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RE: Very good film - with a few flaws - 2/3/2009 12:19:02 PM   
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Fantastic film. Walt is one of the most engrossing characters ever put on the screen and his relationships with Tao and Sue are touchy and funny.  A film soaked in emotional pulls and instant classic scenes - The Barbershop, the job 'interview', the BBQ etc...  Another iconic film from Eastwood, who has given me my two favourite cinema moments in the past year with this and Changeling.

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fantastic - 2/3/2009 4:20:31 PM   
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i have just watched this awesome film & left the cinema (along with others) in complete silence, it is testament to clint on what a fantastic director he is, such a powerful movie & a real choker at the end, why this movie didn't get 5 stars or more importantly an oscar nod is a travesty, nevermind though mr Eastwood, i feel the public will vote with their hard earned cash worldwide, in a word.....unforgetable

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RE: fantastic - 2/3/2009 9:54:32 PM   
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Can't quite believe the high praise this is receiving.
I saw it tonight and whilst it's by no means a bad film it could certainly be a lot better. There's a lot of pointlessness to it and i don't think i've ever wanted to shout "Get on with it!" in a cinema as many times as i did with this.

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RE: fantastic - 3/3/2009 9:24:23 PM   
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If Gran Torino is Clint Eastwood's last turn in front of a camera,than it's a perfect finale.   It's very much like watching an old Dirty Harry,and has many of the themes that Eastwood has dealt with in many of his films [in fact in some ways it's closest to Unforgiven],along with a pro-racial element which is rather on the nose but still quite pleasing.   Although not an action movie there are plentiful scenes of Eastwood acting hard and simply very cool the way he always has done,and if the second half of the movie gets a little bogged down with the many scenes between him and the Chinese boy who he befriends  [not helped by the young actor's shaky performance],it revives for a climax which is both expected and subtly different in the way it plays out.  Small scale and slow,but totally absorbing and in the end very touching,this is a great way to sign off.   Maybe one for the Eastwood fans,but that's fine with me.

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Superb film - 4/3/2009 12:33:03 PM   
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Beautifully structured and not afraid to skip obvious visual beats - I loved the way you never saw the titular Gran Torino in motion. Easily the most deliciously un-PC film since Team America, and in places just as funny, though you can see why the screenplay wouldn't get a deserved Oscar nomination. After the cool effeciency of Changeling and the Iwa Jima movies, this is easily Eastwood's best, most effecting film since Million Dollar Baby.


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Ever reliable Clint - 4/3/2009 11:37:40 PM   
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Terrific film, more laughs than I would have expected from this sort of film and a nicely paced story. With so few quality films being produced these days it's frightening to think that Clint might one day retire.

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RE: Gran Torino - 5/3/2009 12:24:59 AM   
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I saw this the other day and it's one of the best films I've seen in ages. I agree basically with everything in the review. I think it's probably Clint's best film since "In The Line of Fire". It was a packed cinema when I saw it, and for once this meant a great atmosphere rather than some cretin hogging the arm rests, with everyone laughing at the same time at Clint's unbelievable un PC comments. Great script, fantastic characters and a real intelligence behind what could have been just a simple tale of redemption. I'm interested as to why it didn't merit the fifth star though.

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Gran Torino - 5/3/2009 4:03:10 PM   
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Great film with a simple premise. There was more laughing in the cinema with this film than in Tropic Thunder too, ironically. Clint was awesome and there was some great tension, I only drop a star because of a few below par performances and a slight sag in the middle.

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carry on clint - 5/3/2009 5:54:29 PM   
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am I missing something here? this is a tired rehash of a film in which the once great Eastwood makes a complete parody of himself........ if this is the swansong it is a sour sign-off for a cinematic great now content to peddle mediocre and cliched material.

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A VERY GOOD VINTAGE.... - 6/3/2009 11:46:54 AM   
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What is it with Clint Eastwood? The man just can't stop making entertaining and thought provoking movies. Age doesn't seem to wither him - in fact - he seems to be revelling in his advancing years and Gran Torino is his most touching and accessable work yet. Go ahead....make your day! Go see!

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A VERY GOOD VINTAGE.... - 6/3/2009 11:48:29 AM   
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What is it with Clint Eastwood? The man just can't stop making entertaining and thought provoking movies. Age doesn't seem to wither him - in fact - he seems to be revelling in his advancing years and Gran Torino is his most touching and accessable work yet. Go ahead....make your day! Go see!

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A VERY GOOD VINTAGE.... - 6/3/2009 11:48:30 AM   
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What is it with Clint Eastwood? The man just can't stop making entertaining and thought provoking movies. Age doesn't seem to wither him - in fact - he seems to be revelling in his advancing years and Gran Torino is his most touching and accessable work yet. Go ahead....make your day! Go see!

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RE: A VERY GOOD VINTAGE.... - 6/3/2009 2:52:57 PM   
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I really enjoyed this film.  Thoughtful and well paced and very funny in places (although the kind of funny you feel guilty about laughing at).   I saw Walt as how Dirty Harry would have turned out in old age.  Grumpy and full of anger at past memories.   Still menacing though.

The relationship he built up with his next door neighbours was well done.  Him trying to do everything he could to put them off and them persevering (and succeeding).

It didn't end up how I expected (or wanted to) but thinking about it, it was the right ending.  Sad to think it's his last ever film but suppose he has to stop sometime.

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RE: A VERY GOOD VINTAGE.... - 7/3/2009 7:46:58 PM   
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I was genuinely moved at the end.If this is to be his final on screen performance then what a way to go.

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The best eastwood film in ages! - 7/3/2009 8:54:14 PM   
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Just watched Gran Torino. Extremely funny, moving, touching and bloody good. It's the feelgood film that Slumdog wasn't quite. Think the review was a star short. The cscreen took ages to empty, which is always a sign of a cracking film. Great supporting actors too.

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this punk makes your day - 8/3/2009 8:10:23 AM   
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really enjoyable and deserves 5 stars empire. surprisingly funny, funnier than role models or sex drive. hope clint doesnt retire yet

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RE: Very good film - with a few flaws - 8/3/2009 9:45:03 PM   
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I was left feeling totally puzzled as to why the film seemed to trail off in the last 15 minutes towards a complete cop out of an ending.

The film is a great portrayal of a bitter man, although we never fully realise why he is so bitter, especially as he was married to the love of his life all those years. It ventures into a nicely original community-spirit tale, uniting different cultures in a satisfying way.

But the ending was just strange and horribly cheesy. In fact, the ending displayed half the intelligence of the rest of the film, which had worked so hard up until that point.

Eastwood is without a doubt one of the greatest, most important film icons of our time, but this is certainly no 'Unforgiven'. Still, it's an engrossing movie, if a little lacking in the weight we're used to from Clint.

3/5

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RE: Very good film - with a few flaws - 8/3/2009 9:48:48 PM   
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I thought the ending was (although completely unexpected) the right one.  He'd had his life, he was ill and the only way to give his neighbours, and more importantly Tahl, a chance at their life was to trap the gang.  To do this he gave his life.   Spot on in my opinion.

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RE: Very good film - with a few flaws - 8/3/2009 9:52:04 PM   
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Yes, but it was too 'Hollywood'. I thought the main guts of the film was nicely Indie, unusual with some great performances from unknowns and naturals. But the ending seemed tacked on, and seemed to belong to another film.

I understand totally why the character did what he did, but I thought it was a little too unbelievable. I've seen this kind of ending before so I was disappointed they didn't come up with something more unexpected.

Plus the whole religious arc was a complete cop out.

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RE: Very good film - with a few flaws - 8/3/2009 10:07:02 PM   
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See, the ending was completely unexpected for me.  I thought he was going to go in there all guns blazing 

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You guys couldn't be more wrong - 9/3/2009 1:10:57 PM   
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I dote on Empire's reviews. I think for the large part they are the most accurate and interesting reviews around. They mostly match my sensibility, and when they don't, there is usually enough in there I agree with. However for this film, I completely disagree. Firstly, the performances of everyone in the cast except Clint were terrible. Thao and Sue were by far the worst, although they were hardly given a chance thanks to the terrible dialogue throughout the film. Truly awful stuff. And with respect to the song at the end, it was appropriate i suppose, because everything else in the film didn't work, but come on, Clint Eastwood (a SPOILER! - a dead character) singing about the title of the film. Fuck off, Empire. That was the worst thing to happen in film since Marky Mark in the Happening.

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Unforgiven meets Dirty Harry - 9/3/2009 1:55:14 PM   
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If Unforgiven was Eastwoods bitter testament to the violent and immoral days of The Dollars Trilogy then Gran Torino is equally heartbreaking look at the Dirty Harryesque vigilantism and machismo which maked his career in the 70's and 80's. What can a man do in the time when masculinity has been reduced to a bitter joke or turned into disgusting and sexist gang violence? Can ge chance himself or the world in which he's living?

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RE: Gran Torino - 9/3/2009 5:19:10 PM   
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This film has got to be one of the best of films of the year, Clint Eastwood has done an amazing job and in my opinion i dont think anyway could of done a better job than clint. Before this film i wasnt really a big Clint Eastwood fan, but now i am proud to say i am and it's a shame he wont be acting anymore.

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RE: Gran Torino - 10/3/2009 1:11:36 PM   
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I went in with reasonable high hopes - Clint rarely lets us down.

Some aspects of the film were great. As always, Clint is fantastic, pretty much owning the screen as soon as he appears. The story was reasonably well paced and had a thought provoking ending. That said, it was unnecessary for the policeman at the end to explain what had happened to us - we're not idiots.

The main flaw was the supporting cast. They were appalling. Sue was simply embarrassing - I'm assuming this is her first acting role. Her timing was way off and the scene when Clint rescued her from 3 bullies was dire. They were pushing her around and it looked like a school play.

Thao seemed to be better, but this was because he was basically mute for the first half of the film. In the one scene where he was required to display some real emotion (when he was locked in the basement), he failed woefully.

The film was good, not great and was ultimately let down by an inexperienced supporting cast. Special mention should go the the priest who managed to give the worst performance. Also - what was with his sudden swearing (pissed off) and blasphemy (Jesus Christ)... it didn't fit with a character who was steady in his faith, but willing to expand his mind to the actual sufferings of the world.


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RE: Very good film - with a few flaws - 10/3/2009 1:12:41 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: jrewing1000

I was left feeling totally puzzled as to why the film seemed to trail off in the last 15 minutes towards a complete cop out of an ending.

The film is a great portrayal of a bitter man, although we never fully realise why he is so bitter, especially as he was married to the love of his life all those years. It ventures into a nicely original community-spirit tale, uniting different cultures in a satisfying way.

But the ending was just strange and horribly cheesy. In fact, the ending displayed half the intelligence of the rest of the film, which had worked so hard up until that point.

Eastwood is without a doubt one of the greatest, most important film icons of our time, but this is certainly no 'Unforgiven'. Still, it's an engrossing movie, if a little lacking in the weight we're used to from Clint.

3/5


A cop out for me would have been the action type ending which i thught was coming.

SPOILERS
The ending made sense to me because I thought lot of Walts anger came from the fact that he thought he didn't deserve the medal he won in the war and by comitting the brave act he done something truely brave.
Anyway great film and I hope Eastwood hasn't retired.

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RE: Gran Torino - 10/3/2009 1:30:36 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: jmebaby25

I went in with reasonable high hopes - Clint rarely lets us down.

Some aspects of the film were great. As always, Clint is fantastic, pretty much owning the screen as soon as he appears. The story was reasonably well paced and had a thought provoking ending. That said, it was unnecessary for the policeman at the end to explain what had happened to us - we're not idiots.

The main flaw was the supporting cast. They were appalling. Sue was simply embarrassing - I'm assuming this is her first acting role. Her timing was way off and the scene when Clint rescued her from 3 bullies was dire. They were pushing her around and it looked like a school play.

Thao seemed to be better, but this was because he was basically mute for the first half of the film. In the one scene where he was required to display some real emotion (when he was locked in the basement), he failed woefully.

The film was good, not great and was ultimately let down by an inexperienced supporting cast. Special mention should go the the priest who managed to give the worst performance. Also - what was with his sudden swearing (pissed off) and blasphemy (Jesus Christ)... it didn't fit with a character who was steady in his faith, but willing to expand his mind to the actual sufferings of the world.




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RE: Gran Torino - 10/3/2009 11:03:54 PM   
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It was a great film for the sheer pleasure of seeing Clint do his thang. The fact that the film around his central performance wasn't too shabby only adds to the pleasure. In his various ways of being silent, Eastwood conveys more than can possibly be put into words.

Nuff said.

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RE: Gran Torino - 12/3/2009 10:43:24 PM   
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Loved it!! Clint was amazing and it genuinely moved me to tears - my film of the year so far!

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RE: Gran Torino - 12/3/2009 10:44:03 PM   
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Loved it!! Clint was amazing and it genuinely moved me to tears - my film of the year so far!

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I just don't understand ... - 17/3/2009 11:02:18 AM   
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... the glowing praise this so-called "masterpiece" has received. The only positive for me was Clint, and even then his 2 dimensional racist - all the slopes, gooks and spooks stuff - was a real let down. But in terms of the rest of the film -
1) not one of the supporting cast was any good, Sue and Thao in particular were amazingly poor, especially after I'd seen so many comments praising Sue's performance - she looked like she was struggling to read off an autocue
2) Clint's fairly rapid transformation into a friendly neighbourhood racist, rather than just the miserable git racist he was before -utterly unconvincing
3) The "how to be a man" lesson for Thao
4) The whining priest and his feeble efforts to prevent what happens
5) And Clint singing at the end of the film? I guess no-one had the guts to tell him how bad it sounded

and then the biggest disappointment of all - the ending

SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER

The ending wasn't brave, it was tragic. Isn't it great that the only way Clint can save the kid and get the gang punished is if the gang kills him and then the police have to get involved? Of course, up to that point the community keeps its mouth shut - the girl's been raped, they nearly killed the boy and his family -no problem, don't say a thing. White guy gets himself killed, then they have to do the 'right' thing and act as witnesses? Please.

I expected a lot more from this film - this has only been praised because of Clint and all the films he's done that we actually have enjoyed.

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