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One of the Greatest Directors - 5/2/2009 8:56:03 PM   
JoKeRJaMeZ

 

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1: Kubrick
2: Scorcese
3: Spielberg
4: Coppola
5: Boyle
6: Fincher
7: Stone
8: Scott
9: Nolan
10: Tarantino

the issue looks great by the way

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One of the Greatest Directors - 5/2/2009 8:56:26 PM   
JoKeRJaMeZ

 

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1: Kubrick
2: Scorcese
3: Spielberg
4: Coppola
5: Boyle
6: Fincher
7: Stone
8: Scott
9: Nolan
10: Tarantino

the issue looks great by the way

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- 5/2/2009 9:10:05 PM   
ernest

 

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I just remembered why I stopped buying this magazine, because of the constant brown nosing of this guy. All common sense seems to go out the window when reviewing his films. Automatic 5 stars until they come onto dvd or video in the old days and then suddenly somebody sees sense and gives them the 2 star rating they deserve.

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ernest - 5/2/2009 10:22:31 PM   
Hanna

 

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You are a bellend.
Probably stop reading the website too then you tit.

Spielberg is a legend. Empire is superb. Fantastic news

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Fair Play! - 5/2/2009 10:28:57 PM   
dave123

 

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I think you have made a lot of your readers jealous! hope everyone involved at Empire has a fab time working with Spielberg. It just shows what a great job you all do to have such an amazing director wanting to contribute to your magazine! Its nice to see all your hard work recognised!

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OI! - 5/2/2009 10:35:01 PM   
leroythemasochist

 

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What happened to my post?
I only said I didn't think much about Tintin as a career move and that I loved Indy 4... Have I been censored??? My first Spielberg movie was Jaws, so I've been around a bit and have seen a few.
Love the guy but just not a fan of motion capture...

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Hanna - 6/2/2009 12:35:30 AM   
hamsolo77

 

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You are the bellend.

Spielberg has made a number of great films but you really need to step outside of the multiplex mentality and realise that just because Spielberg is Dawson's favourite director doesn't put him above criticism! His recent output is not a patch on his earlier works and he should not be considered untouchable.

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RE: RE: - 6/2/2009 2:14:55 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Mooncalf

quote:


On a sidenote, whether that comment was meant in jest or not, I think the Crystal Skull deserved four stars; it was an Indiana Jones move that hit most of the right notes. There's nothing to be gained by shooting down a less accomplished sequel compared to Raiders of the Lost Ark. And if you still aren't convinced, you must admit, Spielberg's direction was one of, if not the, best part of the movie, which was let down by a long period of script gestation.


I still think taken out of context - in other words, even when not compared to the rest of the trilogy - Crystal skull is an awful, awful movie. I enjoyed National Treasure 2 more for hecks sake. My fave film of last year was 'Hellboy 2' - so I'm all for big, fun, adventure movies with odd McGuffins, when done right! But Crystal Skull just terrible and seems to have only generated so much attention and cash because of the famous names attatched to it (character and director). Have to say it pleased me greatly that, after 57 pages of heated for and against forum debate about it in the movie review thread, the overall Empire reader rating for it was a mere 2 stars :)



The Golden Army was my favourite summer movie too, but that doesn't mean I can preach solidarity and brotherly love, and it doesn't change the fact that The Crystal Skull was far from awful. In fact, I'm still undecided as to the cause of this mass outrage; maybe the hype got to people; maybe they are slaves to whatever Matt Stone and Trey Parker say; maybe they just want to shoot down anything and everything.

It wasn't a great film, and my reasoning may have people thinking I loved it - because that is far from the truth - but it is a far better film than some like to say it is. In short, arbitary critiques and hyperbole are cheap tactics levelled at an undeserved target.

< Message edited by exandakane -- 6/2/2009 2:15:38 AM >

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RE: One of the Greatest Directors - 6/2/2009 2:16:49 AM   
exandakane

 

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quote:

ORIGINAL: JoKeRJaMeZ

1: Kubrick
2: Scorcese
3: Spielberg
4: Coppola
5: Boyle
6: Fincher
7: Stone
8: Scott
9: Nolan
10: Tarantino

the issue looks great by the way


Fincher, Tarantino, Boyle, Nolan and Stone?

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Hamsolo - 6/2/2009 3:04:55 AM   
Hanna

 

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Hush now. The point is is that Spielberg is guest editing Empire. Which is cool. Even if the geeks think his films of recent years are not as good as the older ones. I'm assuming this "Dawson" character is your gay uncle or something.

Also, fuck yourself!

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RE: RE: - 6/2/2009 4:54:20 AM   
KeithM


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quote:

ORIGINAL: exandakane
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It wasn't a great film, and my reasoning may have people thinking I loved it - because that is far from the truth - but it is a far better film than some like to say it is. In short, arbitary critiques and hyperbole are cheap tactics levelled at an undeserved target.


It is a deserved target, I'm afraid, abitrary emotional attachments and defensive hyperbole notwithstanding.

*sorry to all those who have done this to death already - once more for the road*

The story itself was hokey (and not in a good way), telegraphed and full of plot holes.  Never mind escapism - it breaks its own set of 'rules', established in the prior movies and pushed our willing suspension of disbelief too far - it nuked the fridge - and in doing so pushed the slightly comedic element of the franchise into the realms of farce.  We're supposed to believe that Indy's indestructability was because he was good/resourseful/quick thinking/lucky not because he's a cartoon character who cannot be hurt.  We lose that illusion, that subtle contract between film-maker and audience and the film is just people dressing up and acting silly.

The story didn't flow at all and jumped from set piece to exposition piece to set piece and back again, which gave the impression it was a case of 'right we need to get to this set piece next, how shall we do it?', with no sense of natural progression, instead of being a coherent, well worked out story.

Some of the characters were so badly handled that they could have been called The League of Expositionary Gentlemen (especially John the indestructablest old man ever Hurt who became a signpost for some explanationy stuff coming up).

Other performances ranged from the ok (Allen) to the embarassed (Ford) to the embarrassing (Blanchett).  Vat vas zhe zinking?  None of the leads were convincing in their roles (Allen being the best of the bunch) - all I saw were actors, acting.  Badly.  Never the characters they were supposed to be playing.  There were moments when Ford almost had it again, but he just looked embarrassed most of the time.  That was a bit heartbreaking to see, tbh.  There didn't even seem to be any particular effort made to cover up the fact that the 'bad guys' fighting Ford were clearly holding back (because they might hurt him/he couldn't move quickly enough for them to even look like they were trying?), unless it was clearly a stunt double.  Again, that was painful to watch and they really should have done something about it as it takes you out of the movie completely.

The plot elements were introduced and told so clumsily that I was expecting a twist of some kind at least, but no - early on they told us what was going to happen and happen it did.  So why should we care?  We know Ford, Allen and LeBoeuf were going to survive, we knew Blanchett was going to die/be cursed/getwhatshewishedforandregretit, the other characters weren't given enough development for us to give a damn about them and the story itself was so uninvolving that not even the 'journey' was enough to hold the interest.  So the rest of the film was a long straight road down which we could see all the way to the end, and the movie duly followed it without deviation or passing any interesting scenery en route.

The set pieces themselves were predictable, uninispiring and lacked any sense of true peril or spectacle, with the CGI looking positively unconvincing a good many times and leaving the audience disconnected emotionally from what's happening on screen.or to the characters.

It's flawed on so many levels, in fact, that it's truly difficult for me to understand how any professional movie reviewer could fail to spot them and rate the movie anything except badly, matters of taste and opinion notwithstanding.  If that movie was made by Anderson, Ratner, McG or any other 'journeyman' director, everyone would be calling for their heads.  Am I wrong?

Many of these flaws are due to the awful script - in simple craft and professionalism terms alone, it should have been more coherent, logically consistent internally and just better developed.  Inspired would have been nice, but half-way competent would have done.

Many of these problems are due to bad direction too - the director is supposed to get the best out of his actors, is in charge of the actual 'storytelling' and shapes the final product, so he is ultimately responsible for whether the film works, and with the best will in the world, it just doesn't.  Yes, yes, in my opinion, of course.  But if it did work, we wouldn't be having this conversation at all.  Frankly, I expect better from someone like Spielberg, even with a bad script, if only in terms of craft, even if he's not inspired enough to throw his heart and soul into it.  I completely acknowledge the man's talent and contribution to cinema, but this movie is not one of his better moments, it has to be said.

I have no problem with aliens.  Bring it on.  But where's the suspense, the awe, the sense of wonder, the thrill, the EMOTION?  Nowhere to be seen in Indy IV, I'm afraid.

I didn't see the South Park episode until after I'd seen Indy IV, btw.  I thought Stone & Parker went a bit easy on them tbh.

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RE: RE: - 6/2/2009 8:29:13 AM   
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hanna - 6/2/2009 9:54:27 AM   
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Hanna, apologies for the slightly over aggressive nature of my comment.... I may have been quite drunk at the time of posting!

I'm a big fan of my term multiplex mentality and stand by Spielberg not being untouchable, however I am on my to f@#k myself as I type and won't be hitting the forums after the pub for a little while!

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THE GREATEST MOVIE MAKER OF ALL TIME....... - 6/2/2009 10:12:41 AM   
boredbluekoala

 

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Has tackled almost every genre and given us pictures so good that we watch and re-watch them again and again. Every industry has superstars that others look to for inspiration, and Mr Spielberg is without doubt the very best of them. Long may he continue. (ALWAYS is in my top ten)

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Ditto Mark Dinning! - 6/2/2009 10:41:54 AM   
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Exactly the same...except i went to watch Jurassic Park!

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RE: Ditto Mark Dinning! - 6/2/2009 11:37:24 AM   
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ORIGINAL: chaskins_2004

Exactly the same...except i went to watch Jurassic Park!


Yep, same for me too. Scared the crap out of me when I first saw it in the cinema, but after that I wanted to know every detail of how the movie had been made, as the dinosaurs just looked so amazing. It inspired me to not only enjoy film but also to enjoy how they are created in the first place.

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All I Can Say Is... - 6/2/2009 5:38:51 PM   
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RE: One of the Greatest Directors - 6/2/2009 9:43:38 PM   
bozzy


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Bollocks
 
Empire write it all and spielberg edits jack shit except his own articles, if this is true i want speilberg to ring me personally on my number which empire can request and to print a letter signed by Mr Speilberg saying see Mr Bosanko i did really edit this magazine

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Jaws!!! - 9/2/2009 4:30:36 PM   
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My top film of all time is Jaws. I know it's dated now I still remember the first time I watched it. It was Quint in particular that memorised me. The demolition of the Orca in the film's climax had me shitting myself. Also, Saving Private Ryan, E.T. and Close Encounters are mint. Underrated films of his are 1941 and Empire of the Sun. For me Spielberg will always be the best director of all.

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No better director! - 14/4/2009 1:26:13 PM   
Andew Gray

 

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Spielberg's movies were there for me as a kid. It was Jurassic Park that got me into movies, and I watch E.T every year. Saving Private Ryan and the Indiana Jones movies- esspecailly the 'Raiders' films, played a big part in my love affair with cinema. Obviously Spielberg is one of those natural directors, born with good instincts.

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Amazing!! - 20/4/2009 3:03:29 PM   
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I love Spielbergs films and like has been said before I remember Jaws and Close Encounters from when I grew up and these along with ET and Raiders are some of my favourite of his films!!! People say he has lost it recently but absolutely no way is that true, he has just grown and his films with him (Schindler/Munich!) He not only made me excited about the cinema and what goes into but also inspired me to make my own films!!! A true legend of the cinema, I am looking forward very much to this issue dropping through my letterbox!!!

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