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RE: Chris Nolan. can he be considerded as one of Briti... - 15/1/2009 11:15:58 AM   
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Yeah, why would a guy who fights in the shadows, using stealth to his advantage and is dressed in black have ninja training? That's like a police having gone to police academy, which is just wrong.


Indeed, I really can't understand this gripe he has with the ninjas in Batman Begins.



The ninja training facility just seems rotten to me.............very rotten. It's almost a lazy way out.............

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RE: Chris Nolan. can he be considerded as one of Briti... - 15/1/2009 2:28:38 PM   
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I have to say that was the only section of BB than i didn't like about from that i thought it was a flawless comic book epic

The thing is you call pick bad films out from all the Directors mentioned, but it's about the overiding impression they leave and if their true autuers for me Nolan is.

By the way with all the names thrown out there you've all just reinforced the case that Britain has a very strong level of directors.  Lets not forget some of the talented Horror Directors also coming out of these isles like Neil Marshall and Marc Evans.  And how about Edger Wright?  Seems we're not doing too bad after all, it's just no one really talks about us.

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RE: Chris Nolan. can he be considerded as one of Briti... - 15/1/2009 6:14:23 PM   
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 He's def on the way to becoming one of the greatest without doubt. He's young and could still do so much so great movies so he's on the right road.

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RE: Chris Nolan. can he be considerded as one of Briti... - 15/1/2009 7:06:24 PM   
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 As much as I enjoy Batman Begins and The Dark Knight, the fight scenes I did think were lacking. It didn't really bother me before, but I watched V For Vendetta recently for the first time and V's fight scenes were so much better. Regardless of your thoughts on the rest of the film, there was a clarity to the fighting and a menacing/intimidating air to the character that Batman kinda lacked. I'm thinking specifically of the opening scene when V saves Evey from the policemen. I hope Nolan improves alot in this area were he to attempt more action scenes.  

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RE: Chris Nolan. can he be considerded as one of Briti... - 18/1/2009 10:27:49 AM   
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hes pretty dam good, well his movies are anyway, so that will prob mean hes a good director, though i havnt seem ALL of them, ive heard nothing but good things about them, and the ones i have seen are definitely up there amongst my favourites, so hes pretty good. 

I say wait till hes been around longer and directed more movies.  But hes on the way to being one of the best imo


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RE: Chris Nolan. can he be considerded as one of Briti... - 18/1/2009 9:57:31 PM   
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 His definatly up there with some of the all time best. IMO every movie hes made is top notch.. He is currently my fav director alongside Danny Boyle and David Ficncher

1 Insommia 8/10
2 Mommento 9/10
3 Batman Begins 9/10
4 The Prestige 10/10  ( cannot understand some of the flank this has got) if you have read the book you will understand what I great job he has done bring that story to the screan
5 The Dark Knight 10/10

I cannot wait for more of his movies.

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RE: Chris Nolan. can he be considerded as one of Briti... - 18/1/2009 10:45:53 PM   
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I'd go for..

Following - not seen
Memento - 9/10
Insomnia - 8/10
Batman Begins - 8/10
The Prestige - 8/10
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RE: Chris Nolan. can he be considerded as one of Briti... - 19/1/2009 9:08:35 AM   
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4 The Prestige 10/10  ( cannot understand some of the flank this has got) if you have read the book you will understand what I great job he has done bring that story to the screan


I have, he hasn't. Part of it isn't his fault though - once you see the characters one of the twists is obvious from the get go, leaving an advantage for the book.

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RE: Chris Nolan. can he be considerded as one of Briti... - 19/1/2009 10:54:10 AM   
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 Definitely. All of his films IMO are at least solid 4 star movies. If Tarantino could be heralded as a genius after Dogs, Pulp and Brown and Singer after only Suspects, then why not?

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RE: Chris Nolan. can he be considerded as one of Briti... - 19/1/2009 2:44:47 PM   
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RE: Chris Nolan. can he be considerded as one of Briti... - 20/1/2009 5:45:51 PM   
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I'm suprised by the lack of love for The Prestige, possibly his best work in my opinion.

The Following - Not Seen
Memento - 7/10
Insomnia - 5/10
Batman Begins - 5/10
The Prestige - 7/10
The Dark Knight - 6/10


Paul W.S. Anderson made Event Horizon and for that he I will always give him the benefit of the doubt, oh and the Resident Evil films as well! Maybe he is better then Nolan and maybe not but Nolan is trying hard to make serious films, Anderson is making fun films so the comparison is unfair I think.

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RE: Chris Nolan. can he be considerded as one of Briti... - 20/1/2009 6:32:18 PM   
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I'm suprised by the lack of love for The Prestige, possibly his best work in my opinion.

The Following - Not Seen
Memento - 7/10
Insomnia - 5/10
Batman Begins - 5/10
The Prestige - 7/10
The Dark Knight - 6/10


Paul W.S. Anderson made Event Horizon and for that he I will always give him the benefit of the doubt, oh and the Resident Evil films as well! Maybe he is better then Nolan and maybe not but Nolan is trying hard to make serious films, Anderson is making fun films so the comparison is unfair I think.



No anyone who makes AvP doesn't deserve the benifit of the doubt he made that film with serious intentions so don't give us this 'he was making fun films' cobblers as all his films have a serious tone the only reason why they considered fun by people is because they are literally that shit and cant help being laughed at ...he is garbage and not even in the shadow ever evolving and talented Nolan. But he has a long way to go to consider himself being the best.


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RE: Chris Nolan. can he be considerded as one of Briti... - 20/1/2009 8:30:54 PM   
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No anyone who makes AvP doesn't deserve the benifit of the doubt he made that film with serious intentions so don't give us this 'he was making fun films' cobblers as all his films have a serious tone the only reason why they considered fun by people is because they are literally that shit and cant help being laughed at ...he is garbage and not even in the shadow ever evolving and talented Nolan. But he has a long way to go to consider himself being the best.


I think you have misconstrued the word "fun" with "funny" I didn't say Andersons films are funny and to be laughed at, I said fun, like Death Race for example, that was sheer fun, Resident Evil is a fun film to watch, hell even AvP isn't as bad as everyone makes out and is quite fun to watch.
Event Horizon on the other hand is a masterpeice and quite possible one of the most atmospheric and frightning horror movies in of the 90's.

I think the reason people dislike him so much is that he makes sci-fi movies for people who don't like sci-fi movies, I know many sci-fi fans who dismiss EH as it doesn't go into details as to how the ship could go where it does, but as a horror fan the how it happened doesn't matter, it did just roll with it.

The impression I get from Anderson is that he is in on the fun side of his movies, did anyone honestly think "ah Death Race that sounds like a serious look at how the prison system could well escalate into a media endorsed murder fest, I love political movies this ones for me!" No of course they didn't, they thought Death Race, cars and death, sounds like fun, which I am sure was Andersons reaction when he was offered to remake it.

Nolan on the other hand takes everything waaaaay too seriously, especially considering he is make movies about a man who dresses as a giant bat, now that is a premise that should be fun!

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RE: Chris Nolan. can he be considerded as one of Briti... - 20/1/2009 8:35:06 PM   
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Nolan on the other hand takes everything waaaaay too seriously, especially considering he is make movies about a man who dresses as a giant bat, now that is a premise that should be fun!


Depends how you are looking at the Batman myth. He decided that he'd look at Batman in a world we can relate to...looking at why Bruce Wayne decided to become Batman...The fun versions have been done many a time before.


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RE: Chris Nolan. can he be considerded as one of Briti... - 20/1/2009 8:59:47 PM   
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No anyone who makes AvP doesn't deserve the benifit of the doubt he made that film with serious intentions so don't give us this 'he was making fun films' cobblers as all his films have a serious tone the only reason why they considered fun by people is because they are literally that shit and cant help being laughed at ...he is garbage and not even in the shadow ever evolving and talented Nolan. But he has a long way to go to consider himself being the best.


I think you have misconstrued the word "fun" with "funny" I didn't say Andersons films are funny and to be laughed at, I said fun, like Death Race for example, that was sheer fun, Resident Evil is a fun film to watch, hell even AvP isn't as bad as everyone makes out and is quite fun to watch.
Event Horizon on the other hand is a masterpeice and quite possible one of the most atmospheric and frightning horror movies in of the 90's.

I think the reason people dislike him so much is that he makes sci-fi movies for people who don't like sci-fi movies, I know many sci-fi fans who dismiss EH as it doesn't go into details as to how the ship could go where it does, but as a horror fan the how it happened doesn't matter, it did just roll with it.

The impression I get from Anderson is that he is in on the fun side of his movies, did anyone honestly think "ah Death Race that sounds like a serious look at how the prison system could well escalate into a media endorsed murder fest, I love political movies this ones for me!" No of course they didn't, they thought Death Race, cars and death, sounds like fun, which I am sure was Andersons reaction when he was offered to remake it.

Nolan on the other hand takes everything waaaaay too seriously, especially considering he is make movies about a man who dresses as a giant bat, now that is a premise that should be fun!


no AVP really is that bad. i really dont know why i even watched it...
Nolan is more talented for sure.

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RE: Chris Nolan. can he be considerded as one of Briti... - 20/1/2009 10:11:22 PM   
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RE: Chris Nolan. can he be considerded as one of Briti... - 21/1/2009 12:17:02 AM   
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Nolan on the other hand takes everything waaaaay too seriously, especially considering he is make movies about a man who dresses as a giant bat, now that is a premise that should be fun!



*sigh* This is such a tired and repetitive argument that could translate critically to other directors, what exactly do you mean by taking things too seriously ? Due to the subject matter of Nolan's films, most of them involving deception and murder, what do you expect ? A one-liner or bad wisecrack every scene ? Anderson doesn't have an iota of the talent that Nolan does, although admittedly I have never seen his supposed "magnum opus" Event Horizon. Furthermore, as inevitably as the discussion will turn, Nolan has cited that he used a specific source for the Dark Knight, that having read it myself is not supposed to be twee or trvial like the unmentionables of Joel Schumacher, and was supposed to be a genuine interpretation.

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RE: Chris Nolan. can he be considerded as one of Briti... - 21/1/2009 12:56:38 AM   
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Yes i never thought i would see them mentioned in the same sentance and am quite frankly shocked at the compearsion

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RE: Chris Nolan. can he be considerded as one of Briti... - 21/1/2009 1:05:42 AM   
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Nolan on the other hand takes everything waaaaay too seriously, especially considering he is make movies about a man who dresses as a giant bat, now that is a premise that should be fun!



*sigh* This is such a tired and repetitive argument that could translate critically to other directors, what exactly do you mean by taking things too seriously ? Due to the subject matter of Nolan's films, most of them involving deception and murder, what do you expect ? A one-liner or bad wisecrack every scene ? Anderson doesn't have an iota of the talent that Nolan does, although admittedly I have never seen his supposed "opus magnum" Event Horizon. Furthermore, as inevitably as the discussion will turn, Nolan has cited that he used a specific source for the Dark Knight, that having read it myself is not supposed to be twee or trvial like the unmentionables of Joel Schumacher, and was supposed to be a genuine interpretation.


TDK was still also more fun than anything WS Anderson has made. My problem from Nolan comes from putting Batman in such a realistic context  that he is also ready to butcher up the action sequences for this bloody realism, and completely contradict the realism by putting Batman and villians with stories as silly as those in Burton, and taking them seriously.  Joker and Two-Face weren't very realistic either, but at least they felt plausible.

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RE: Chris Nolan. can he be considerded as one of Briti... - 21/1/2009 12:33:46 PM   
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Personally I feel that Batman is not a character that warrants such a serious version as TDK turned out to be, I would have loved it if Nolan had been given the Punisher for example, imagine his noir take on Frank Castle's story, he would have fitted into Nolans world far better then characters who dress up as giant animals.

I'm not saying BB and TDK are bad films, just that Burton did so much better with the characters that it seems a shame to see the franchise be revived only to be worse then is was 20 years ago.

Thats very nice that Nolan is basing his Batman world on source material but that doesn't make the film any better or worse for me, there are a lot of bad films that when they stick too close to the source material they turn out far worse then those that interpret it there own way (take Stephen King for example, writes brilliant books which when someone tries to put them on the screen sticking close to the book they turn out awful( eg Dreamcatchers), but when a decent director/screenwriter gets hold of them and uses some of his own ideas they work wonders (eg Kubrick's Shining).

Give Nolan more material that works in his noir style (like Memento and Prestige) and he works wonders, if he wants to make comic book adaptations I'd prefer he stick with those with characters more grounded in reality like the Punisher and let the Burtons of the world take the costumed heroes as he did a much better job with a lot less technology.

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RE: Chris Nolan. can he be considerded as one of Briti... - 21/1/2009 1:42:20 PM   
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I'm not saying BB and TDK are bad films, just that Burton did so much better with the characters that it seems a shame to see the franchise be revived only to be worse then is was 20 years ago.


Your opinion, alot of people liked Nolan's take on Batman, it was different and to a certain point more realistic. Plus Batman does'nt go about killing people willy-nilly.


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RE: Chris Nolan. can he be considerded as one of Briti... - 21/1/2009 7:15:15 PM   
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I'm not saying BB and TDK are bad films, just that Burton did so much better with the characters that it seems a shame to see the franchise be revived only to be worse then is was 20 years ago.


Your opinion, alot of people liked Nolan's take on Batman, it was different and to a certain point more realistic. Plus Batman does'nt go about killing people willy-nilly.



Totally agree, it's just my opinion and nothing else, but would be rather pointless having a forum that asked questions like: Is Nolan the best British director? If it was fact that he was or wasn't. The thread topic by it's very nature is asking for opinions so whilst mine may not be a popular one I just wanted to get it across.


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RE: Chris Nolan. can he be considerded as one of Briti... - 29/1/2009 5:06:12 PM   
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i think that chris had the weakest voice of all the nolans

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RE: Chris Nolan. can he be considerded as one of Briti... - 29/1/2009 6:08:53 PM   
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RE: Chris Nolan. can he be considerded as one of Briti... - 29/1/2009 6:44:15 PM   
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 How did Paul W(ank) S(tain) Anderson't name det brought into this??

Event Horizon was a great premise riuned by mediocre direction.

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RE: Chris Nolan. can he be considerded as one of Briti... - 30/1/2009 9:50:15 AM   
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RE: Chris Nolan. can he be considerded as one of Briti... - 4/2/2009 10:40:31 PM   
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One of Britain's best directors? Well,there ain't much competation at the moment,but I doubt it.  I consider Nolan one of the most overrated directors around especially with the ridiculous of praise for the tedious The Dark Knight. Mind you there are two Nolans.
Nolan-director of Batman films-poor and insanely overpraised,Schumacher was better!
Nolan-director of The Prestige [his best film imo]etc.-quite good

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RE: Chris Nolan. can he be considerded as one of Briti... - 4/2/2009 11:45:43 PM   
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One of Britain's best directors? Well,there ain't much competation at the moment,but I doubt it.  I consider Nolan one of the most overrated directors around especially with the ridiculous of praise for the tedious The Dark Knight. Mind you there are two Nolans.
Nolan-director of Batman films-poor and insanely overpraised,Schumacher was better!
Nolan-director of The Prestige [his best film imo]etc.-quite good


There is no way that makes sense no matter how anti-Nolan anyone is. Schumacher's films are abysmal.

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RE: Chris Nolan. can he be considerded as one of Briti... - 8/3/2009 2:30:00 AM   
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 No not yet. He needs a few more films under his belt to even start to be considered.

I'd  say a more exciting prospect is Steve McQueen who directed Hunger. That film was OMG good, truly talented direction.

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RE: Chris Nolan. can he be considerded as one of Briti... - 18/3/2009 11:59:07 PM   
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Surely Paul Greengrass deserves a mention ? The guy got an oscar nomination for United 93 and Should have won in my opinion.

On the quality of his last three films i would say he's up there with Nolan.

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