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Top 50 TV/Radio Shows you've watched this year - 26/4/2009 9:40:46 PM   
elab49


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Rule no 1 - it must be the entire series. Not just you've caught the odd episode of a show you love - has to be the entire run (although if it is, say, the Likely Lads, you don't need to have watched Whatever Happened to as well!). And it doesn't need to be in one go.

There is no rule no 2.

First tries, or rewatches. Make use of our obsession with DVD boxsetting.

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RE: Top 50 TV Shows you've watched this year - 26/4/2009 9:52:11 PM   
elab49


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Fiction
 
Nuts in May (1976)
The Nightmare Man (1981)
The Office (Season 5)
Jonathan Creek S2
Primeval S3
Whitechapel (2009)
Boys Meets Girl (2009)
Diary of Anne Frank (2009)
Life S2
Harpers Island (2009)
Jonathan Creek S1
How I Met Your Mother (S1)
Castle (S1)
Red Riding (2009)
Lost (Season 5)
Emma (2009)
Heroes (Season 3)
Demons (2009)
Proof (Season 1)
Red Dwarf - Back To Earth
Prison Break (Season 4)

Non-Fiction

Last Chance to See (2009)
Home Front Britain with Jim Carter (2009)
Eurovision Song Contest 2009
Newswipe (2009)

Nuts in May (Play For Today, 1976, Leigh)

Roger Sloman is a face that will be easily recognised by anyone who has watched TV over the last 3 decades. Regularly playing jobsworths and busybodies and officials he was never what you would call a star. But I think part of the reason he tended to get cast in those roles was this play from Mike Leigh where he and Sloman create one of the most monstrous characters to grace the small screen. A self-righteous jobsworth who lacks any self-awareness whatsoever he is tested to his limit while on a camping holiday with his rather infantile girlfriend Candice Marie (Steadman). Rattled by neighbours who make too much noise and break the rules and fail to listen to 'reason' he reaches the end of his tether.

The character they create isn't an extreme - the build-up is incremental. This is a normal person - officious and overbearing. But at no times does it touch caricature. You even empathise with some of his initial frustration with the noise being made when you want peace, even if you cringe inside at this attempt to deal with it. He presents himself as a liberal but this is a very thin veneer on a severly conservative undercoat. He is a know-it-all but also more than a hint of insecurity and uncertainty, particularly when Candice Marie shows some interest in the initial interloper in their holiday ideal.

Personally, I prefer Nuts in May to the excellent Abigail's Party, another one of Leigh's Plays for Today. Partly because the latter is an almost unbearable watch, granted! Recommend watch and I'd also try to catch the fascinating interview he gave to Mark Lawson on how he works, that was shown with it.

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RE: Top 50 TV Shows you've watched this year - 26/4/2009 9:56:21 PM   
paul_ie86


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  1. Battlestar Galactica: Season 4
  2. The Wire: Season 2
  3. The West Wing: Season 4
  4. The West Wing: Season 3
  5. The West Wing: Season 2
  6. Battlestar Galactica: Season 2
  7. The West Wing: Season 1
  8. The West Wing: Season 7
  9. The Wire: Season 1
  10. Battlestar Galactica: Season 1
  11. The US Office: Season 5
  12. Battlestar Galactica Season 3
  13. The West Wing: Season 6
  14. Battlestar Galactica mini series
  15. Firefly
  16. Peep Show: Series 3
  17. Peep Show: Series 2
  18. The West Wing: Season 5
  19. Blackadder II
  20. Dead Set
  21. Newswipe
  22. A Decade Under The Influence
  23. The I.T. Crowd: Season 2
  24. The I.T. Crowd: Season 3
  25. The I.T. Crowd: Season 1
  26. Popular: Season 2
  27. Popular: Season 1
  28. Peep Show: Series 4
  29. Peep Show: Series 1
  30. Weeds: Season 5
  31. Blackadder III
  32. Screenwipe Review Of The Year
  33. The US Office Season 4
  34. The Office Season 3
  35. I Knew It Was You: Rediscoving John Cazale
  36. Spaced Series 1
  37. Peep Show Series 6
  38. Peep Show Series 5
  39. Steve Coogan- The Inside Story
  40. Red Dwarf III
  41. Red Dwarf IV
  42. Red Dwarf V
  43. Red Dwarf II
  44. Red Dwarf
  45. Red Dwarf VI
  46. Nathan Barley
  47. The Office: An American Workplace: Season 2
  48. The Office: An American Workplace: Season 1
  49. Scrubs: Season 8
  50. Heroes: Season 3
  51. The Black Adder
  52. Red Dwarf VII
  53. Red Dwarf VIII
  54. Red Dwarf: Back To Earth
  55. The 20 Greatest Shows of the Noughties
  56. The 20 Greatest Songs of the Noughties


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RE: Top 50 TV Shows you've watched this year - 26/4/2009 9:57:35 PM   
Gram123

 

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Gram's Top ranked TV series of 2009

First views are in blue. Re-watches are in black. Entries listed in the following format:

001) The Wire: S3  (DVD, 12) (David Simon, USA, 2004) - 9.5
002) The Wire: S1  (DVD, 13) (David Simon, USA, 2002) - 9.5
003) The Sopranos: S2  (DVD, 13) (David Chase, USA, 2000) - 9.0
004) The Wire: S2  (DVD, 12) (David Simon, USA, 2003) - 9.0
005) The Sopranos: S3  (
DVD, 13) (David Chase, USA, 2001) - 9.0
006) The Sopranos: S1  (
DVD, 13) (David Chase, USA, 1999) - 8.5
007) The Sopranos: S6  (Pt I & II, DVD, 21) (David Chase, USA, 2006-2007) - 8.5
008) Generation Kill  (DVD, 7) (Evan Wright, David Simon & Ed Burns, USA / UK, 2008) - 8.5
009) The Sopranos: S4  (DVD, 13) (David Chase, USA, 2002) - 8.5
010) The Sopranos: S5  (DVD, 13) (David Chase, USA, 2004) - 8.0
011) Samurai Champloo  (Vol 1-7, DVD, 26) (Watanabe Shinichirô, Japan, 2004) - 8.5
012) Flight of the Conchords: S1  (DVD, 12) (J. Bobin, J. Clement & B. McKenzie, USA, 2007) - 8.0

013) Flight of the Conchords: S2  (DVD, 10) (J. Bobin, J. Clement & B. McKenzie, USA, 2009) - 7.5
014) QI: Series F  (Broadcast, 12) (John Lloyd, UK, 2008-2009) - 7.5

015) Human Remains  (DVD, 6) (Julia Davis & Rob Brydon, UK, 2000) - 7.5
016) Mushi-shi  (DVD, 26) (Urushibara Yuki & Nagahama Hiroshi, Japan, 2005-2006) - 7.5
017) Lost: S5  (Broadcast, 16) (Jeffrey Lieber, J.J. Abrams & Damon Lindelof, USA, 2009) - 7.5
018) Fullmetal Alchemist: S1  (Vol 1-13, DVD, 51) (Arakawa Hiromu & Mizushima Seiji, 2003-2004) - 7.5
019) Last Chance to See  (Broadcast, 6) (UK, 2009) - 7.5
020) Twin Peaks: S2  (DVD, 22) (David Lynch & Mark Frost, USA, 1990-1991) - 7.0
021) Harry Hill's TV Burp: S8  (Broadcast, 25) (Harry Hill et al, USA, 2008-2009) - 7.0
022) Famous, Rich & Homeless  (Broadcast, 2) (UK, 2009) - 7.0
023) Shooting Stars: S6 + Special  (Broadcast, 7) (Vic Reeves & Bob Mortimer, UK, 2009) - 6.5
024) The Take  (Broadcast, 4) (Martina Cole, David Drury, UK, 2009) - 6.5
025) Steve Coogan: The Inside Story  (Broadcast, 1) (UK, 2009) - 6.5
026) Charlie Boorman: Sydney to Tokyo By Any Means (S2) (Broadcast, 6) (Charlie Boorman & Russ Malkin, UK, 2009) - 6.5
027) Who Do You Think You Are? S7  (Broadcast, 6) (UK, 2009) - 6.5
028) The Apprentice: S5  (Broadcast, 12) (UK, 2009) - 6.5
029) 8 Out of 10 Cats: S8  (Broadcast, 7) (UK, 2009) - 6.5
030) 2009 Unwrapped with Miranda Hart  (Broadcast, 1) (UK, 2009) - 6.5
031) Alone in the Wild  (Broadcast, 3) (UK, 2009) - 6.0
032) Tough Guy or Chicken?  (Broadcast, 8) (UK, 2009) - 6.0
033) Boogiepop Phantom  (Vol 1-4, DVD, 12) (Watanabe Takashi, Japan, 2000) - 6.0
034) Ross Noble's Australian Trip  (Broadcast, 6) (UK, 2009) - 6.0
035) Heroes: S3  (Vol 3-4, Broadcast, 25) (Tim Kring, USA, 2008-2009) - 5.5
036) Monty Python: Almost the Truth - The BBC Lawyer's Cut (Broadcast, 1) (UK, 2009) - 5.5
037) Derren Brown: The Events  (Broadcast, 4) (D. Brown, Andy Nyman & Iain Sharkey, UK, 2009) - 5.0



Radio series heard in 2009 (not ranked) 

For ongoing radio shows, years are rounded off into series.

15 Minutes of Misery
(6 eps) (Sean Lock)
15 Storeys High: S1 (5 eps) (Sean Lock)

15 Storeys High: S2 (5 eps) (Sean Lock)
The 99p Challenge S1 (6 eps)
The 99p Challenge S2 (6 eps)
The 99p Challenge S3 (6 eps)
Adam & Joe XFM series 
(20 podcasts, i.e. all available)
Adam & Joe BBC 6 Music: Jan 2008 - Dec 2008 (50 podcasts approx)
Flight of the Conchords: Radio 2 series (6 eps)
I'm Sorry I Haven't a Clue: S50 (2008) (6 eps + "Humph in Wonderland")
I'm Sorry I Haven't a Clue: S51 (2009) (6 eps)
King Stupid (6 eps)
On The Hour: S1 (6 eps + Xmas special)
On The Hour: S1 (6 eps + Xmas special)
On The Hour: S2 (6 eps + 3 shorts)
Ricky Gervais XFM: S1 (23 eps)
Ricky Gervais XFM: S2 (51 eps)
Ricky Gervais XFM: S3 (12 eps)
Ricky Gervais XFM: S4 (6 eps)
The Ricky Gervais Guide To...: S1 (5 eps)
The Russell Brand Show: Jan 2007 - Dec 2007 (48 eps approx)
The Russell Brand Show: Jan 2008 - Dec 2008 (48 eps approx)
The Russell Brand Show: Jan 2009 - Oct 2009 (End) (40 eps approx)
Saturday Night Fry (1988) (6 eps)
The Sofa of Time (Nick Frost & Matt King) (6 eps)
Timeghost (Armstrong & Miller) (26 eps)
The Unbelievable Truth: S1 (pilot + 6 eps)
The Unbelievable Truth: S2 (6 eps + Xmas special)
The Unbelievable Truth: S3 (6 eps)
Vic Reeves' House Arrest (6 eps)


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RE: Top 50 TV Shows you've watched this year - 26/4/2009 9:59:29 PM   
TRM


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From: Bristol
TRM's TV shows watched 2009

  1. Veronica Mars: Season 1 -
  2. Scrubs: Season 1 -
  3. Veronica Mars: Season 2 -
  4. Scrubs: Season 2 -
  5. Peep show: Series 1 -
  6. Peep show: Series 2  -
  7. 2 guys and a girl: Season 1 -
  8. Scrubs: Season 3 -
  9. Friends: Series 10 -
  10. The big bang theory: Season 2 -
  11. My name is Earl: Season 4 -
  12. 24: Season 7 -
  13. Scrubs: Season 5 -
  14. Scrubs: Season 6 -
  15. Scrubs: Season 4 -
  16. The inbetweeners: Series 2 -
  17. Skins: Series 3 -
  18. Red Dwarf: Back to Earth -
Rewatches in blue
First viewings in black

currently in the middle of:
Robotech: The Macross saga
The prisoner


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RE: Top 50 TV Shows you've watched this year - 26/4/2009 10:01:04 PM   
elab49


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ORIGINAL: paul_ie86

I just started a similar thread. Will I just put my stuff in here?


Bugger We could toss a coin? Although if you win, I think you should probably change the name if you don't mind - just so it fits in here?

Gram is clearly doing much better than me in remembering thus far.

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ORIGINAL: Deviation] LIKE AMERICA'S SWEETHEARTS TOO. IT MADE ME LAUGH A LOT AND THOUGHT IT WAS WITTY. ALSO I FEEL SLOWLY DYING INSIDE. I KEEP AGREEING WITH ELAB.


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RE: Top 50 TV Shows you've watched this year - 26/4/2009 10:07:42 PM   
paul_ie86


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Nah, you can go ahead and lock my thread. I'll just post in here

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RE: Top 50 TV Shows you've watched this year - 26/4/2009 10:13:37 PM   
paul_ie86


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Thanks Elab. Just to let you know I got all four series on BangCD for less than €50

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RE: Top 50 TV Shows you've watched this year - 26/4/2009 10:18:52 PM   
elab49


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That is quite a bargain. I got them as and when - and this is one of the few times I don't regret that - but the prices are great for newcomers, now. Just wish all the HBO stuff was so accessible!

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ORIGINAL: Deviation] LIKE AMERICA'S SWEETHEARTS TOO. IT MADE ME LAUGH A LOT AND THOUGHT IT WAS WITTY. ALSO I FEEL SLOWLY DYING INSIDE. I KEEP AGREEING WITH ELAB.


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RE: Top 50 TV Shows you've watched this year - 26/4/2009 10:32:33 PM   
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Here Goes…

01.     Battlestar Galactica Series 1 (2004-2005, USA)
02.     Battlestar Galactica Series 3 (2006-2007, USA)
03.     Deadwood Series 1 (2004, USA)
04.     Battlestar Galactica Series 4 (2008-2009, USA)
05.     Flight of the Conchords Series 1 (2007, USA/NZ) (First View)
06.     Fringe Series 1 (2008-2009, USA) (First View)
07.     Flight of the Conchords Series 2 (2009, USA/NZ) (First View)

08.     Life on Mars Series 2 (2007, UK)
09.     Cranford (2007, UK)
10.     Bleak House (2005, UK)  (First View)

11.     Battlestar Galactica Series 2 (2005-2006, USA)  
12.     Ashes to Ashes Series 2 (2009, UK) (First View)
13.     Law and Order Criminal Intent Series 1 (2001-2002, USA) (First View)

14.     Inspector Lynley Series 1 (2002, UK)
15.     Ashes to Ashes Series 1 (2008, UK)
16.     Lie to Me Series 1 (2009, USA) (First View)
17.     Red Dwarf Series 1 (1988, UK)  
18.     Inspector Lynley Series 4 (2005, UK)
19.     Inspector Lynley Series 5 (2006, UK)


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RE: Top 50 TV Shows you've watched this year - 26/4/2009 10:48:29 PM   
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ORIGINAL: elab49

Nuts in May (Play For Today, 1976, Leigh)

Roger Sloman is a face that will be easily recognised by anyone who has watched TV over the last 3 decades. Regularly playing jobsworths and busybodies and officials he was never what you would call a star. But I think part of the reason he tended to get cast in those roles was this play from Mike Leigh where he and Sloman create one of the most monstrous characters to grace the small screen. A self-righteous jobsworth who lacks any self-awareness whatsoever he is tested to his limit while on a camping holiday with his rather infantile girlfriend Candice Marie (Steadman). Rattled by neighbours who make too much noise and break the rules and fail to listen to 'reason' he reaches the end of his tether.

The character they create isn't an extreme - the build-up is incremental. This is a normal person - officious and overbearing. But at no times does it touch caricature. You even empathise with some of his initial frustration with the noise being made when you want peace, even if you cringe inside at this attempt to deal with it. He presents himself as a liberal but this is a very thin veneer on a severly conservative undercoat. He is a know-it-all but also more than a hint of insecurity and uncertainty, particularly when Candice Marie shows some interest in the initial interloper in their holiday ideal.

Personally, I prefer Nuts in May to the excellent Abigail's Party, another one of Leigh's Plays for Today. Partly because the latter is an almost unbearable watch, granted! Recommend watch and I'd also try to catch the fascinating interview he gave to Mark Lawson on how he works, that was shown with it.


A wonderful little play, some beautiful location footage as well. I'd also say Nuts in May is a bit of an obvious influence on some of the LOG stuff, there's shades of Keith in characters like Harvey Denton. Watching this and Abigail's Party back to back is also a fine way to see what a remarkable actress Alison Steadman actually is.

Regarding the Lawson interview, I've taped it but haven't been able to bring myself to watch it yet. Partly because I find Lawson a repellent creature in general, but partly because he's displayed such a sneering attitude towards television history in the past that I don't know if I can subject myself to it. If you listen to Lawson there was nothing of worth on television in the days  B.G. (Before Gervais) He once tried to compare Extras to Chekhov, unless he meant the character in Star Trek the man gave up any right to a career related to television right there. This is basically my long winded way of asking how much is Lawson's part in this interview likely to wind me up?

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RE: Top 50 TV Shows you've watched this year - 26/4/2009 11:06:39 PM   
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You might be OK as he tends to treat the whole thing as an analysis of film and the bulk of the second half is a discussion in some detail of Leigh's working practice. Leigh also refers to the 2 reviewers who have criticised him as creating working class caricatures - something that seemed to genuinely hurt him. He noted that one had retracted - Potter, of course, can't.

But I think he undersells himself as do most who have some kind of collaborative workshop technique. IMO actors will simply 'do' a character. If they can actually write, they'll write. Most don't because they can't. So if a decent work comes out of the process it is because it is ultimately controlled by a writer and director who know what they are doing and incorrectly reducing their own role in the process. If a writer/director can't control it just look at the missteps that can occur - I'm with you on United 93 and I think the creative process if a major reason where the film went wrong. Too much respect for an actor's take and not enough control.

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ORIGINAL: Deviation] LIKE AMERICA'S SWEETHEARTS TOO. IT MADE ME LAUGH A LOT AND THOUGHT IT WAS WITTY. ALSO I FEEL SLOWLY DYING INSIDE. I KEEP AGREEING WITH ELAB.


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RE: Top 50 TV Shows you've watched this year - 26/4/2009 11:09:48 PM   
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Spoilers from the get go....


Edge of Darkness (1985, Director: Martin Campbell, Written By: Troy Kennedy Martin)


It's about to be remade, and I know you're a big fan of this elab, so I thought I'd better hurry up and watch the original first.

I had absolutely no idea what to expect from it, bar a few rave reviews. It stars the greatly missed Bob Peck (probably most remembered for his role in Jurassic Park) as Ronald Craven, a Yorkshire policeman driven to find answers after the murder of his daughter Emma. Peck's performance is hypnotic - given great time by the languid pace of the whole series (with the exception of the incendiary fifth episode, which moves like a train in comparison) he paints a fascinating portrait of a man with deep demons obsessed with finding out exactly what his daughter was involved in - or perhaps specifically who she was.

Craven's stiff-upper-lipped presence is counter-balanced by the far more extrovert  Texan CIA operative Darius Jedburgh (Joe Don Baker). Jedburgh also finds his world unravelling as he becomes embroiled in Craven's journey; the two are very similar characters but with wildly different personalities. Both used and misused by organisations who view them as mere pawns, but united by a common cause.

It's also structurally brilliant. The different levels of the plot build upon each other systematically and in very subtle ways - this is no A to B to C stuff; over each episode the scope expands rapidly from the rather familiar concept of a detective story, before encompassing elements of a political thriller, until it's ultimately warning of global apocalypse. Throughout all of this, Kraven's sheer force of personality remains central.

While its central message about the dangers of misuse of nuclear power is firmly rooted in the era in which it was produced and, barring a sequence involving the hacking of an MI5 computer, hasn't aged at all. It's also something of a reminder of when British TV was playing to its strengths - a single story told over six hours but using its extended running time (in comparison to a film) to delve deeply into the psyche of its main characters. It's utterly magnificent stuff from start to finish.

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RE: Top 50 TV Shows you've watched this year - 26/4/2009 11:21:29 PM   
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To be able to watch this again for the first time

Bob Peck is, I think, one of our most amazing actors. It was a really difficult role to get right - to engage while we are watching a man completely self-destruct with grief. It would be sad if he was just remembered for (being extremely good in, of course) Jurassic Park.

The scene with Jedburgh at the conference made, I think, the top 5 of the most remembered or best scenes list on TV a couple of years ago. I think Blackadder 4 was above it. But this was over 2 decades after the show with only reshowings round the time and I think once again in the 90s. Ending still makes me cry.

I do wonder how the Americans are going to swing it, really. I mean we had the context of the miners strike (with the allusion to McGahey as well). I can't even work out who their Harcourt and Pendleton are. I think Jay O Sanders might be one of them.

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ORIGINAL: Deviation] LIKE AMERICA'S SWEETHEARTS TOO. IT MADE ME LAUGH A LOT AND THOUGHT IT WAS WITTY. ALSO I FEEL SLOWLY DYING INSIDE. I KEEP AGREEING WITH ELAB.


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RE: Top 50 TV Shows you've watched this year - 26/4/2009 11:22:55 PM   
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You might be OK as he tends to treat the whole thing as an analysis of film and the bulk of the second half is a discussion in some detail of Leigh's working practice. Leigh also refers to the 2 reviewers who have criticised him as creating working class caricatures - something that seemed to genuinely hurt him. He noted that one had retracted - Potter, of course, can't.

But I think he undersells himself as do most who have some kind of collaborative workshop technique. IMO actors will simply 'do' a character. If they can actually write, they'll write. Most don't because they can't. So if a decent work comes out of the process it is because it is ultimately controlled by a writer and director who know what they are doing and incorrectly reducing their own role in the process. If a writer/director can't control it just look at the missteps that can occur - I'm with you on United 93 and I think the creative process if a major reason where the film went wrong. Too much respect for an actor's take and not enough control.


That sounds like it should be ok then. I think I'm just dreading the possibility of Lawson using one of his beloved buzzwords and maybe trying to describe Leigh as a forerunner of 'Sit-trag'.  Lawson did provide a great unintentional moment of comedy on Newsnight Review once though. They were discussing LOTR and Lawson actually had the lack of self-awareness to say "In my school you either read Tolkein or did sports. I did sports."

Regarding Leigh and the creative process. I've always wondered how much input Thewlis had into his monologues in Naked. Because I've heard it stated in the past (Not from Thewlis) that he actually wrote a lot of them himself.

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RE: Top 50 TV Shows you've watched this year - 26/4/2009 11:28:38 PM   
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That sounds like how it works. E.g. Eddie Marsan knew he was a driving instructor. I think they'd talked about his character. Basically they gave him an address and told him to go ring the doorbell - not a clue what was behind it. Hawkins said she was a good chunk through the film before she realised she was the lead!

But if the actor is literate and intelligent enough - and you get the impression Thewlis is (I quite like his book) - I'd say they contribute a hell of a lot more.

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RE: Top 50 TV Shows you've watched this year - 26/4/2009 11:33:15 PM   
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That's always been the impression I've had of Thewlis as well. Naked is such a layered film and I'm amazed it's not held up by pretty much everyone as the highest peak of Leigh's career to date. In a just world Thewlis would have been able to pick and choose his roles after that performance.

Who was Leigh's other critic, btw? The one who retracted.

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RE: Top 50 TV Shows you've watched this year - 26/4/2009 11:46:27 PM   
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I completely blanked when I was writing the line above and hoped you wouldn't ask! I keep thinking David Thomson but only because I seem to recall having a real go at one point, but I don't think it was.

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RE: Top 50 TV Shows you've watched this year - 26/4/2009 11:53:28 PM   
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I remember Thomson saying something like he thought Leigh was actually disgusted by his characters.

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RE: Top 50 TV Shows you've watched this year - 27/4/2009 12:14:44 AM   
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1. The Wire: Season 1
One of the best debut series I've ever seen

2. The West Wing: Season 3
The best season of The West Wing I've seen so far. Bartlett's secret, The Qumar situation, The Butterball helpline help make this the best season of The West Wing so far.

3. The West Wing: Season 2
Contains the best episode of the entire series so far, Two Cathedrals

4. The West Wing: Season 1
A great introduction to the world of The West Wing

5. Blackadder II
One of the finest British comedies ever.

6. Popular: Season 2
The better of the two series, with SPOILERHarrison's leukemiaSPOILER & the fleshing out of Nicole's character improving the series a lot

7. Popular: Season 1
A great, over-the-top high school comedy-drama.

8. Blackadder III
Almost equal to Blackadder II, but missing Tim McInnerny, although it does have Hugh Laurie as the Prince Regent.

9. The Office: An American Workplace: Season 2
A big improvment on Season 1.

10. The Office: An American Workplace: Season 1
Tries to copy the first season of the original, and in honesty comes across as a copy

11. The Black Adder
The weakest of the four series

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RE: Top 50 TV Shows you've watched this year - 27/4/2009 12:21:37 AM   
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8. Blackadder III
Almost equal to Blackadder II, but missing Tim McInnerny, although it does have Hugh Laurie as the Prince Regent.



But if he'd been in the whole of that series we would have missed out on his brilliant guest role.

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RE: Top 50 TV Shows you've watched this year - 27/4/2009 12:36:59 AM   
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quote:

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quote:

ORIGINAL: paul_ie86

8. Blackadder III
Almost equal to Blackadder II, but missing Tim McInnerny, although it does have Hugh Laurie as the Prince Regent.



But if he'd been in the whole of that series we would have missed out on his brilliant guest role.


Yeah, he was fantastic

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RE: Top 50 TV Shows you've watched this year - 27/4/2009 7:17:41 AM   
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I'll embellish it with ratings and reviews later on but for now it looks like this.

Rewatches in bold

1. Band Of Brothers
2. The Shield, season 2
3. The Shield, season 5
4. The Shield, season 4

5. Battlestar Galactia, season 1
6. The Shield, season 7
7. Queen: The Legendary 1975 Concert
8. The Shield, season 3
9. Lost, season 5
10. 102 Minutes That Changed America

11. Battlestar Galactica, season 3
12. 24, season 7
13. Hill Street Blues, season 2
14. M*A*S*H, season 7
15. Hill Street Blues, season 1
16. M*A*S*H, season 8
17. Lost, season 4
18. Battlestar Galactica, season 2
19. St. Elsewhere, season 2
20. M*A*S*H, season 2


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RE: Top 50 TV Shows you've watched this year - 27/4/2009 8:39:00 AM   
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Red Riding

Red Riding must have been an amazingly difficult to adapt. A work of borderline madness the more impressive part was always Eddie Dunford’s convincing descent to hell. The narrative it fitted into was less coherent and the tale of organised corruption often unconvincing, with the exception of superimposing the real life crimes of Peter Sutcliffe over the fictional world Peace created.

The first decision was to ignore the second book. A sensible choice as the narrative is effectively a retread of the first book – borderline decent man faces corruption, is obsessed by a prostitute, gets mad, anally rapes her, is nearly fitted up for crimes and a nasty end. IE exactly the same story as the first book with a different character. Dropping it was a sensible move.

The best thing about 1974 is Garfield’s excellent Eddie Dunford. After a brilliant performance as the lead in Boy A, clearly a young actor to look out for in the future. Better material would help, though, and I pity anyone coming into this cold. Obviously much has to be cut and adjusted to reduce to TV and make up for the missing book but much of the script seems wilfully opaque with jumps between scenes often with no coherent sequence between. This is the worst directed of the 3. Half of it looks like a Goldfrapp cover shot through vaseline with Hall and her curious characterless flat accent that never manages to sound right (and the only faulty one with even actors like James Fox sounding tonally perfect – but Hall’s performance was also the most unremarkable of the leads) made to look like some kind of Hardy heroine. It takes itself very, very seriously.

I think, as well, the writer makes some ill-judged changes. Dunford is made far too sympathetic. From a cocky cub reporter thrown badly off balance by his father’s death (something barely touched on in the film), who falls apart over the course of the book including conducting a rape, the same scene in the film becomes a touching love scene. Dunford in the book is not a pleasant or empathetic character. His madness is palpable. We are given too much to make us feel sorry for him in 1974. I think that is a mistake.

Marsh’s 1980 is the best of the 3. The strongest and most coherent narrative the real criticism lies in why they bothered casting an almost invisible Lesley Sharp. Having removed the effectiveness and repeated motif of key locations – the Stafford, the hotel room, the end is, again, altered for cheap effect. But the direction is crisp and we are treated to a raft of excellent performances and it was wonderful to see Considine on TV.

1983 is the halfway house. Generally well-directed it did tend towards the pointlessly arty – not just the ridiculous slow-mo at the end but for no reason all through the film. When Badger and Jobson are talking to the witness who saw Laws on the dirt road the camera for no apparent reason suddenly goes to a high shot when he is talking and then back down – no rhyme or reason for it, adds nothing, says nothing. Pointless.

Although Morrisey is excellent, the story thus far hasn’t really made us believe Jobson’s journey although it is clear someone has to take it and he is pretty much the only choice. The ridiculous psychic subplot turns up and is absurd here as in the book. It is nice, though, to be reminded that Addy is an excellent actor and Sheehan – who was an annoying stereotype in the first 2 – improves greatly as the damaged manchild BJ, going back to the beginning to end it all. Also kudos to Daniel Mays as Michael Myshkin.

Overall? It took itself all too seriously in terms of direction. The adaptation missed some of the key points of the work and made changes that detracted from the characters themselves. A work that feels like it was born in madness became an often rather muddled story of police corruption that really didn’t work. Channel 4 stuffed this one. Not important – but self-important. But it certainly gave us what may be some of the finest TV performances this year. But actors this good deserved much better writing and less faffy direction. I was unsurprised to see Tideland on the writer’s list of credits.

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RE: Top 50 TV Shows you've watched this year - 27/4/2009 9:25:02 AM   
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01.     Battlestar Galactica Series One (Spoilers)
After the destruction of the 12 Colonies by the Cylon Fleet who hadn't been seen or heard from in 40 years the last human survivors form a fleet led by the lone surviving military ship, the ancient (it was to be retired before the surprise attack) Galactica whose commander is the formidable Commander William Adama. With no home and little hope the fleet make for the fabled 13th Colony, known as Earth. They are now on the run from the terrifying Cylon Race and their considerable forces the crew and fleet must maintain life even as their morale fails, supplies dwindle and the idea that the Cylons no longer resembles toasters at all, oh and the new President, the People's representative is a school teacher who experiences vivid "hallucinations”…    
 
The reason Galactica is so good and one of the finest Series ever made for Television is that despite the odd clunker (they are far and few between, in fact only Black Market comes to mind) the standard rarely drops which is especially true of Series One in which every episode has something. The best example is the Series opener 33 (in fact if it doesn't grab you I would say BSG isn't for you but then I would still suggest you give the entire series a go anyway because it deserves a second chance), a dark, bleak episode in which every 33 minutes the Cylon Fleet appear no matter where our ragtag refugees and their only arms equipped vessel happen to be. They have been chased relentlessly for the past five days and every time they are found those aboard Galactica have no choice but to engage the enemy so the fleet have time to escape, after 237 jumps it's getting a little difficult and sleep deprivation is only one of the problems. A passenger ship goes missing, there's speculation as to how the Cylon are tracking them, is there a spy aboard or a collaborator, soon suspicion and fatigue combine.
 
Over the course of the Series we are treated to many different ideas about freedom, terrorism, identity, democracy, trust, sacrifice, religion, corruption, guilt, love, friendship and the endurance of the human spirit all of which are wonderfully explored by a superb cast headed by the fantastic Edward James Olmos. The other main stars are Mary McDonnell, Jamie Bamber, James Callis, Tricia Helfer, Grace Park, Katte Sackhoff, Michael Hogan and several other superb supporting cast members, it's a great ensemble and Galactica isn't only a great science fiction show it's just a great show in general.  
 

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RE: Top 50 TV Shows you've watched this year - 27/4/2009 9:45:29 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: elab49

Red Riding

Red Riding must have been an amazingly difficult to adapt. A work of borderline madness the more impressive part was always Eddie Dunford's convincing descent to hell. The narrative it fitted into was less coherent and the tale of organised corruption often unconvincing, with the exception of superimposing the real life crimes of Peter Sutcliffe over the fictional world Peace created.

The first decision was to ignore the second book. A sensible choice as the narrative is effectively a retread of the first book – borderline decent man faces corruption, is obsessed by a prostitute, gets mad, anally rapes her, is nearly fitted up for crimes and a nasty end. IE exactly the same story as the first book with a different character. Dropping it was a sensible move.

The best thing about 1974 is Garfield's excellent Eddie Dunford. After a brilliant performance as the lead in Boy A, clearly a young actor to look out for in the future. Better material would help, though, and I pity anyone coming into this cold. Obviously much has to be cut and adjusted to reduce to TV and make up for the missing book but much of the script seems wilfully opaque with jumps between scenes often with no coherent sequence between. This is the worst directed of the 3. Half of it looks like a Goldfrapp cover shot through vaseline with Hall and her curious characterless flat accent that never manages to sound right (and the only faulty one with even actors like James Fox sounding tonally perfect – but Hall's performance was also the most unremarkable of the leads) made to look like some kind of Hardy heroine. It takes itself very, very seriously.

I think, as well, the writer makes some ill-judged changes. Dunford is made far too sympathetic. From a cocky cub reporter thrown badly off balance by his father's death (something barely touched on in the film), who falls apart over the course of the book including conducting a rape, the same scene in the film becomes a touching love scene. Dunford in the book is not a pleasant or empathetic character. His madness is palpable. We are given too much to make us feel sorry for him in 1974. I think that is a mistake.

Marsh's 1980 is the best of the 3. The strongest and most coherent narrative the real criticism lies in why they bothered casting an almost invisible Lesley Sharp. Having removed the effectiveness and repeated motif of key locations – the Stafford, the hotel room, the end is, again, altered for cheap effect. But the direction is crisp and we are treated to a raft of excellent performances and it was wonderful to see Considine on TV.

1983 is the halfway house. Generally well-directed it did tend towards the pointlessly arty – not just the ridiculous slow-mo at the end but for no reason all through the film. When Badger and Jobson are talking to the witness who saw Laws on the dirt road the camera for no apparent reason suddenly goes to a high shot when he is talking and then back down – no rhyme or reason for it, adds nothing, says nothing. Pointless.

Although Morrisey is excellent, the story thus far hasn't really made us believe Jobson's journey although it is clear someone has to take it and he is pretty much the only choice. The ridiculous psychic subplot turns up and is absurd here as in the book. It is nice, though, to be reminded that Addy is an excellent actor and Sheehan – who was an annoying stereotype in the first 2 – improves greatly as the damaged manchild BJ, going back to the beginning to end it all. Also kudos to Daniel Mays as Michael Myshkin.

Overall? It took itself all too seriously in terms of direction. The adaptation missed some of the key points of the work and made changes that detracted from the characters themselves. A work that feels like it was born in madness became an often rather muddled story of police corruption that really didn't work. Channel 4 stuffed this one. Not important – but self-important. But it certainly gave us what may be some of the finest TV performances this year. But actors this good deserved much better writing and less faffy direction. I was unsurprised to see Tideland on the writer's list of credits.



Spot on review there Elab

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RE: Top 50 TV Shows you've watched this year - 27/4/2009 10:06:09 AM   
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1. The Wire (Season 1)
2. Rome (Season 1)
3. Rome (Season 2)
4. Buffy The Vampire Slayer (Season 2)
5. Battlestar Galactica (Season 4) *
6. Count Dracula (BBC 1977)
7. 24 (Season 1)
8. Doctor Who (Season 3)
9. South Park (Season 7) *
10. Lost (Season 5) *
11. Supernatural (Season 4) *
12. Chuck (Season 2) *
13. Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles (Season 2) *
14. The Inbetweeners (Season 2) *
15. The Inbetweeners (Season 1) *
16. 24 (Season 7) *
17. Dollhouse (Season 1) *
18. Skins (Season 1) *
19. Skins (Season 2) *
20. Heroes (Season 3) *
21. Skins (Season 3) *

* - first viewing

To be added in the near future:
True Blood (Season 1), maybe the second season if I like this one
Dexter (Season 3)
Californication (Season 2)
Ashes To Ashes (Season 2)
The Wire (Seasons 2-5) when my brother gives my DVDs back
Buffy The Vampire Slayer (Season 3)
Lost (Season 1)
The Office (US) (Season 5)
Prison Break (Season 4) if I'm forced at gunpoint to watch the wretched thing

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RE: Top 50 TV Shows you've watched this year - 27/4/2009 10:22:02 AM   
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Gram is clearly doing much better than me in remembering thus far.


Not really! Struggling to remember what else I've seen in full this year, and confusing exactly when I saw certain things. The likes of anime series Noir, Last Man Standing S2 and Bruce Parry's Amazon series all came to mind, but my mini review of the former and broadcast dates of the two latter show I must have seen them all last year. My mental filing system is sadly fallible!

The old noodlebox has recalled a couple more, though - added Flight of the Conchords S1 and QI Series F.

Oh, and if I started watching a series in 2008, but finished in 2009, I'm including it. Hence the presence of QI and also Twin Peaks S2.


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RE: Top 50 TV Shows you've watched this year - 27/4/2009 11:58:01 AM   
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I feel like I have no life, but I hardly watch any films anymore and the only watching of anything I do is to get a whole series of some program and start watching 3 or 4 episodes a night if I enjoy it.

Full series I've seen:
24 day 7 3/5
The Amazing Race season 14 3/5
The Amazing Race season 15 2/5
The Apprentice / You're Fired / Hired 2/5
The Apprentice / You're Fired / Hired (Irish series 2) 2/5
Burn Notice season 2 2/5
Cracker series 1 5/5 - The best repeat viewing of the year
The Fixer series 1 4/5
The Fixer series 2 3/5
Generation Kill 4/5
Grey's Anatomy season 5 2/5
Hornblower (not really a series, but I did watch them all again) 4/5
House season 5 3/5
Hustle series 5 3/5
Kingdom series 1 3/5
Kingdom series 2 3/5
Kingdom series 3 2/5
Lie To Me season 1 2/5
Life on Mars series 1 2/5
Masterchef 3/5
The Mentalist 2/5
NCIS season 1 2/5
NCIS season 2 3/5
NCIS season 3 3/5
NCIS season 4 3/5
The No. 1 Ladies Detective Agency 3/5
Prison Break season 4 1/5
Ross Kemp on Pirates 3/5
Single Handed 3/5
Sons of Anarchy season 1 5/5 - The best show I've seen so far this year
South Park season 1 4/5
South Park season 2 2/5
Spiral series 1 3/5
Spooks series 1 3/5
Spooks series 2 4/5
Spooks series 3 3/5
Spooks series 4 3/5
Spooks series 5 4/5
Spooks series 6 4/5
Spooks series 7 3/5
Spooks series 8 3/5
State of Play 4/5
The Shield season 1 4/5
The Shield season 2 4/5
The Shield season 3 3/5
The Shield season 4 2/5
The Shield season 5 3/5
The Shield season 6 4/5
The Shield season 7 3/5
The State Within 4/5
Survivor Tocantins 2/5
University Challenge 3/5
Wallander (English) 3/5
Wire in the Blood series 1 4/5
Wire in the Blood series 2 3/5
Wire in the Blood series 3 3/5
Wire in the Blood series 4 4/5
Wire in the Blood series 5 3/5
Wire in the Blood series 6 3/5

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RE: Top 50 TV Shows you've watched this year - 27/4/2009 12:19:52 PM   
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ER Season 2
South Park Season 11
ER Season 1
South Park Season 8
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