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RE: State of the Art Bang Bang - The RoboCop Thread - 24/12/2008 2:16:43 PM   
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It was bloody gory as well - remember when Emil got fucked by the acid before coming apart horribly when hit by a car! Leon Nash's : "Get away from me man!!!" was hilarious - so much for loyalty to your mates



We also had the famous hand shooting scene with Clarence Boddicker



Leon's reaction is hilarious, to tell you the truth I think my reaction would have been the same The scene is violent in the extreme, sensational makeup. Rob Bottin is a god among men.

"Well give the man a hand!"









Thanks to Moviedeaths.com we have a still of the rest of his arm getting blasted off when Murphy gets used for shooting practice...



Really loved the fact that Paul Verhoeven clearly didn't give a damn about excessive violence - resolutely certificate 18 film making!


The scene is horrible, Verhoeven himself compared it to the cruxifiction of Christ on the commentary. Violence as shocking as anything made today, the only difference is this one's got brains as well.
The shot of the rest of the arm blasted off wasn't in the VHS I watched until it broke, thank God for DVD's

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RE: State of the Art Bang Bang - The RoboCop Thread - 24/12/2008 2:21:23 PM   
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Robocop also had the one liner "You're fired" that actually made sense (since Jones had to be fired before Murphy could finish him).


It's brilliant.



"Nice shooting, son, what's your name?"

"Murphy."





Total class


Oh, God yes, emotional, powerful, it's got it all. Fantastic script. And just looking at that shot still makes me go berserk over the makeup effects, I mean they're just so fucking good.


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RE: State of the Art Bang Bang - The RoboCop Thread - 24/12/2008 2:23:57 PM   
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Forgot to comment on that - didn't realise Rob Bottin was involved with that scene - major league genius


You said it, did the makeup for The Thing when he was 20, goddamnit that's impressive.


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RE: State of the Art Bang Bang - The RoboCop Thread - 24/12/2008 2:28:50 PM   
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I think the sound effects in this film often get overlooked.

Ed-209 and Robo's footsteps.

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RE: State of the Art Bang Bang - The RoboCop Thread - 24/12/2008 2:31:35 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Kazuya

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ORIGINAL: Fluke Skywalker


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It was bloody gory as well - remember when Emil got fucked by the acid before coming apart horribly when hit by a car! Leon Nash's : "Get away from me man!!!" was hilarious - so much for loyalty to your mates



We also had the famous hand shooting scene with Clarence Boddicker



Leon's reaction is hilarious, to tell you the truth I think my reaction would have been the same The scene is violent in the extreme, sensational makeup. Rob Bottin is a god among men.

"Well give the man a hand!"









Thanks to Moviedeaths.com we have a still of the rest of his arm getting blasted off when Murphy gets used for shooting practice...



Really loved the fact that Paul Verhoeven clearly didn't give a damn about excessive violence - resolutely certificate 18 film making!


The scene is horrible, Verhoeven himself compared it to the cruxifiction of Christ on the commentary. Violence as shocking as anything made today, the only difference is this one's got brains as well.
The shot of the rest of the arm blasted off wasn't in the VHS I watched until it broke, thank God for DVD's

"Are you a good cop, hotshot?"



Another thing that's great about this scene is that you think, ok he's lost an arm, he's got shot up but he's still wearing a flak jacket. So he's just about gonna be ok (and I reckon most films would have left it at that), but then Clarence Boddicker steps in and shoots him in the head!

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RE: State of the Art Bang Bang - The RoboCop Thread - 24/12/2008 2:32:22 PM   
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Forgot to comment on that - didn't realise Rob Bottin was involved with that scene - major league genius


You said it, did the makeup for The Thing when he was 20, goddamnit that's impressive.



Amazing I never knew he was 20 years old when he did The Thing - ridiculously talented.

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RE: State of the Art Bang Bang - The RoboCop Thread - 24/12/2008 2:33:28 PM   
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I think the sound effects in this film often get overlooked.

Ed-209 and Robo's footsteps.


ED209's roar is great as well

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RE: State of the Art Bang Bang - The RoboCop Thread - 24/12/2008 3:01:37 PM   
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I think the sound effects in this film often get overlooked.

Ed-209 and Robo's footsteps.


Definitely. I love that ambient sound, the hum. The gunshot sound effects are also some of the best I've ever heard.

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Another thing that's great about this scene is that you think, ok he's lost an arm, he's got shot up but he's still wearing a flak jacket. So he's just about gonna be ok (and I reckon most films would have left it at that), but then Clarence Boddicker steps in and shoots him in the head!


"Alright, fun's over."

The shotgun blasts just seem to go on forever don't they?

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ED209's roar is great as well


Oh yes, superb design too.


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RE: State of the Art Bang Bang - The RoboCop Thread - 24/12/2008 3:09:04 PM   
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Talking about the ending, I love it. He says his name and the film suddenly ends with a huge Robocop on the screen with Poledorius great soundtrack in the backround. It is perfect.

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RE: State of the Art Bang Bang - The RoboCop Thread - 24/12/2008 3:15:44 PM   
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Talking about the ending, I love it. He says his name and the film suddenly ends with a huge Robocop on the screen with Poledorius great soundtrack in the backround. It is perfect.


I love it too, the perfect ending to a perfect film. Poledouris' score is fantastic, really sets the mood. The piece of music for the truck chase is one of my all-time favorites. And the melancholic theme gets under the skin.

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RE: State of the Art Bang Bang - The RoboCop Thread - 24/12/2008 3:17:10 PM   
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I think the sound effects in this film often get overlooked.

Ed-209 and Robo's footsteps.


Definitely. I love that ambient sound, the hum. The gunshot sound effects are also some of the best I've ever heard.




Yeah there's some great sound effects - one of my favourite 'cool' moments is when Robocop is battling the ED209 and the machine is about to take a point blank shot to Robocop's head - but he forces it's arm to fire into it's other limb.

Here's the whole fight : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNckavq9fiY

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RE: State of the Art Bang Bang - The RoboCop Thread - 24/12/2008 3:20:01 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Kazuya

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ORIGINAL: Tech_Noir

I think the sound effects in this film often get overlooked.

Ed-209 and Robo's footsteps.


Definitely. I love that ambient sound, the hum. The gunshot sound effects are also some of the best I've ever heard.




Yeah there's some great sound effects - one of my favourite 'cool' moments is when Robocop is battling the ED209 and the machine is about to take a point blank shot to Robocop's head - but he forces it's arm to fire into it's other limb.

Here's the whole fight : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNckavq9fiY


Fuck, I love that too, that rattling sound. Now to watch the fight.


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RE: State of the Art Bang Bang - The RoboCop Thread - 24/12/2008 3:23:44 PM   
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The only grudge I have agaisnt Robocop is that I never really liked ED 209's movement, he seems to suffer in animation, but he looks so damn great maybe I should stop complaining.

The movement in Cain looks far better and more impressive. Even if I'll never see the film cause it looks troo blody childlish.

Is Robocop 3 as bad as the ST sequels?

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RE: State of the Art Bang Bang - The RoboCop Thread - 24/12/2008 3:28:02 PM   
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The only grudge I have agaisnt Robocop is that I never really liked ED 209's movement, he seems to suffer in animation, but he looks so damn great maybe I should stop complaining.

The movement in Cain looks far better and more impressive. Even if I'll never see the film cause it looks troo blody childlish.

Is Robocop 3 as bad as the ST sequels?


I love the stop-motion used for ED 209, the slightly jagged movement only enhances the dread for me, like the endo in The Terminator.



Flawless design, inspired by Japanese Mecha.

As for RoboCop 3, stay as far away as you possibly can.


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RE: State of the Art Bang Bang - The RoboCop Thread - 24/12/2008 3:32:35 PM   
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I prefer the endo's movement over ED 209's. But they just as cool looking.

I think ED 209 looks better than Cain. Cain looks too human, ED 209 looks like a machine, one that will transform into swiis cheese.

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RE: State of the Art Bang Bang - The RoboCop Thread - 24/12/2008 3:34:57 PM   
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While Cain's movement is more fluid for some reason it looks a little less real? Check this out : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A4ZT3_Lifpk

I wish Verhoeven had taken a crack at the sequel with Cain involved - a drug addicted killer robot : excellent

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RE: State of the Art Bang Bang - The RoboCop Thread - 24/12/2008 3:35:17 PM   
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I found Cain more terrifying, he's a pyschotic nuke-addict who's brain is transplanted into this robotic monster.

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RE: State of the Art Bang Bang - The RoboCop Thread - 24/12/2008 3:38:17 PM   
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I liked the design of Caine, very different, but very impressive as well. Love that nuclear symbol.




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RE: State of the Art Bang Bang - The RoboCop Thread - 24/12/2008 3:40:09 PM   
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While Cain's movement is more fluid for some reason it looks a little less real? Check this out : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A4ZT3_Lifpk

I wish Verhoeven had taken a crack at the sequel with Cain involved - a drug addicted killer robot : excellent


I agree completely, I much prefer the effects in the original.

Verhoeven should have directed the sequel.


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RE: State of the Art Bang Bang - The RoboCop Thread - 24/12/2008 3:41:45 PM   
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I found Cain more terrifying, he's a pyschotic nuke-addict who's brain is transplanted into this robotic monster.


Of course he's more terrifying, ED 209 is dumber than a bag of hammers and not the main villain


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RE: State of the Art Bang Bang - The RoboCop Thread - 24/12/2008 3:42:25 PM   
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RE: State of the Art Bang Bang - The RoboCop Thread - 24/12/2008 3:44:11 PM   
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What's that???????


Anyway, I think Robocop should have remained a stand alone film. Unlike Starship Troopers, sadly the sequels of that have been crap as well.

By the didn't Ken Russel call Robocop one of the best sci-fi films ever?

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RE: State of the Art Bang Bang - The RoboCop Thread - 24/12/2008 3:47:23 PM   
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That's Cain's brain waiting in a tank to be stuck in a robot!

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RE: State of the Art Bang Bang - The RoboCop Thread - 24/12/2008 3:52:52 PM   
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Anyway, I think Robocop should have remained a stand alone film. Unlike Starship Troopers, sadly the sequels of that have been crap as well.


Robocop sequels could have been great (although I still think Robocop 2 is one of the better sequels made). The trouble is the ending of the original gave the impression that Murphy is back but in the next movie he's back to being an OCP product.


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RE: State of the Art Bang Bang - The RoboCop Thread - 24/12/2008 3:57:56 PM   
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I thought Robocop 2's score was really terrible - it seemed out of place, time, overblown at the wrong moments. It's like they over-thought it because they knew they had to live up to the score of the first film.

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RE: State of the Art Bang Bang - The RoboCop Thread - 24/12/2008 4:08:48 PM   
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Another thing that's great about this scene is that you think, ok he's lost an arm, he's got shot up but he's still wearing a flak jacket. So he's just about gonna be ok (and I reckon most films would have left it at that), but then Clarence Boddicker steps in and shoots him in the head!


"Alright, fun's over."

The shotgun blasts just seem to go on forever don't they?




Yeah they do - how about when he's getting sprayed by the cops - that bloody goes on for ages as well.

It's a solid minute of Robocop getting shot! Imagine being shot at for 60 seconds by multiple shooters with various automatic weapons

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7tJA8tjQHw

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RE: State of the Art Bang Bang - The RoboCop Thread - 25/12/2008 12:55:55 AM   
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Another thing that's great about this scene is that you think, ok he's lost an arm, he's got shot up but he's still wearing a flak jacket. So he's just about gonna be ok (and I reckon most films would have left it at that), but then Clarence Boddicker steps in and shoots him in the head!


"Alright, fun's over."

The shotgun blasts just seem to go on forever don't they?




Yeah they do - how about when he's getting sprayed by the cops - that bloody goes on for ages as well.

It's a solid minute of Robocop getting shot! Imagine being shot at for 60 seconds by multiple shooters with various automatic weapons

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7tJA8tjQHw



That scene is heartbreaking. The bit where Lewis arrives and he looks up, trying to protect himself, gets me every time.
Weller is so fucking good in the role.


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RE: State of the Art Bang Bang - The RoboCop Thread - 25/12/2008 12:57:29 AM   
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Excellent


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RE: State of the Art Bang Bang - The RoboCop Thread - 25/12/2008 10:17:10 AM   
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Talking about the ending, I love it. He says his name and the film suddenly ends with a huge Robocop on the screen with Poledorius great soundtrack in the backround. It is perfect.


Kinda a strange contradiction, Murphy finally rediscovers who he is (the emotional core of the film), he says his name then suddenly his OCP product name is flung in our face.

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RE: State of the Art Bang Bang - The RoboCop Thread - 25/12/2008 1:27:20 PM   
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"I work for Dick Jones! Dick Jones! He's the Number Two Guy at OCP. OCP runs the cops."

"You're a cop..."

I love the whole sequence, RoboCop's assault on the factory is fucking awesome, love that he really wants to kill Boddicker, but can't, at least not until later


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