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RE: Twitter - All the cool kids are doing it! - 10/2/2012 1:23:03 AM   
adambatman82

 

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ORIGINAL: Spaldron
Now you're openly accusing me of bullying (and using the actual word aswell? Pot kettle?


I'm not accusing you of anything, I'm simply referring to a recent incident in which you bullied a fellow forumite. In which you bullied a fellow forumite.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Spaldron
Do please elaborate on the part where I "ganged up on and bullied a fellow forumite" because its the first I've heard of it and to my knowledge have never been accused of it by anyone else including the mods.


In all honesty I was under the impression that you *were* pulled for the incident in question on here, but if you weren't, then I guess this isn't the place to expand upon it.

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RE: Twitter - All the cool kids are doing it! - 10/2/2012 1:28:21 AM   
adambatman82

 

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Bullying and "picking on" are completely different in my book.


Oh puh-lease.

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RE: Twitter - All the cool kids are doing it! - 10/2/2012 3:03:44 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: adambatman82

Jeez. Nobody asked you to justify-decisions-at-your age-to-someone-you-don't-even-know: we were having a civilised conversation on a public message board. There's really no need to be so aggressive.



Were we? Really? All I did was mention an app that lets you unfollow folk. I think you are being ever-so-slightly extreme/ sensitive in saying that I was being "aggressive" but OK.


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ORIGINAL: adambatman82

Not really

There are a couple of different types of business on twitter -

1. Those massive companies that use it as a platform to hawk their wares and stay in touch with their customers (from a CS perspective). They tend to have far more followers than users they themselves follow. Using the notorious Cineworld tweeter as an example, they follow just 206 people, yet have a massive 21,923 followers.

2. The smaller, independent business that use twitter for the same reasons above, but also to court new trade. They would, typically, directly advertise their wares to who they deem to be a potential customer, based on specific criteria (locale, by seeking out people who have tweeted about a specific service/item etc.) A good example of this would be my local independent cinema who follow 853 people, but have a much closer followee base of 3500 people.




I would strongly disagree here and would say that actually enough of them do use the app. From my personal experience of Twitter and from building a "relationship" with certain followers, I've found that a good few of them (and in particular some entrepreneurs) heavily rely on using the "Friend or Follow" app to control there followings.


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ORIGINAL: adambatman82

But fair isn't fair when it comes to business, and the idea of unfollowing people if they specifically don't follow you strikes me as a little childish, especially when a business twitter account is essentially one big advert. Surely from the perspective of a business it would make more sense to follow as many people as possible, regardless of whether or not they followed you back, in the event that one day they mentioned something of note to whatever trade it is that you're plying? For example, and answering your "why should I keep following someone if they choose to unfollow me" point, if I were a roofer, I would constantly be on the lookout for people who had problems with roofs etc. To ignore those that don't follow you back is little more than cutting your noise off to spite your face.



When I said "fair is fair", I meant that if someone unfollows you, why should you keep following them? You do realise that an unfollower can't read your tweets so therefore won't see you advertising whatever it is you're trying to sell and I often do do a big follow of people on Twitter. I then see how many of them will follow me back in roughly a fortnight or so and the rest either probably won't follow me back, if they haven't in that timeline or aren't on it that much, therefore both are of no use to what I'm trying to attain. Essentially, all you're doing is removing people who have "lost interest" in following you. No biggie! But to use the word "childish" to me is a little bit silly and I thought you could have done better than that. Surely "strategic" would have been a more fitted option but I can tell that you wouldn't have wanted to have flattered me. Also, I do actually put a little thought into who I follow, I target like minded individuals but a healthy bunch of other folk in different occupations, walks of life etc also. "Tweet Adder" helps me with that one!

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ORIGINAL: adambatman82

You're saying that in one breath, but in the other you admit to unfollowing people who don't follow you back.



Am I? Really? No, actually, my point is that I'm not in it for the gain in a pretentious way. I take my Twitter account serious. I have received enough job offers and have enough people talking about and posting my links in the right fields, to know that I'm not just in it for the superficial "win".

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ORIGINAL: steffols

Ninja, can I ask, what is it that you get out of Twitter if you follow that many people? I've met a few people on Twitter who have found my tweets through public timelines etc and we've struck up conversations which I think is fantastic. I follow 152 people I think it is and I like to think I know at least half of that numbers personalities and tweeting habits, which makes Twitter for me a great network for knowing people and getting to know people. What is it you get out of Twitter by following so many people?



What I "get out" of Twitter is exposure. As an artist and also people in the industry taking notice of me. I certainly know all the familiar Tweeters who follow me and speak to them on a daily basis, pretty much. Sharing art related news etc. I never bring personal matters onto my page and keep it strictly business. Word of mouth is great but if you're promoting yourself or a product, you want to be thinking about the long haul. You then really do need to aim for a bigger audience. The amount of followers I have and that I'm aiming to have is for exposure and I can safely say that you definitely get that with a bigger audience.

I hope this has answered your questions steff.





< Message edited by NinjaShortbread212 -- 10/2/2012 3:12:59 AM >


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RE: Twitter - All the cool kids are doing it! - 10/2/2012 3:16:25 AM   
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I'm happy to leave this argument here. People really will pick at anything these days and I have better things to do with myself than debate a never ending discussion.


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RE: Twitter - All the cool kids are doing it! - 10/2/2012 7:04:57 AM   
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I think I started all this by complaining about the porn spam, sorry

Anyway, this is something I tweeted already, but its worth reading
The Oatmeals 'How Follow friday is supposed to work'

http://theoatmeal.com/comics/follow_friday

And read this for good measure
http://theoatmeal.com/comics/twitter_stop


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RE: Twitter - All the cool kids are doing it! - 10/2/2012 8:35:05 AM   
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RE: Twitter - All the cool kids are doing it! - 10/2/2012 9:42:21 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: adambatman82

In all honesty I was under the impression that you *were* pulled for the incident in question on here, but if you weren't, then I guess this isn't the place to expand upon it.


Backseat Mod fail.

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RE: Twitter - All the cool kids are doing it! - 10/2/2012 10:29:43 AM   
adambatman82

 

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quote:

ORIGINAL: NinjaShortbread212

quote:

ORIGINAL: adambatman82

Not really

There are a couple of different types of business on twitter -

1. Those massive companies that use it as a platform to hawk their wares and stay in touch with their customers (from a CS perspective). They tend to have far more followers than users they themselves follow. Using the notorious Cineworld tweeter as an example, they follow just 206 people, yet have a massive 21,923 followers.

2. The smaller, independent business that use twitter for the same reasons above, but also to court new trade. They would, typically, directly advertise their wares to who they deem to be a potential customer, based on specific criteria (locale, by seeking out people who have tweeted about a specific service/item etc.) A good example of this would be my local independent cinema who follow 853 people, but have a much closer followee base of 3500 people.




I would strongly disagree here and would say that actually enough of them do use the app. From my personal experience of Twitter and from building a "relationship" with certain followers, I've found that a good few of them (and in particular some entrepreneurs) heavily rely on using the "Friend or Follow" app to control there followings.



I've bolded the bits where you contradict/trip up yourself. You're saying in one sentence that many people do this, yet cite only yourself as an example (and in the face of two examples of common business models). What I am saying is, is that many businesses don't unfollow potential customers just because they don't follow them back. Do you not see how quite literally not being aware of a potential customer might be a bad thing?

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ORIGINAL: NinjaShortbread212

When I said "fair is fair", I meant that if someone unfollows you, why should you keep following them?


There are a few reasons -

1. Because you're interested in what they have to say, and can get over the fact that they don't find you interesting enough to follow back.
2. In the event that one day they say "I would really like to buy a painting, anyone know where I can find an original artist in the Edinburgh area?".

quote:

ORIGINAL: NinjaShortbread212

What I "get out" of Twitter is exposure. As an artist and also people in the industry taking notice of me. I certainly know all the familiar Tweeters who follow me and speak to them on a daily basis, pretty much. Sharing art related news etc.


We can all see your twitter feed tho, and this definitely doesn't seem to be the case. Its all links to your site, @mention thanks, follower acknowledgements and the occasional quote. Again, this isn't an attack (We're adults, talking about a subject), and I'm not criticising the way in which you use twitter, but it seems to be at odds with what you're saying in the bit I've just quoted.

quote:

ORIGINAL: NinjaShortbread212
The amount of followers I have and that I'm aiming to have is for exposure and I can safely say that you definitely get that with a bigger audience.


Of course it does, I don't think anyone is disputing that.

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RE: Twitter - All the cool kids are doing it! - 10/2/2012 10:30:46 AM   
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quote:

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quote:

ORIGINAL: adambatman82

In all honesty I was under the impression that you *were* pulled for the incident in question on here, but if you weren't, then I guess this isn't the place to expand upon it.


Backseat Mod fail.


Well he bloody should have been! #WhoModsTheModMen (using an #tag makes it on-topic).

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RE: Twitter - All the cool kids are doing it! - 10/2/2012 10:36:24 AM   
adambatman82

 

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quote:

ORIGINAL: NinjaShortbread212
I'm happy to leave this argument here. People really will pick at anything these days and I have better things to do with myself than debate a never ending discussion.


We are adults having a conversation on a public message board, it's not an argument. And it's really not tennis to say your bit and then attempt to close the discussion.

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RE: Twitter - All the cool kids are doing it! - 10/2/2012 10:56:51 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Rebenectomy


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ORIGINAL: Spaldron


quote:

ORIGINAL: steffols

Ninja, can I ask, what is it that you get out of Twitter if you follow that many people? I've met a few people on Twitter who have found my tweets through public timelines etc and we've struck up conversations which I think is fantastic. I follow 152 people I think it is and I like to think I know at least half of that numbers personalities and tweeting habits, which makes Twitter for me a great network for knowing people and getting to know people. What is it you get out of Twitter by following so many people?


Jeez why the fuck is everyone ganging up on Ninj all of a sudden, does the way she organises her account offend you all so much?

Fuck, since when did people turn into Twitter-Nazi's?


There is nothing 'ganging up' about this comment. It's a genuine question, asked of Ninja, which she is free to answer/debate/discuss all she likes.


I would just like to re-iterate what Reb has already said and say I was not ganging up on Ninj. It was a genuine question because I'm genuinely curious about the way Ninja utilises Twitter. There was no sly digs, there was no snarky tone to my question. It was a question.


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RE: Twitter - All the cool kids are doing it! - 10/2/2012 12:09:22 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: adambatman82


quote:

ORIGINAL: clownfoot


quote:

ORIGINAL: adambatman82

In all honesty I was under the impression that you *were* pulled for the incident in question on here, but if you weren't, then I guess this isn't the place to expand upon it.


Backseat Mod fail.


Well he bloody should have been! #WhoModsTheModMen (using an #tag makes it on-topic).


Not sending a PM to a member of the Mod team to make a complaint about Spaldron fail...

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RE: Twitter - All the cool kids are doing it! - 10/2/2012 12:34:08 PM   
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This thread lolololololololol.

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RE: Twitter - All the cool kids are doing it! - 10/2/2012 1:50:26 PM   
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Adam, you'll pick apart whatever I post here. I have said that I'm leaving this and there is nothing wrong with that, I have more worrying things at the moment to contend with in my life and you getting into pedantics about a bloody Twitter app is really not on in my opinion. I'm not even reading your last responses because I, with all due respect...

Don't-give-a-shit.

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RE: Twitter - All the cool kids are doing it! - 10/2/2012 1:55:30 PM   
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#someargumentsjustdontneedtobehad


I think I'm abusing the twitter trending there

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RE: Twitter - All the cool kids are doing it! - 10/2/2012 2:03:57 PM   
adambatman82

 

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quote:

ORIGINAL: NinjaShortbread212

Adam, you'll pick apart whatever I post here. I have said that I'm leaving this and there is nothing wrong with that, I have more worrying things at the moment to contend with in my life and you getting into pedantics about a bloody Twitter app is really not on in my opinion. I'm not even reading your last responses because I, with all due respect...

Don't-give-a-shit.


Dramatic much? And classy to boot.

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RE: Twitter - All the cool kids are doing it! - 10/2/2012 2:04:50 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: NinjaShortbread212

Adam, you'll pick apart whatever I post here. I have said that I'm leaving this and there is nothing wrong with that, I have more worrying things at the moment to contend with in my life and you getting into pedantics about a bloody Twitter app is really not on in my opinion. I'm not even reading your last responses because I, with all due respect...

Don't-give-a-shit.


Ninj, I don't think Adams intention is to pick apart your posts. I think he's just trying to have a discussion with you about the different ways in which to use Twitter.

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RE: Twitter - All the cool kids are doing it! - 10/2/2012 2:10:52 PM   
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I'm glad I'm not on Twitter now, it sounds too complicated and seems to cause more trouble than it's worth.

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RE: Twitter - All the cool kids are doing it! - 10/2/2012 2:16:54 PM   
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quote:

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1. Because you're interested in what they have to say, and can get over the fact that they don't find you interesting enough to follow back.

Absolutely.

I am following 95 people/groups (I'm picky ) and have 41 followers. Certainly wouldn't expect some of the ones I am following to follow me, it's just for my information

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RE: Twitter - All the cool kids are doing it! - 10/2/2012 2:24:14 PM   
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I'm following 727 people, and only 138 follow me. Its cool, I like seeing the timeline constantly update with interesting stuff/ignorable spam

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RE: Twitter - All the cool kids are doing it! - 10/2/2012 2:25:20 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: steffols


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ORIGINAL: Rebenectomy


quote:

ORIGINAL: Spaldron


quote:

ORIGINAL: steffols

Ninja, can I ask, what is it that you get out of Twitter if you follow that many people? I've met a few people on Twitter who have found my tweets through public timelines etc and we've struck up conversations which I think is fantastic. I follow 152 people I think it is and I like to think I know at least half of that numbers personalities and tweeting habits, which makes Twitter for me a great network for knowing people and getting to know people. What is it you get out of Twitter by following so many people?


Jeez why the fuck is everyone ganging up on Ninj all of a sudden, does the way she organises her account offend you all so much?

Fuck, since when did people turn into Twitter-Nazi's?


There is nothing 'ganging up' about this comment. It's a genuine question, asked of Ninja, which she is free to answer/debate/discuss all she likes.


I would just like to re-iterate what Reb has already said and say I was not ganging up on Ninj. It was a genuine question because I'm genuinely curious about the way Ninja utilises Twitter. There was no sly digs, there was no snarky tone to my question. It was a question.



My bad Steffols. Apologies and stuff.

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RE: Twitter - All the cool kids are doing it! - 10/2/2012 2:26:22 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Hobbitonlass


quote:

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1. Because you're interested in what they have to say, and can get over the fact that they don't find you interesting enough to follow back.

Absolutely.

I am following 95 people/groups (I'm picky ) and have 41 followers. Certainly wouldn't expect some of the ones I am following to follow me, it's just for my information


But is your Twitter account for personal or professional purposes?

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RE: Twitter - All the cool kids are doing it! - 10/2/2012 2:26:25 PM   
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I'm slightly confused - does it cause more work to be following someone? Does stuff they write turn up on your page and, if so, can you adjust that?

It just seems to me that a business wouldn't really unfollow because even if someone temporarily cleaned out the accounts they were following, if the business continued to follow them then they'd still have a note of who they are, and I'm sure would occasionally look back informally. Wouldn't that be a good thing?


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RE: Twitter - All the cool kids are doing it! - 10/2/2012 2:30:09 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: elab49

I'm slightly confused - does it cause more work to be following someone? Does stuff they write turn up on your page and, if so, can you adjust that?

It just seems to me that a business wouldn't really unfollow because even if someone temporarily cleaned out the accounts they were following, if the business continued to follow them then they'd still have a note of who they are, and I'm sure would occasionally look back informally. Wouldn't that be a good thing?



If you follow someone, you are inviting that persons tweets into your timeline. I know there is a way of filtering tweets into different 'lists' so that you can have different timelines with different tweeters but I've never used that function. Yeah, if a person stops following you, and you are still following, their tweets will continue to show up on your timeline but your tweets won't show up on theirs.




EDIT: Spald, apology appreciated. Thank you.

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RE: Twitter - All the cool kids are doing it! - 10/2/2012 2:31:18 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Spaldron


quote:

ORIGINAL: Hobbitonlass


quote:

ORIGINAL: adambatman82
1. Because you're interested in what they have to say, and can get over the fact that they don't find you interesting enough to follow back.

Absolutely.

I am following 95 people/groups (I'm picky ) and have 41 followers. Certainly wouldn't expect some of the ones I am following to follow me, it's just for my information


But is your Twitter account for personal or professional purposes?


To be honest, the best accounts on twitter are the ones that mix both - they are irreverent and talk about every day, and then link you to stuff of theirs that you might be interested in as well.


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RE: Twitter - All the cool kids are doing it! - 10/2/2012 2:34:46 PM   
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ORIGINAL: adambatman82
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ORIGINAL: NinjaShortbread212

Adam, you'll pick apart whatever I post here. I have said that I'm leaving this and there is nothing wrong with that, I have more worrying things at the moment to contend with in my life and you getting into pedantics about a bloody Twitter app is really not on in my opinion. I'm not even reading your last responses because I, with all due respect...

Don't-give-a-shit.


Dramatic much? And classy to boot.


Always with those sly digs eh Adam?

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ORIGINAL: adambatman82
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ORIGINAL: clownfoot
quote:

ORIGINAL: adambatman82

In all honesty I was under the impression that you *were* pulled for the incident in question on here, but if you weren't, then I guess this isn't the place to expand upon it.


Backseat Mod fail.


Well he bloody should have been! #WhoModsTheModMen (using an #tag makes it on-topic).



Or I could easily accuse you of bullying here. Shoes on the other foot etc........

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RE: Twitter - All the cool kids are doing it! - 10/2/2012 2:37:17 PM   
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Back on topic please. If you wish to continue your argument take it to PM's please.

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RE: Twitter - All the cool kids are doing it! - 10/2/2012 2:39:18 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Spaldron


quote:

ORIGINAL: Hobbitonlass


quote:

ORIGINAL: adambatman82
1. Because you're interested in what they have to say, and can get over the fact that they don't find you interesting enough to follow back.

Absolutely.

I am following 95 people/groups (I'm picky ) and have 41 followers. Certainly wouldn't expect some of the ones I am following to follow me, it's just for my information


But is your Twitter account for personal or professional purposes?

Personal. I can't see a lot difference if it is personal or professional as I would think some of time one would want follow someone for information (for example I follow a couple of groups that relate to my brothers business (he is a complete technophobe and wouldn't know Twitter if it stood in front of him and did a song and dance ) just to get information). However, as we don't want to advertise on Twitter or use it in a professional way I guess that's where my knowledge gap is

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RE: Twitter - All the cool kids are doing it! - 10/2/2012 2:42:59 PM   
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I'm @sihool

I havent started tweeting yet, because to be honest, I cant think of anything useful to broadcast to the world

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RE: Twitter - All the cool kids are doing it! - 10/2/2012 2:44:26 PM   
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I'm @rgirvan45. Look me up, the more follows the better :)

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