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RE: Chris Nolan. can he be considerded as one of Briti... - 23/3/2009 6:17:45 PM   
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I'd say he's up there for sure.

Momento - 10/10
Batman Begins - 10/10
The Prestige - 8/10
The Dark Knight - 10/10


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RE: Chris Nolan. can he be considerded as one of Briti... - 24/3/2009 3:45:17 PM   
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I'd go see a film with his name on the poster over alot of bigger actors out there. I also think his brother should get some credit too.

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RE: Chris Nolan. can he be considerded as one of Briti... - 8/3/2010 3:02:57 PM   
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I've seen Memento, Batman Begins, The Prestige and The Dark Knight, and I don't rate any of them higher than 2/5. He's certainly a crowd-pleaser, but I don't consider him a viable force in the art world.


Well, i'd agree that he's not the most visually artistic director, but when you have as intelligent and well-thought-out scripts as him then that's not so much of an issue.

I find it very strange that you rate his films so low. I'm getting the impression that alot of the people on this thread didn't really understand The Prestige.

Can someone on this thread who disliked The Prestige, or thought the story didn't make sense, explain to me exactly what they thought was wrong with the story?

And as for The Dark Knight? Surely that's not only the best 'comic book' film of the decade, but one of the best crime films of the decade full stop.

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The Prestige 10/10 ( cannot understand some of the flank this has got) if you have read the book you will understand what I great job he has done bring that story to the screan

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I have, he hasn't. Part of it isn't his fault though - once you see the characters one of the twists is obvious from the get go, leaving an advantage for the book.


Which twist is obvious from the get go? If you're talking about the Bale one, then i completely disagree, i don't think i know anyone who guessed it right from the start. There's moments later on when you're given clues, but i think it's very well built up. Well done if you guessed it, but if you read the book first then that's probably why...

I haven't read the book, but from what i've heard he's done an excellent job of adapting it. I know the rough story of the book and it sounded to me like some of the changes Nolan made were for the better. I mean according to wiki the author( Christopher Priest) saw the film three times as of January 5, 2007, and his reaction was "'Well, holy shit.' I was thinking, 'God, I like that,' and 'Oh, I wish I'd thought of that.'" That kind of settles the matter for me.


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RE: Chris Nolan. can he be considerded as one of Briti... - 22/3/2010 9:42:11 PM   
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If Inception is as inspiring as the little bits of footage so far show i'd say thats a small but breathtaking collection of made films.

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RE: Chris Nolan. can he be considerded as one of Briti... - 23/3/2010 12:38:54 PM   
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This is turning into quite and interesting thread and it certainly has some diverse opinions. I'm surprised that we have people who genuinely believe that Paul Anderson is a better director than Nolan or that Schumacher's Batman is better than The Dark Knight but such is the beauty of art debate.

As for neither TDK or Batman Begins being fun, well I just don't see it. Maybe because I'm a massive Batfan but seeing him glide over Hong Kong, or standing on a Gargoyle overlooking the city and generally being a world away from Schumacher's take make the films fun. The Joker's entrance, the action, seeing Batman done properly...makes it fun. I spent the entire 2 and a half hours of TDK absolutely and utterly enthralled. As for the Punisher being more realistic than Batman...simply not true. The Punisher is basically is Batman without the cape or moral code.

Moving away from the Bat films though we have a guy that has directed Memento and the Prestige both of which I thought were mini-masterpieces and even Insomnia which I though was good but not great was still miles ahead of most thrillers.

To my mind he is easily one of our best directors and Inception looks like it could be one of his most complex, entertaining and fun films yet.

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RE: Chris Nolan. can he be considerded as one of Briti... - 23/3/2010 12:53:53 PM   
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The Prestige was a bit like watching a magic trick which is all very entertaining until you catch sight of the hidden assistant part way through the act. I hadn't read the book, but the twist was fairly apparent early on, I thought, and once you see that, the rest of the film falls apart under too many contrivances and implausibilities, plus the shift from Victorian drama to sci-fi is rather jarring. So it inadvertedly ends up like a Tommy Cooper magic trick - the skill is obviously there, but you just end up laughing at the silliness of it instead.

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RE: Chris Nolan. can he be considerded as one of Briti... - 1/4/2010 5:25:56 PM   
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Yes.

For the 2 Batman films alone.

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RE: Chris Nolan. can he be considerded as one of Briti... - 22/4/2010 10:00:27 PM   
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The Nolans are a good team, fingers crossed for Inception being another hit.

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RE: Chris Nolan. can he be considerded as one of Briti... - 23/4/2010 1:18:23 AM   
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Very good point MOTH, I do think that film is his only misfire, and while I think he needs some more great ones under his belts to be considered a great, I do think Nolan's very much on his way, and when its all said and done will go down as a legend, OH YES I DID JUST SAY! And will face the music if it doesn't come to pass.

Right now while I don't think its been a great year so far for film, the fact we have a Nolan film coming out is a real reason to rejoince, its almost as exciting as when David Lync releases a film for me. Can't wait!

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RE: Chris Nolan. can he be considerded as one of Briti... - 24/4/2010 7:47:25 PM   
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I liked The Prestige a lot (there I said it!), okay it's a bit more easy going than something like The Dark Knight but that's no bad thing.
**SPOLIER**
When I re-watch it, it's more interesting to guess where the changes of the characters occur. It reveals a totally different scope to Christian Bale's character considering the love triangle that takes place.
For me The Dark Knight was way too amped up and lacked an ebb and flow to it's storyline. It was a great action film for the cinema I admit, but for me the whole thing felt in the red and up to 11 for two and a half hours.
I felt kind of exhausted after seeing it. However, I did go see it twice so I guess there was something there, but I actually prefer Batman Begins as an overall film.
I personally think he's one of the best working directors of today, though there's many other people to thank behind the scenes as well such as DP's and editors.
Inception does look great, fingers crossed he strikes gold again.
Leonardo DiCaprio is on fine form at the moment in my opinion after his great performance in Shutter Island.

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RE: Chris Nolan. can he be considerded as one of Briti... - 15/5/2010 10:21:21 PM   
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I think all of Nolan's movies so far have been excellent so I'd say he can be considered as one of the best!

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RE: Chris Nolan. can he be considerded as one of Briti... - 7/7/2010 1:17:04 PM   
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Nolan is turning out to be an awesome director

Memento 9/10
Insomnia 7/10
Batman Begins 9/10
The Prestige 10/10
The Dark Knight 10/10

High hopes for Inception too.

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RE: Chris Nolan. can he be considerded as one of Briti... - 7/7/2010 5:01:53 PM   
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The problem with The Dark Knight was that it made Batman almost redundant in his own film, it could easily have been a straightforward action film with John McClane as the hero rather than Batman.

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RE: Chris Nolan. can he be considerded as one of Briti... - 10/7/2010 9:43:07 PM   
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But you could say that happened in Batman Returns with Pagrin and Cat Woman, and certainly it is a problem with TDK too.  However one of the refreshing things about this that it was very much a character driven ensemble piece, where every role was just as important as the others.  And because the story took on so much more than previous Batman film's I do think that papered over some of the cracks.

I said it at the time than Nolan is the new Hitchcock, and I will stand by that.  Maybe you can pick holes in the Batman film, but what he's doing with them on this sort of level has never been done before, to turn a poplar hollywood blockbuster into a ar house film, and not to comprmise your vision is quite something, and I don't think I can remember another example.

Will I be going this friday? will I ever! its maybe the movie event of the year for me, and yes I know that sounds cheesy

As for the compeasions with the likes of Boyle?  Well  Boyle has a greater volume of work, and most of them have been strong films (including a couple of master pieces), and is more of a natural storyteller, then again I would say Boyle is the slightly more safer of the two, Nolan takes far more chances, and basically devolps far more complex characters and stories, and his films are viserally very good too. 

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RE: Chris Nolan. can he be considerded as one of Briti... - 28/7/2010 12:17:40 AM   
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After Inception-this is a ridiculous question.
Absolutely yes.

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RE: Chris Nolan. can he be considerded as one of Briti... - 28/7/2010 8:30:39 AM   
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After Inception he certainly can be considered as one of Britian's best directors.

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RE: Chris Nolan. can he be considerded as one of Briti... - 28/7/2010 4:44:10 PM   
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Inception is his best film yet. And after rewatches...

Memento - 5/5
Insomnia - 4/5
Batman Begins - 4/5
The Prestige - 4/5
The Dark Knight - 5/5
Inception - 5/5

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RE: Chris Nolan. can he be considered as one of Britain... - 28/7/2010 5:09:02 PM   
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Since everyone's done it here, I'll rate his films, but rank them too.

01. Inception - 9/10
02. The Dark Knight - 9/10
03. The Prestige - 9/10
04. Memento - 9/10
05. Batman Begins - 8/10
06. Insomnia - 8/10
07. Doodlebug (short) - 7/10

In answer to the question the thread poses, unquestionably, yes. Four undoubted masterpieces, two superb films, and a witty short film. (It's on Youtube, check it out.) It's interesting that the Batman films really do split the audience, yet his non-Batman films are more unanimously accepted as brilliant cinema.

Incidentally, 7/10 and 8/10 both translate as four stars, and 9/10 and 10/10 both translate as five stars, if considering the above ratings within a 5 star rating. I like to rate out of 10 to keep that 10/10 rating for the truly, unutterably phenomena of film-making. 

(Although, there is something for the French way of marking. Apparently, 8/10 is the highest mark you can get. 9/10 is reserved for teachers. 10/10 is reserved for God. I rather like that.)


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RE: Chris Nolan. can he be considered as one of Britain... - 28/7/2010 5:30:44 PM   
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I don't think it's a question anymore of him being Britain's best director but simply one of the best in the world working at the moment.

6 major feature films since Following (which I shamefully haven't seen) and he hasn't even come close to making a bad film. My ratings would be:

Inception 5/5
Dark Knight 5/5
Memento 5/5
Batman Begins 4/5
Prestige 4/5
Insomnia 4/5

The guy is simply a stunning director.

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RE: Chris Nolan. can he be considered as one of Britain... - 28/7/2010 7:06:18 PM   
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(Although, there is something for the French way of marking. Apparently, 8/10 is the highest mark you can get. 9/10 is reserved for teachers. 10/10 is reserved for God. I rather like that.)



When was the last time God made a film as good as Inception?

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RE: Chris Nolan. can he be considered as one of Britain... - 28/7/2010 7:24:42 PM   
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Also its ridiculous to have an out of 10 rating and never rate out of ten.

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RE: Chris Nolan. can he be considered as one of Britain... - 28/7/2010 8:20:04 PM   
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(Although, there is something for the French way of marking. Apparently, 8/10 is the highest mark you can get. 9/10 is reserved for teachers. 10/10 is reserved for God. I rather like that.)



When was the last time God made a film as good as Inception?


God made Creation.

Although, to be fair, aside from Bettany and Connolly's performances, it was a bit of a weak film.


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RE: Chris Nolan. can he be considerded as one of Briti... - 28/7/2010 8:25:33 PM   
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So...what your saying is, effectively Nolan > God? Because Rawls thought I was overrating Nolan the other day, wait till he hears about this.

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RE: Chris Nolan. can he be considerded as one of Briti... - 29/7/2010 12:25:14 PM   
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Inception is his best film yet. And after rewatches...

Memento - 5/5
Insomnia - 4/5
Batman Begins - 4/5
The Prestige - 4/5
The Dark Knight - 5/5
Inception - 5/5


Memento - 4/5
Insomnia - 4/5
Batman Begins - 4/5
The Prestige - 4/5
The Dark Knight - 5/5
Inception - 5/5

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RE: Chris Nolan. can he be considerded as one of Briti... - 29/7/2010 1:58:52 PM   
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Hes the best filmaker working today.British or otherwise.

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RE: Chris Nolan. can he be considerded as one of Briti... - 29/7/2010 11:22:12 PM   
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This is turning into quite and interesting thread and it certainly has some diverse opinions. I'm surprised that we have people who genuinely believe that Paul Anderson is a better director than Nolan or that Schumacher's Batman is better than The Dark Knight but such is the beauty of art debate.

As for neither TDK or Batman Begins being fun, well I just don't see it. Maybe because I'm a massive Batfan but seeing him glide over Hong Kong, or standing on a Gargoyle overlooking the city and generally being a world away from Schumacher's take make the films fun. The Joker's entrance, the action, seeing Batman done properly...makes it fun. I spent the entire 2 and a half hours of TDK absolutely and utterly enthralled. As for the Punisher being more realistic than Batman...simply not true. The Punisher is basically is Batman without the cape or moral code.

Moving away from the Bat films though we have a guy that has directed Memento and the Prestige both of which I thought were mini-masterpieces and even Insomnia which I though was good but not great was still miles ahead of most thrillers.

To my mind he is easily one of our best directors and Inception looks like it could be one of his most complex, entertaining and fun films yet.

I read back through the posts on this..
I am genuinely astounded
Anderson?Death Race?Schumacher's Batman?They all suck!Anderson's career reads like the money people gave the gig to the tea lady-awful films,done,well,awfully.
The original Batman films were more like the Adam West Batman-and that makes Flash Gordon look contemporary!
Nolan brings storytelling and characterisation to his films-something Anderson and to a less guilty,but incomparable level Scumacher do not.

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RE: Chris Nolan. can he be considerded as one of Briti... - 30/7/2010 8:05:07 PM   
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I stated earlier that I think Nolan's an average director, especially with his Batman films, but Inception blew me away! I doubt there will be a better film this year.

My rankings
Memento 3/5
Insomnia 2/5
Batman Begins 2/5
The Prestige 3/5
The Dark Knight 2/5
Inception 5/5

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RE: Chris Nolan. can he be considerded as one of Briti... - 2/8/2010 1:12:14 AM   
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I disagree on two counts, firstly the only avenge film he has made is the Prestige, the rest have ranged from good to very good.  And second I am still not convinced of Inception as being his master piece, yes its another very good film, and marks another, unique chapter in his career, but I still think a couple of poor performances, and some rambling scenes keep it below things like Memento and The Batman films for example.  Althrough Inception is something I am inching to see again.

After Inception my Nolan list looks likes:

Memento 9/10
Batman Begins 9/10
Insomnia 8/10
The Dark Knight 8/10
Inception 8/10
The Following 7/10
The Prestige 6/10


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RE: Chris Nolan. can he be considerded as one of Briti... - 2/8/2010 2:04:11 AM   
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I rate:

Memento: 8/10
Insomnia: 8.5/10
Batman Begins: 9/10
The Prestige: 7.5/10
The Dark Knight: 10/10
Inception: 10/10

Overall, incredible consistency, and I always anticipate his next feature.

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RE: Chris Nolan. can he be considerded as one of Briti... - 2/8/2010 12:31:14 PM   
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He can absolutely be considered one of Britain's best at the moment. His body of work has been that successful and critical acclaimed that of course he deserves to be considered as one of the best currently working. If there's one criticism I would lodge against him, it's that he hasn't varied himself enough - most of his work follows much the same noir tone. Would be nice for him to try something a little different.

For me, I'd say Insomnia is his best film hands down. Just the way he handled Al Pacino and Williams so early in his carrier - it's a fantastic film, expertly put together, that just piles on twists and turns until the end.

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