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RE: Are there any directors we can agree on who hasn't ... - 5/2/2009 8:23:27 PM

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Mmm... I'd still go so far as to call the Passion a 'bad' film. Yes it's the Bible, but I still believe melodrama to be failing.

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RE: Are there any directors we can agree on who hasn't ... - 5/2/2009 8:26:07 PM

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I'd agree with you if it wasn't for The Man Without A Face. Not a bad film but very ordinary.

Perhaps, I caught it randomly on TV one night years back and was hooked from start to finish.

Stahl was great and I loved the scenes with his sister.

Ending always stuck with me too.

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RE: Are there any directors we can agree on who hasn't ... - 5/2/2009 8:35:18 PM

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So thus far, everyone's agree on Christopher Nolan?

I'm tempted to say people like Matthew Vaughn, Judd Apatow, Edgar Wright and JJ Abrams but they've only done 2 feature films max so it's kind of unfair... but decent track record so far!

How about Ron Howard? Sure the Da Vinci Code was slow but he's done Willow, Apollo 13, Ransom, A Beautiful Mind etc

I agree with Ed Zwick and Mel Gibson though...

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RE: Are there any directors we can agree on who hasn't ... - 5/2/2009 8:41:54 PM

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Havem't see his two other films but what about Nicholas Meyer (Wrath of Khan and Undiscovered Country)

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RE: Are there any directors we can agree on who hasn't ... - 5/2/2009 8:51:35 PM

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Oooh ooh...John Hughes!

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RE: Are there any directors we can agree on who hasn't ... - 5/2/2009 8:57:04 PM

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Oooh ooh...John Hughes!

Have to agree, I even like his much ridiculed Curly Sue.

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RE: Are there any directors we can agree on who hasn't ... - 5/2/2009 8:58:59 PM

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Harold Ramis?

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RE: Are there any directors we can agree on who hasn't ... - 5/2/2009 9:36:13 PM

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I'd go with Fincher as well

Eyes Wide Shut is bollocks

No way. It might not be everyones cup of tea and the ending fizzles out but there is no way it is a bad film. It may be Kubricks worst and some might consider it a failure but at the very least it is an interesting failure.

If Eyes Wide Shut is viewed as a bad film then what word are we going to use for PW Andersons films?

Dire? Abysmal? Excretable?

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RE: Are there any directors we can agree on who hasn't ... - 5/2/2009 9:54:09 PM

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Christopher Nolan for sure imo, Paul Thomas Anderson as well. I've not seen all of Kubrick's output but i've not seen a film he's made i didn't like, though i've yet to see and probably won't see Eyes Wide Shut. David Fincher hasn't put a step wrong as far as i can tell. Even Panic Room, though a safe bet, was a solid thriller. I really like all of Wes Anderson's films but then he's pretty much been making the same film all his career.

Brett Ratner's been pretty strong as well...

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RE: Are there any directors we can agree on who hasn't ... - 5/2/2009 10:00:36 PM

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Oooh ooh...John Hughes!

Nope. Ferris Bueller is a complete load of tripe. You know it's true. When you are 16,17 he seems the coolest kid in the world. Get to mid 30's he is suddenly just a cocky little shit who doesn't give a damn about anyone or anything.

I'll agree with Nolan though. Class in every film he has made.

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RE: Are there any directors we can agree on who hasn't ... - 5/2/2009 10:08:31 PM

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Oooh ooh...John Hughes!

Nope. Ferris Bueller is a complete load of tripe. You know it's true. When you are 16,17 he seems the coolest kid in the world. Get to mid 30's he is suddenly just a cocky little shit who doesn't give a damn about anyone or anything.

I'll agree with Nolan though. Class in every film he has made.

Bueller is a complete git. if i knew him in real life, i'd want to smack him. However because it's the 80's he gets away with it. If he existed today he'd be one of those "cooler than real life, this is just what teenage life should be like and if you don't relate to this show or aspire to be like these kids then you're a failure' teenagers in Skins.

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RE: Are there any directors we can agree on who hasn't ... - 5/2/2009 10:12:18 PM

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quote:

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ORIGINAL: Timon

Oooh ooh...John Hughes!

Nope. Ferris Bueller is a complete load of tripe. You know it's true. When you are 16,17 he seems the coolest kid in the world. Get to mid 30's he is suddenly just a cocky little shit who doesn't give a damn about anyone or anything.

I'll agree with Nolan though. Class in every film he has made.

I would have said Curly Sue, but hey...

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RE: Are there any directors we can agree on who hasn't ... - 5/2/2009 10:59:33 PM

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Got a few words for you.

K-U-B-R-I-C-K

Any film fan would agree with me.

three words, eyes wide shut

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RE: Are there any directors we can agree on who hasn't ... - 5/2/2009 11:01:11 PM

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We will never agree on a director who hasn't made a bad film, as no-one has the same opinion.

This thread is kind of pointless and a bit, dare i say it, stupid.

the whole point is too see if we can agree, an experiment. if experimentation is stupid then...

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RE: Are there any directors we can agree on who hasn't ... - 5/2/2009 11:17:55 PM

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I'd go with Fincher as well

Eyes Wide Shut is bollocks

No way. It might not be everyones cup of tea and the ending fizzles out but there is no way it is a bad film. It may be Kubricks worst and some might consider it a failure but at the very least it is an interesting failure.

If Eyes Wide Shut is viewed as a bad film then what word are we going to use for PW Andersons films?

Dire? Abysmal? Excretable?

I hope you spend a fucking eternity in hell, also known as Bruges.

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RE: Are there any directors we can agree on who hasn't ... - 5/2/2009 11:19:35 PM

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Terence Malick
Paul Thomas Anderson
Stanley Kubrick
Kristof Kieslowski
Andrie Tarkovsky
Charles Luaghton

There are at least three choices
I will be the first to disagree on Nolan, having hated Batman Begins and The Prestige.

Also, I don't think Billy Wilder, Preston Sturges, Howard Hawks and Akira Kurosawa ever made a completely bad film either.

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RE: Are there any directors we can agree on who hasn't ... - 5/2/2009 11:26:24 PM

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Sam Mendes.

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RE: Are there any directors we can agree on who hasn't ... - 5/2/2009 11:30:30 PM

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Christopher Nolan hasnt made a good film yet in my opinion.

Fixed.

I'd go for Lynch, but I haven't seen Dune yet, and can't comment on its quality (it looks shit).

So I'll go with Kubrick. Eyes Wide Shut is a classic. Anyone who doesn't like is just someone who went to see it thinking it was going to be a Cruise/Kidman bonkfest.

Tarantino
Fincher (just, Panic Room was a bit off)
Richard Kelly (Southland Tales is extremely underrated)

It could hardly be over rated as hardly any one likes it. I thought it was bollocks, I am still uncertain if it was supposed to be funny, if it was it mostly failed.

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RE: Are there any directors we can agree on who hasn't ... - 5/2/2009 11:32:12 PM

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Christopher Nolan, as mentioned above.

Memento, Insomnia, The Prestige and those two low budget ones about the batfella.

Also Paul Thomas Anderson.

Hard Eight, Boogie Nights, Magnolia (in my all time top 5), Punch Drunk Love (fantastic) There will be blood

have to disagree on that one. PDL has no redeeming features, well except that it ends.

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RE: Are there any directors we can agree on who hasn't ... - 5/2/2009 11:34:44 PM

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So thus far, everyone's agree on Christopher Nolan?

I'm tempted to say people like Matthew Vaughn, Judd Apatow, Edgar Wright and JJ Abrams but they've only done 2 feature films max so it's kind of unfair... but decent track record so far!

How about Ron Howard? Sure the Da Vinci Code was slow but he's done Willow, Apollo 13, Ransom, A Beautiful Mind etc

I agree with Ed Zwick and Mel Gibson though...

didn't vaughn do layer cake? that was tripe.

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RE: Are there any directors we can agree on who hasn't ... - 5/2/2009 11:36:14 PM

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I'd go with Fincher as well

Eyes Wide Shut is bollocks

No way. It might not be everyones cup of tea and the ending fizzles out but there is no way it is a bad film. It may be Kubricks worst and some might consider it a failure but at the very least it is an interesting failure.

If Eyes Wide Shut is viewed as a bad film then what word are we going to use for PW Andersons films?

Dire? Abysmal? Excretable?

Give me p w anderson films over eyes wide shut anyday.

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RE: Are there any directors we can agree on who hasn't ... - 5/2/2009 11:41:15 PM

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Sam Mendes.

*awaits the haters of American Beauty*

hmmm, could be, not a huge fan of american beauty but solid output.

Nolan is pretty consistant

I seem to be in a minority about paul thomas anderson, but good damn I hate punch drunk love.

No one else has mentioned alex proyas, not even to debunk the idea.

george lucas

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RE: Are there any directors we can agree on who hasn't ... - 5/2/2009 11:56:03 PM

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Christopher Nolan, as mentioned above.

Memento, Insomnia, The Prestige and those two low budget ones about the batfella.

Also Paul Thomas Anderson.

Hard Eight, Boogie Nights, Magnolia (in my all time top 5), Punch Drunk Love (fantastic) There will be blood

have to disagree on that one. PDL has no redeeming features, well except that it ends.

Ah, no. No. No. PDL is fantastic. Great soundtrack, acting(amazingly), visuals, direction, themes and use of colour.

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RE: Are there any directors we can agree on who hasn't ... - 5/2/2009 11:57:33 PM

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ORIGINAL: krudler

I'd go with Fincher as well

Eyes Wide Shut is bollocks

No way. It might not be everyones cup of tea and the ending fizzles out but there is no way it is a bad film. It may be Kubricks worst and some might consider it a failure but at the very least it is an interesting failure.

If Eyes Wide Shut is viewed as a bad film then what word are we going to use for PW Andersons films?

Dire? Abysmal? Excretable?

Give me p w anderson films over eyes wide shut anyday.

No, just no again. Eyes Wide Shut has quality in it. Be it acting, lighting, direction......WS Anderson's films have absolutely none. Not even fun.

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RE: Are there any directors we can agree on who hasn't ... - 6/2/2009 12:01:33 AM

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Christopher Nolan, as mentioned above.

Memento, Insomnia, The Prestige and those two low budget ones about the batfella.

Also Paul Thomas Anderson.

Hard Eight, Boogie Nights, Magnolia (in my all time top 5), Punch Drunk Love (fantastic) There will be blood

have to disagree on that one. PDL has no redeeming features, well except that it ends.

Ah, no. No. No. PDL is fantastic. Great soundtrack, acting(amazingly), visuals, direction, themes and use of colour.

It had a soundtrack? I didn't notice for all the so called acting, althoughit was refreshing to see adam sandler play a different type of retard

I thought it looked like a poor dtudent film. was it supposed to be funny? it didn't make me smirk, in fact it failed to inspire anything except rage about the fact I had been suckered into watching it.

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RE: Are there any directors we can agree on who hasn't ... - 6/2/2009 12:07:16 AM

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I'd go for Lynch, but I haven't seen Dune yet, and can't comment on its quality (it looks shit).

So I'll go with Kubrick. Eyes Wide Shut is a classic. Anyone who doesn't like is just someone who went to see it thinking it was going to be a Cruise/Kidman bonkfest.

Tarantino
Fincher (just, Panic Room was a bit off)
Richard Kelly (Southland Tales is extremely underrated)

Kill Bill vol. 2.
Jackie Brown.

Really?! Jackie Brown is genius. It properly marries everything that made Tarantino's early stuff great with a maturity and depth of realistic characterisation in the two leads (Grier and Forster, not De Niro and Jackson who are classic fun Tarantino charicatures). If only he had kept making movies like this he would be a worthy contender for "never made a bad film", as it is there's Death Proof, so he doesn't quite make it.

I think that if you discount the people who have only made two or three films, it is almost impossible to have a successful directing career without ever making a bad film. Christopher Nolan has done incredibly well to rack up success after success (and that's just for six films, a longer run of success is even harder to find), I genuinely love every single one of his movies, but inevitably there will come a time when he doesn't get it right. That, however, won't stop him being one of the most interesting directors out there. Fincher, for example, is always worth watching out for and has made a few outright modern classics in his short career, but I certainly wouldn't say he's never made a bad film (by which I don't refer to the derivative but enjoyable enough Alien3 but rather The Game which starts with promise but really peters out into something quite low rent and overly implausible).

I'd go with Guillermo Del Toro of those suggested above, Blade 2 is an exercise of style over substance but it is a slick, entertaining comic book picture and Mimic is a trash but quite enjoyable b-picture with moments of genuine smarts and style, everything else he's done is properly great.

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RE: Are there any directors we can agree on who hasn't ... - 6/2/2009 12:09:49 AM

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Christopher Nolan, as mentioned above.

Memento, Insomnia, The Prestige and those two low budget ones about the batfella.

Also Paul Thomas Anderson.

Hard Eight, Boogie Nights, Magnolia (in my all time top 5), Punch Drunk Love (fantastic) There will be blood

have to disagree on that one. PDL has no redeeming features, well except that it ends.

Ah, no. No. No. PDL is fantastic. Great soundtrack, acting(amazingly), visuals, direction, themes and use of colour.

It had a soundtrack? I didn't notice for all the so called acting, althoughit was refreshing to see adam sandler play a different type of retard I thought it looked like a poor dtudent film. was it supposed to be funny? it didn't make me smirk, in fact it failed to inspire anything except rage about the fact I had been suckered into watching it.

Yes, it was quite a good soundtrack, far better than the noise Zimmer is composing recently. Acting was good. Sandler's usual character is made bearable trough some emotion and it was a good mix of surrealism and realism. And if all student films look liked this than all the films we should have today should be of the quality of Die Hard, Three Colours or There Will Be Blood. They aren't. They are shit sometimes, like those WS Anderson films, who have the quality of film made by six year olds.

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RE: Are there any directors we can agree on who hasn't ... - 6/2/2009 12:10:16 AM

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I'd go with Fincher as well

Eyes Wide Shut is bollocks

No way. It might not be everyones cup of tea and the ending fizzles out but there is no way it is a bad film. It may be Kubricks worst and some might consider it a failure but at the very least it is an interesting failure.

If Eyes Wide Shut is viewed as a bad film then what word are we going to use for PW Andersons films?

Dire? Abysmal? Excretable?

Give me p w anderson films over eyes wide shut anyday.

No, just no again. Eyes Wide Shut has quality in it. Be it acting, lighting, direction......WS Anderson's films have absolutely none. Not even fun.

Still, I'd rather watch Event Horizon than Eyes Wide Shut, it manages to keep my attention regardless of whether the latter has better lighting.

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RE: Are there any directors we can agree on who hasn't ... - 6/2/2009 12:11:42 AM

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as no one else is going to say it. Paul W Anderson, while you may say there is a reason no one has said it I argue against that.

Mortal Kombat was the first half decent game to screen transition.

Event horizon is genuinely excellent.

Soldier is a fair action movie and is misunderstood.

resident evil succeeded more than failed, it was the sequel that was dire.

AVP, I would say it was a fair stab, I dont think anyone could have made a great film from that.

Death race is a very good dumb action film.

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RE: Are there any directors we can agree on who hasn't ... - 6/2/2009 12:17:19 AM

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I'd go with Fincher as well

Eyes Wide Shut is bollocks

No way. It might not be everyones cup of tea and the ending fizzles out but there is no way it is a bad film. It may be Kubricks worst and some might consider it a failure but at the very least it is an interesting failure.

If Eyes Wide Shut is viewed as a bad film then what word are we going to use for PW Andersons films?

Dire? Abysmal? Excretable?

Give me p w anderson films over eyes wide shut anyday.

No, just no again. Eyes Wide Shut has quality in it. Be it acting, lighting, direction......WS Anderson's films have absolutely none. Not even fun.

Do good parts make a great whole? apparently not, I agree eyes wide shut is well made and mostly well acted but it still wasn't a good film, in my opinion obviously, As for paul w andersons, how can you say death race isn't fun? and event horizon is quality throughout. as for others... I could barely defend some of his movies in my post about him being a great director

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