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World Exclusive: First Look At Tintin - 17/4/2009 5:30:23 PM   
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- 17/4/2009 5:30:23 PM   
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Woo!

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Ruiners - 17/4/2009 6:55:13 PM   
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Way to ruin the picture.

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RE: World Exclusive: First Look At Tintin - 17/4/2009 7:04:43 PM   
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Almost anything with Spielberg behind it, ends up incredible. But I'm still worried about how this will look visually.

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CGI sucks - 17/4/2009 7:30:29 PM   
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RE: CGI sucks - 17/4/2009 7:46:33 PM   
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 Did I hear exclusive access? That'll be another 5 star Empire review then. Damn I'm a cynical bastard.

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Peter Jackson - 17/4/2009 7:53:26 PM   
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Dude, thats Peter Jackson in the back

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- 17/4/2009 7:58:52 PM   
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RE: - 17/4/2009 8:10:28 PM   
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- 17/4/2009 9:00:32 PM   
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RE: Peter Jackson - 17/4/2009 9:16:39 PM   
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Dude, thats Peter Jackson in the back


...and Looking 20 years younger, that CGI they are using in the film is amazing!

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Geez... - 17/4/2009 9:42:54 PM   
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 was it so complicated to do it as a normal movie and not in mo cap? All these directors wanting to do motion capture are killing me, we already lost Zemeckis because of that, please stop... I will never never understand their sudden fascination for a technology that is, to me, only used for fantasy character, or CGI (if necessary). They will end up with retarded too-close-to-human-to-be-true moves and dead eyes, bloody brilliant...
And it's no good for the 3D "keyframe" animation industry either, I work in it, believe, we are annoyed and frustrated...

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- 17/4/2009 10:01:44 PM   
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 The whole point is there won't be dead eyes. It's essentially an animated film that will be a Herge strip come to life, and the mo-cap was just so Spielberg could find a way to direct his first animated film (he was just going to produce it before Jackson gave his proposal).

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Well... - 17/4/2009 10:31:47 PM   
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 ...I love Steven Spielberg - he truly is a Master - thing is though, why TINTIN? I'd much rather have seen the long-awaited LINCOLN Biopic or INTERSTELLAR, what happened to that? Still, I'm jazzed about the fact that Spielberg is teaming up with Peter Jackson and of course, elsewhere Jackson is gonna HOBBIT things up with Del Toro.

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Not exactly revealing........... - 17/4/2009 10:54:21 PM   
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HMMMMMM, Polar express, Beowulf, jar jar binks. All great advertisments for mo-cap huh? (that was rhetorical peeps)

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F.Y.I. I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO....... - 17/4/2009 10:58:14 PM   
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The Spielberg/Hanks follow up to Band of Brothers, called PACIFIC, apparently the most expensive mini series ever, this deals with the second world war from the perspective of the Marines in the Pacific. Can't wait.

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Don't care who does it, motion capture animation is sou... - 17/4/2009 11:07:41 PM   
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Having been in the visual effects industry for six years, my opinion on motion capture hasn't changed - it's still far too artificial (even for a company as talented as Weta) and makes me think of the rotoscoping techniques that Disney used to "achieve" realistic animation. Hate this sort of thing to bits.

Technology should be used to complement a performance or story - not to completely replace it.

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RE: Don't care who does it, motion capture animation is... - 18/4/2009 12:42:55 AM   
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I guess I understand why they're doing this, an intricate part of Tintin is the character design and the detailed yet highly artifical world.
If it was done selectively, when it seemed suitable, I would buy that it's not about the techinique for the sake of the technique. But Spielbeard & Buddies seems hellbent on it being The Future.

Mo-cap, 3D, and any of that other fancy new fun stuff really isn't the future, or whatever timezone it is they want it to be. It's just new toys, toys that can be used wonderfully, but they have no value just sitting there, not doing much more than being.

Hope it will be a fine version of Herge's character though. No need to hope for lousy shit, that'll arrive no matter what. And the same goes for Cameron's Blue People movie, Zemeckis umpteenth attempt, and all the many other people dabbling in this...

If they're fine, I'm not ready to say it's because of the technique though. It could be because they're good movies.


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RE: Don't care who does it, motion capture animation is... - 18/4/2009 11:25:23 AM   
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Mo-Cap sounds like a great name for a gangster rapper...

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RE: Don't care who does it, motion capture animation is... - 18/4/2009 12:02:30 PM   
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quote:

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And the same goes for Cameron's Blue People movie, Zemeckis umpteenth attempt, and all the many other people dabbling in this...



That did make me chuckle.

I do like the fact they're blue, ties in with Hindu mythology where the Gods's avatars are depicted as blue-skinned.

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RE: Don't care who does it, motion capture animation is... - 18/4/2009 12:48:22 PM   
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Wonder why I can't reply to people...

Guess it's because I'm a sad little newbie.

Anyway, I've got nothing against blue people, my racism isn't that advanced, and I'm sure it makes sense within the film, both thematically and otherwise. I trust in Jim as a storyteller, even if he seems to be a little too enamored with this whole new line of toys.

Also, Mo-Cap's got a whole new sort of bling out, can be bought retail. It looks sort of silly, but they promise it'll be awesome at some point.


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Three Reasons I wont be watching it.... - 18/4/2009 12:54:23 PM   
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 1) Jamie Bell
2) Andy Serkis
3) Its Animated!

My two least favourite actors (nay PEOPLE) in the world in a CG version of Tin Tin? No thanks!

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RE: Three Reasons I wont be watching it.... - 18/4/2009 12:59:10 PM   
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1) why do the actors have to have their names written on their tops? incase steve forgets?

2) took me a couple of seconds to realise the 4th person was not a scruffy tramp, alas, it was peter jackson!

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Isn't Tin Tin, well, a bit boring for a film? - 18/4/2009 2:37:43 PM   
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Perhaps it is just me, but I find the whole idea of a Tin Tin film rather uninspiring. I do recall reading them as a child, but they do not seemed to have lingered long in my consciousness. It seems a shame to waste so much time, talent and money on something so underwhelming. There must be better tales to tell than this one.
I remember when a Spielberg film was something to look forward to, something to excite. When was this last the case? The Crystal Skull film lacked nearly all the verve, wit and inventiveness of the previous instalments, and some of the directing and ideas (gotta blame Lucas for those, I guess) were woeful - of a Stephen Sommers standard, in my opinion.
Perhaps we've just got to come to terms with the fact that the era of great Spielberg is done. My question is, who is gonna take the lead from here?

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I'd love to see another popcorn Spielberg movie - 18/4/2009 5:52:56 PM   
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 but not one like this!
It's gonna have to be absolutely incredible - or rather, the greatest mo-cap movie of all time. It's gotta be so good people will be dumbstruck.
But you know what? I have a horrible feeling in my gut that it's just gonna be crap.
As someone said earlier, souless twaddle.

Bring on the REAL adventure movies!

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Hey, will you watch your words? - 19/4/2009 6:45:56 AM   
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Never judge a work of art when it is not finished yet. You might swallow your words up later on.

You'll never know how fascinating Tintin and his friends are. Discover them yourselves. You'll see.


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RE: Hey, will you watch your words? - 19/4/2009 4:52:19 PM   
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RE: Isn't Tin Tin, well, a bit boring for a film? - 19/4/2009 8:37:29 PM   
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The Tintin universe is wonderful, filled with oportunities for classic adventure, comedy, action, all the sort of things Spielberg originally got famous for (whether or not it's what he does best, could maybe be discussed), so I understand why he's been trying to get this off the ground for so many years. There's ancient treasures, a crazy scientist, globe trotting etc etc...
I'm not saying it's a slam dunk to make it come alive. There's a certain deliberate emptiness to the main character, works great on the page where he's the reader's stand-in, an avatar, which could be difficult to translate to film. That and the very stylized character design overall.
But I think it's fair enough if they give Tintin a bit more personality, it's not the same medium after all, and clearly the CGI choice is tied in with the second problem.

If it sucks, I don't think the comic should be blamed.


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Probably the first time in years.... - 20/4/2009 12:42:14 PM   
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...I haven't been excited about a Spielberg film, or a Jackson one for that matter. I had no interest in reading Tintin when I was younger, and I have no interest in seeing it on the big screen and I can't understand why either of them would put so much effort into this.

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RE: - 20/4/2009 12:45:56 PM   
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The whole point is there won't be dead eyes. It's essentially an animated film that will be a Herge strip come to life, and the mo-cap was just so Spielberg could find a way to direct his first animated film (he was just going to produce it before Jackson gave his proposal).


Well you are right in the middle of the problem, "it's essentially an animated film", and I say no.

Motion Capture is NOT animation.

It's Motion Capture, it's a technology that captures people moving in a green space, it's not animation, and I wish the movie websites could repeat that a bit more often instead of calling everything 3D "animation".

Spielberg has an animation studio, it's called Dreamworks, and he had a way to do it as a real animation project. He also has actors hired to play the roles and could have done a live movie. Instead, he just jumps into the craziness of Mo Cap, and I can already see how they will call it "its first animated movie", when it's not. It's like when they tried to put Boewulf in the line for best animated feature film, I wanted to cry, it's my whole industry which was offended, even Pixar began adding a small thing in their credits :"“Our Quality Assurance Guarantee: 100% Genuine Animation! No motion capture or any other performance shortcuts were used in the production of this film.”

Geez, I guess it was too complicated for him to do a Pixar level movie animated à la mano by a studio of animators and make a REAL animated movie, eh...
This plus Indiana Jones, I can no longer admire him like I used to, and it makes me really sad...


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