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RE: The Cryptozoology Thread - 18/2/2009 6:19:16 PM   
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I remember reading articles by this fella ages ago, and he was on Who wants to be a Millionaire one night.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_Shuker

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RE: The Cryptozoology Thread - 18/2/2009 6:44:09 PM   
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 One of my favourite stories is about mammoths.

Now, we are to assume that they died out about 10,000 years ago..............

But, the Yakuts of Siberia still dig them out. The tusks of at least 100,000 have been disinterred from the ice in the last two to three hundred years. When a body has been found the meat was cooked for their dogs. It's as fresh as the day it was frozen ( Captain Birdseye would be proud..........)

The Yakuts seem to think that the mammoth is still around. In fact, they think that the reason that they aren't seen, but their bodies are found underground, is that they burrow, like moles.

Jeez, I thought I had problems on my lawns..................

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RE: The Cryptozoology Thread - 19/2/2009 12:38:27 PM   
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 Interesting stuff.... just found this on wikipedia. A list of all the supposed monsties out there. confirmed and unconfirmed!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cryptids



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RE: The Cryptozoology Thread - 19/2/2009 12:47:38 PM   
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Interesting stuff.... just found this on wikipedia. A list of all the supposed monsties out there. confirmed and unconfirmed!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cryptids








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RE: The Cryptozoology Thread - 19/2/2009 12:48:13 PM   
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 Interesting list!  I'll need to give it a proper look later.

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RE: The Cryptozoology Thread - 19/2/2009 1:28:15 PM   
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quote:

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Interesting stuff.... just found this on wikipedia. A list of all the supposed monsties out there. confirmed and unconfirmed!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cryptids




That list is hilarious. 3 confirmed cases! One is a genetic mutation that created a wooly cheetah and the other is a polar/grizzly hybrid and another is a white killer whale (another genetic mutation).

Not exactly like finding a unicorn, is it?!

The thing that people forget is that for something like the Loch Ness monster to have existed in the lake for so long, there would have to be a massive supply of food for it and it would have to have been a descendant from millions of years of 'nessies'. You'd think they'd have found the odd bone here and there.

For the most part cryptozoology is nonsense. No doubt there are plenty of animals left for us to discover but a dinosaur? Bullshit of the highest order, I'm afraid.

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RE: The Cryptozoology Thread - 19/2/2009 1:59:17 PM   
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For the most part cryptozoology is nonsense. No doubt there are plenty of animals left for us to discover but a dinosaur? Bullshit of the highest order, I'm afraid.



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RE: The Cryptozoology Thread - 19/2/2009 2:04:00 PM   
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For the most part cryptozoology is nonsense. No doubt there are plenty of animals left for us to discover but a dinosaur? Bullshit of the highest order, I'm afraid.




That's the problem, right there!

Not saying you are like this, Timon, but most people believe in stuff because they want to believe in it. The reality of it doesn't really enter into it.

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RE: The Cryptozoology Thread - 19/2/2009 2:06:49 PM   
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For the most part cryptozoology is nonsense. No doubt there are plenty of animals left for us to discover but a dinosaur? Bullshit of the highest order, I'm afraid.




That's the problem, right there!

Not saying you are like this, Timon, but most people believe in stuff because they want to believe in it. The reality of it doesn't really enter into it.


But no, what about meta phyiscal stuff, auras, ley lines, Glastonbury and Stone'enge?

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RE: The Cryptozoology Thread - 19/2/2009 2:14:26 PM   
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But no, what about meta phyiscal stuff, auras, ley lines, Glastonbury and Stone'enge?


What about them?

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RE: The Cryptozoology Thread - 19/2/2009 2:16:34 PM   
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 Jeez Wilbert, you're really putting my imagination in its place...

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RE: The Cryptozoology Thread - 19/2/2009 2:19:03 PM   
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But no, what about meta phyiscal stuff, auras, ley lines, Glastonbury and Stone'enge?


What about them?


Sorry, that was meant to be sarcastic. I find the subject interesting but there is a lack of hard evidence and too many self proclaimied experts who seem to know everything about the animals in question without the thing officially existed. Like you said about the Loch Ness Monster; it needs a food source and Loch Ness isn't the most productive lake. Also if it's an air breathing reptile it (actually dozens) should be seen more often.

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RE: The Cryptozoology Thread - 19/2/2009 2:19:57 PM   
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Jeez Wilbert, you're really putting my imagination in its place...


Yeah, take that, Timon's imagination!!!!

and that! and that!

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RE: The Cryptozoology Thread - 19/2/2009 2:22:41 PM   
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Sorry, that was meant to be sarcastic. I find the subject interesting but there is a lack of hard evidence and too many self proclaimied experts who seem to know everything about the animals in question without the thing officially existed. Like you said about the Loch Ness Monster; it needs a food source and Loch Ness isn't the most productive lake. Also if it's an air breathing reptile it (actually dozens) should be seen more often.


I didn't take it as sarcastic, Woger.

I think the case for nessie is a simple one. Scientists know how much food a creature of nessie's size would need, they know what foods she would need and they know if the lake and surrounding environment could support an animal that size.

Also, Loch Ness must be one of the most observed lakes in the world and the sightings are few and far between. The sonar experiments were pretty conclusive. There's nothing there.

What were you saying about ley-lines etc?

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RE: The Cryptozoology Thread - 19/2/2009 2:51:56 PM   
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 Did someone say albino killer whale?



Moby-Dick?


Not really a cryptid either, but interesting anyway!

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RE: The Cryptozoology Thread - 19/2/2009 4:30:08 PM   
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Pizzly
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A distant cousin. The result of long Alaskan nights with nothing to do.

We don't like to speak about that side of the family................

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RE: The Cryptozoology Thread - 19/2/2009 7:41:00 PM   
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zuiyo_Maru

A 'most likely a ...' will not do for me.

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RE: The Cryptozoology Thread - 19/2/2009 8:17:05 PM   
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I wouldn't exactly call myself an expert on the subject, but my guess is that someone simply invented the Loch Ness Monster as a way to turn their town into a tourist attraction. If you do a little research on it sees that their has been quitea bit of planted "evidence" for it over years, or evidence that turned out to be something completely different. For example, two students found a supposed tooth of Nessie stuck in a dead deer, which later turned out to be the antler of a muntjac. They were probably pretty embarrassed about it, as they had already set up a website about it before the truth was found! 

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RE: The Cryptozoology Thread - 19/2/2009 10:03:12 PM   
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 No, I think it has more to do with the idea of being famous for capturing the beast, or proving somehow that it exists.  Look at the sensation the "surgeon's photo" achieved when it was published...



Nessie was around looooong before that image was even created!

Who wouldn't want to be the one who found Nessie/Sasquatch etc...?

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RE: The Cryptozoology Thread - 19/2/2009 10:14:25 PM   
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 When it comes to Loch Ness I like the "giant eel" theory in that most eels leave the Loch periodically but one or two may stay there all their lives and become quite large. Anyone not familiar with just how big they can get may mistake a wake on the water as having something even larger under.

Do I wish there was a dinosauer living in the Loch? Sure. Do I think one is in there? Sadly no. If there was something of that size in there it may have died out this century.

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RE: The Cryptozoology Thread - 19/2/2009 11:04:41 PM   
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zuiyo_Maru

A 'most likely a ...' will not do for me.


I can tell you what it is least likely to be, if you like.

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RE: The Cryptozoology Thread - 19/2/2009 11:15:46 PM   
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When it comes to Loch Ness I like the "giant eel" theory in that most eels leave the Loch periodically but one or two may stay there all their lives and become quite large. Anyone not familiar with just how big they can get may mistake a wake on the water as having something even larger under.

Do I wish there was a dinosauer living in the Loch? Sure. Do I think one is in there? Sadly no. If there was something of that size in there it may have died out this century.


I'd be most inclined to go with the eel theory as well.  However, it'd have to be an unusually large freshwater eel as opposed to something like a conger eel (which gets up to 10ft and over 100kg - and their heads are as big as my thigh! ). 

The big problem with the dinosaur-type theory is that for an animal that size (according to some of the sightings) to survive in the loch, it needs a viable food supply.  For there to be a colony, there'd need to be much more.  A problem Steve Alten encountered when writing Meg, no doubt!

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RE: The Cryptozoology Thread - 19/2/2009 11:30:30 PM   
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No, I think it has more to do with the idea of being famous for capturing the beast, or proving somehow that it exists.  Look at the sensation the "surgeon's photo" achieved when it was published...



Nessie was around looooong before that image was even created!

Who wouldn't want to be the one who found Nessie/Sasquatch etc...?


I read somewhere (damned if I can remember where) that supposedly when this photo was taken there was a circus in town. The elephant keeper used to let his elephants off to nearby lakes to let them have a bit of a swim. It's certainly possible that it's an elephant trunk you can see.

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RE: The Cryptozoology Thread - 19/2/2009 11:31:59 PM   
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quote:

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No, I think it has more to do with the idea of being famous for capturing the beast, or proving somehow that it exists.  Look at the sensation the "surgeon's photo" achieved when it was published...



Nessie was around looooong before that image was even created!

Who wouldn't want to be the one who found Nessie/Sasquatch etc...?


I read somewhere (damned if I can remember where) that supposedly when this photo was taken there was a circus in town. The elephant keeper used to let his elephants off to nearby lakes to let them have a bit of a swim. It's certainly possible that it's an elephant trunk you can see.


Funnily enough, I did read something similar on Wiki this very evening to that effect!

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RE: The Cryptozoology Thread - 19/2/2009 11:37:35 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Funkyrae


quote:

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No, I think it has more to do with the idea of being famous for capturing the beast, or proving somehow that it exists.  Look at the sensation the "surgeon's photo" achieved when it was published...



Nessie was around looooong before that image was even created!

Who wouldn't want to be the one who found Nessie/Sasquatch etc...?


I read somewhere (damned if I can remember where) that supposedly when this photo was taken there was a circus in town. The elephant keeper used to let his elephants off to nearby lakes to let them have a bit of a swim. It's certainly possible that it's an elephant trunk you can see.


Funnily enough, I did read something similar on Wiki this very evening to that effect!


That picture was debunked a few years back. One of the people behind it confessed.

What I don't understand is those people who went on a submarine tour of the Loch. Its pretty scary just with the dark peat meaning you can't see that far in front of you, but even the possibiltiy of a monster would make me very uneasy.

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RE: The Cryptozoology Thread - 19/2/2009 11:41:33 PM   
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 Bricks would indeed be shat........

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RE: The Cryptozoology Thread - 20/2/2009 1:09:25 AM   
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That picture was debunked a few years back. One of the people behind it confessed.

What I don't understand is those people who went on a submarine tour of the Loch. Its pretty scary just with the dark peat meaning you can't see that far in front of you, but even the possibiltiy of a monster would make me very uneasy.


I'm here to allay that fear, Rgirvan44!!!

There is no possibility that a dinosaur descendant lives or lived in Loch Ness in the past 65 million years!

One less thing to worry about, eh?

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RE: The Cryptozoology Thread - 20/2/2009 1:13:31 AM   
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 Technically, birds are direct descendants of dinosaurs...

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RE: The Cryptozoology Thread - 20/2/2009 1:17:57 AM   
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Technically, birds are direct descendants of dinosaurs...


Indeed they are, Incanus. Although, I seriously doubt that Nessie is going to turn out to be some giant dino-swan!

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RE: The Cryptozoology Thread - 20/2/2009 2:02:07 AM   
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