief of Staff in Sorkin's The American President which also stars plenty of other West Wing regulars.

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RE: I'm just about to start to watch the West Wing for ... - 11/7/2006 8:12:23 PM   
matthewforan


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You are stuck on two cathedrals, you are in for a treat when you get the cash. As for spoiling the 7th season, it sort of does it in the first episode of that season. For those who have seen it you'll know what i mean.

Drinking Game:

6) When ever Toby looks down at his desk and mutters.

< Message edited by matthewforan -- 21/2/2009 10:52:17 AM >


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RE: I'm just about to start to watch the West Wing for ... - 11/7/2006 8:14:34 PM   
The Mighty


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quote:

ORIGINAL: Underscore

quote:

ORIGINAL: Barefoot Doctor

Underscore, how goes your West Wing viewing? I figure you must be on to Season 7 by now!


Woah, missed that one. I've finished Season 2, but I'm unfortuantely found that I've got no cash at the current moment. Meaning I can't continue my West Wing adventure. Which is a shame because I'm dying to know what happens after Two Cathedrals. Still, it means I've got something to look forward to.

Oh and looking at the emmy nominations page, I've worked out who wins the election in Season 7, which is really annoying. It means I'll probably not enjoy the last season as much if I know who wins...

quote:

ORIGINAL: punchdrunk

After watching the West Wing, I dont think its possible to watch a show like '24' where it takes itself so seriously and not wish they would take notes from the West Wing and have a bit of office banter, but no they try to strain every bit of drama when the plots are dramatic enough, the West Wing deal with some really important matters and takes them seriously when it needs to but alot of the time they employ the banter which i think is to a lesser extent how it is in the real place.    


24 does occasionally have its funny bits. I think Chloe has come up with some stunners in Season 5 but unfortunately 24 has to keep a serious tone up otherwise it would break the fundementals of the show. Which are about death, shocks, more deaths and the unexpected. I think humour would lessen the impact of the twists. Could you imagine a certain death, or execution in the latter parts of Season 3 being the same if Jack knocked a joke out before pulling the trigger. Still, I don't think it lessens the quality of 24 even though I know what you mean. It shows that TWW can do both the light-hearted and the dramatic. And it's certainly a quality which it should be proud of.



I couldn't agree more. The last thing 24 need is witty banter. That just isn't what 24 is about. It may work perfectly for The West Wing, but it would just be terrible on 24.

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RE: I'm just about to start to watch the West Wing for ... - 11/7/2006 10:48:43 PM   
punchdrunk


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quote:

ORIGINAL: furrybastard
quote:

ORIGINAL: punchdrunk
I didnt mean that '24' isnt a good show theres great action but when it comes to the scenes at the agency i wish they had a bit of wit, i think "West Wing" has sort of ruined that for me...in a good way... 


Chloe: Oh my God, Jack! They just nuked California! Casualties are at 10 million and counting!

Jack: Ooooohhh, that's GOTTA hurt!!

*Everyone at CTU laughs, then Jack walks down the corridor shouting out orders while the camera follows him along and he recites statistics from the local newspaper*



Can i frame this  

of course it wouldn't suite some parts of the show just as they dont suite the serious parts of WW i made that in one of my other posts, but even if i buy that. It cant compete with the quality of the cast some of them are straight out of Startrek T.N.G school of bland acting.

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RE: I'm just about to start to watch the West Wing for ... - 12/7/2006 3:05:00 PM   
Ripper


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quote:

ORIGINAL: silverado

quote:

ORIGINAL: Ripper

Martin Sheen apparently once played the secretary of state and president jfk.

And the secretary of state (who was up for being VPOTUS) in the west wing is the secretary of defence in 24

President Logan from 24 once played a fairly low ranking reporter in season 4

A Hollywood administration perchance?


Martin Sheen also plays the Chief of Staff in Sorkin's The American President which also stars plenty of other West Wing regulars.


Steven Culp who plays the speaker of the Senate from season 5 also played attorney general RFK in the film 13 Days.

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RE: I'm just about to start to watch the West Wing for ... - 12/7/2006 4:49:43 PM   
matthewforan


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I think we should get back on to topic, we have sort of lost our way a wee bit here. So my question is what actor would you have put in WW and why. I would have gone for John Cusack, who has the sort of sense of humour that the rest of the cast does and he also looks good in a suit

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RE: I'm just about to start to watch the West Wing for ... - 12/7/2006 8:57:01 PM   
LB Jeffries


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quote:

ORIGINAL: matthewforan

I think we should get back on to topic, we have sort of lost our way a wee bit here. So my question is what actor would you have put in WW and why. I would have gone for John Cusack, who has the sort of sense of humour that the rest of the cast does and he also looks good in a suit

Series 2 & 4 spoilers below.
 
 
 
 
I always thought - if his health permitted - Michael J. Fox would have been great as Sam's replacement. He would have worked well with Whitford and Fox pretty much played that part anyway, in The American President.
Jeff Bridges as the new VP when Hoynes resigns.

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The West Wing - 12/7/2006 9:05:25 PM   
Ripper


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quote:

ORIGINAL: matthewforan

I think we should get back on to topic, we have sort of lost our way a wee bit here. So my question is what actor would you have put in WW and why. I would have gone for John Cusack, who has the sort of sense of humour that the rest of the cast does and he also looks good in a suit


Tough one that. WW cast are perfect to me to the point when its one of those rare occasions i actually refer to a character by their name and not the actor playing them

I will endevour though

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RE: I'm just about to start to watch the West Wing for ... - 12/7/2006 9:06:37 PM   
Ripper


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SPOILERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!






















Hoynes quit in season 5 in the episode life on mars. One of the few i remember the title as its a david bowie song.

































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RE: I'm just about to start to watch the West Wing for ... - 12/7/2006 9:13:17 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: LB Jeffries

quote:

ORIGINAL: matthewforan

I think we should get back on to topic, we have sort of lost our way a wee bit here. So my question is what actor would you have put in WW and why. I would have gone for John Cusack, who has the sort of sense of humour that the rest of the cast does and he also looks good in a suit

Series 2 & 4 spoilers below.
 
 
 
 
I always thought - if his health permitted - Michael J. Fox would have been great as Sam's replacement. He would have worked well with Whitford and Fox pretty much played that part anyway, in The American President.
Jeff Bridges as the new VP when Hoynes resigns.


Great choices, Bridges was fantastic in The Contender, also starring Christian Slater. Bridges couldn't have played a Bob Russell kind of character though, would have to be something more wily. Fox in Wills position would have been awesome, was never a big fan of that character.

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RE: I'm just about to start to watch the West Wing for ... - 12/7/2006 9:29:24 PM   
matthewforan


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[/quote]

Great choices, Bridges was fantastic in The Contender, also starring Christian Slater. Bridges couldn't have played a Bob Russell kind of character though, would have to be something more wily. Fox in Wills position would have been awesome, was never a big fan of that character.

[/quote]

I liked Will he's a good character he has the same sort of whit as the other WWers

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RE: I'm just about to start to watch the West Wing for ... - 12/7/2006 9:36:55 PM   
LB Jeffries


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*****POST CONTAINS SEASON 4 SPOILERS*****

quote:

ORIGINAL: Ripper

SPOILERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!






















Hoynes quit in season 5 in the episode life on mars. One of the few i remember the title as its a david bowie song.

































Sorry Ripper but Life on Mars is the end of season 4. That's why when Bartlett envokes the 25th amendment, the Speaker of the House (John Goodman) has to take over as there is no VP at that time.

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RE: I'm just about to start to watch the West Wing for ... - 13/7/2006 11:20:04 AM   
matthewforan


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*********Spoilers*************











Yeah the one where Hoynes quits is, the one with Matthew Perry and he discovers about the affair and the book. I think it was called Evidence of Things Not Seen.

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RE: I'm just about to start to watch the West Wing for ... - 13/7/2006 11:34:16 AM   
Ripper


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quote:

ORIGINAL: LB Jeffries

*****POST CONTAINS SEASON 4 SPOILERS*****

Sorry Ripper but Life on Mars is the end of season 4. That's why when Bartlett envokes the 25th amendment, the Speaker of the House (John Goodman) has to take over as there is no VP at that time.



Damn, only watched it ab out 3 weeks ago, howd i forget?

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RE: I'm just about to start to watch the West Wing for ... - 13/7/2006 1:12:06 PM   
LB Jeffries


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*****Season 4 Spoilers*****
 
 
quote:

ORIGINAL: matthewforan
Yeah the one where Hoynes quits is, the one with Matthew Perry and he discovers about the affair and the book. I think it was called Evidence of Things Not Seen.

No, Life on Mars was the one where Hoynes quits, Evidence of Things Not Seen is the episode before where Josh is interviewing Perry for the job while the WW is crashed because of the sniper shooting at the Press Room.
I have a weird photographic memory regarding seasons 1-4. I think I watch them a little too often.

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RE: I'm just about to start to watch the West Wing for ... - 13/7/2006 2:02:04 PM   
matthewforan


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I don't know why that episode name was in bold and large print, but i was sure it was out of that episode but i maybe mistaken. I know what you mean about watching them a bit to often. I am on my third time around on WW i'm on to season 5.

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RE: I'm just about to start to watch the West Wing for ... - 13/7/2006 8:41:20 PM   
silverado


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ORIGINAL: matthewforan

I know what you mean about watching them a bit to often. I am on my third time around on WW i'm on to season 5.


All this talk about the show makes me want to watch even more as well. Especially when people pickout favourite episodes or scenes that I haven't seen for a while.

Not really sure about your actors question to be honest. Can't think of anyone obvious who I'd want to appear. Though agree with the posters who suggested Michael J. Fox, though not at the expense of Will who I really like.

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RE: I'm just about to start to watch the West Wing for ... - 14/7/2006 11:48:34 AM   
matthewforan


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Yeah i was the same, once i started to write on this forum i started watching them again. I'm a big fan of J. Fox as well.

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RE: I'm just about to start to watch the West Wing for ... - 14/7/2006 11:55:02 AM   
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I wouldn't replace any of the actors with anyone else.  And I don't know enough about US tv to suggest any worthy cast additions.  I wish they would've given more air time to Ainsley Hayes and Joey Lucas though, both great characters.  Oliver Platt was also an inspired choice for a bit part.

And another suggestion for the drinking game - down the rest of your drink every time Josh tells Donna he doesn't give two hoots about her love life then watches her walk away with lost puppy eyes....  guaranteed to get you drunk by the end of, well, around 6 episodes in I guess



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RE: I'm just about to start to watch the West Wing for ... - 14/7/2006 12:20:33 PM   
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I was watching a great episode the other night - 17 People. Apparently the show was costing a lot of money to produce so Sorkin wrote a script using barely any actors - Bartlet, Leo, Toby, Josh, Sam, Donna, Charlie, Ainsley, Ed and Larry are the only ones with speaking roles. CJ doesn't even appear in the episode, and there is only a couple of background actors. That's pretty phenomenal for an hour long show. And it turned out to be one of the best episodes they've ever done. The scenes between Bartlet and Toby are magnificent, especially the one where Bartlet loses it and screams 'shut up'.

And then Toby walks back into the room where they're 'bringing the funny' and looks absolutely shell shocked, with nobody noticing. The final shot of Leo closing the door to the Oval accompanied by the sound of the bouncing ball is a work of genius.

Drinking game: one shot everytime 'what's next' is said. Two shots if it's said by Bartlet.


< Message edited by Barefoot Doctor -- 14/7/2006 12:22:17 PM >

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RE: I'm just about to start to watch the West Wing for ... - 14/7/2006 12:30:54 PM   
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That is a great episode, when you see Toby at the start working it out in his head and then going to Leo and Bartlet. It's also a really like the bits in the Oval Office, you really see the talent that flows through WW in that episode.

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