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RE: I. Drink. Your. Milkshake. The TWBB Fan Club - 29/12/2008 1:42:29 AM   
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Listening to Greenwood's soundtrack, it wouldn't be out of place in The Shining.

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RE: I. Drink. Your. Milkshake. The TWBB Fan Club - 29/12/2008 2:09:33 AM   
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Listening to Greenwood's soundtrack, it wouldn't be out of place in The Shining.


It's a shame that it was disqualified from the Oscars last year. Excellent score.

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RE: I. Drink. Your. Milkshake. The TWBB Fan Club - 30/12/2008 3:37:41 PM   
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Can't get enough of this film, I watched it Christmas Eve and again last night. It just gets better and better!

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RE: I. Drink. Your. Milkshake. The TWBB Fan Club - 2/1/2009 11:16:45 PM   
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With this being the last year of the decade, what are the odds of a better film than this being made? Anything likely to surpass it?

Having read Watchmen I am now salivating at the potential of that film, but hesitant at it having justice done to it. Can't realistically see it beating this one though.


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RE: I. Drink. Your. Milkshake. The TWBB Fan Club - 2/1/2009 11:18:57 PM   
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Well, I place 3 films from this decade ahead of it in my favourite film list, but I'm not gonna divulge because I want secrets for when I get round to doing my list

Homer, it was a modern classic on yours, right? Where would you place it now if your 5 year rule wasn't there?

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RE: I. Drink. Your. Milkshake. The TWBB Fan Club - 2/1/2009 11:23:48 PM   
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Jeez, that is a tough one. Definitely in the top 20, for sure. 

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RE: I. Drink. Your. Milkshake. The TWBB Fan Club - 2/1/2009 11:25:43 PM   
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Well it's in the top 20 in mine....


And that's it! No more reveals!

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RE: I. Drink. Your. Milkshake. The TWBB Fan Club - 2/1/2009 11:34:26 PM   
homersimpson_esq


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Good man! You should join the ranks of stewie, gimli and I and have a TWBB avatar!

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RE: I. Drink. Your. Milkshake. The TWBB Fan Club - 2/1/2009 11:44:59 PM   
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Done! Ooh, it's like being in a club!

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RE: I. Drink. Your. Milkshake. The TWBB Fan Club - 2/1/2009 11:50:07 PM   
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Refers the honourable gentleman to the thread title...

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RE: I. Drink. Your. Milkshake. The TWBB Fan Club - 2/1/2009 11:53:21 PM   
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Honourable gentleman slaps his forehead and utters the catchphrase of other honourable gentleman's namesake

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RE: I. Drink. Your. Milkshake. The TWBB Fan Club - 2/1/2009 11:54:43 PM   
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It's just like parliament! 

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RE: I. Drink. Your. Milkshake. The TWBB Fan Club - 3/1/2009 12:06:30 AM   
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But more grown up.

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RE: I. Drink. Your. Milkshake. The TWBB Fan Club - 3/1/2009 12:08:19 AM   
homersimpson_esq


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Which isn't saying a lot, to be honest.

Come on rhu, you know you want a TWBB av really... Maybe one of Eli. No one has one of them...


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RE: I. Drink. Your. Milkshake. The TWBB Fan Club - 3/1/2009 12:14:16 AM   
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Poor Eli. As an act of rebellion I might get a Day-Lewis avatar from a different film


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RE: I. Drink. Your. Milkshake. The TWBB Fan Club - 3/1/2009 12:24:10 AM   
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Nooo, Eli! The bit where he casts out the evil spirit from that old lady!

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RE: I. Drink. Your. Milkshake. The TWBB Fan Club - 3/1/2009 1:23:16 AM   
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Homer, you genius. A There Will Be Blood-fan club is just a great idea! I'm not changing my avatar, though, as I've spent too long finding the perfect one. I do love the film, though, and I love your enthusiasm for it! You have some wonderful insight on the film which I could only dream of finding myself.

The performance by Day-Lewis is staggering to say the least. I am also quite fond of Paul Dano (or his acting abilities, that is) but also (and I can't believe I am the first in the thread to mention it): Dillon Freasier. The music in the film is just fantastic too. In years it will be remembered as a landmark. In itself, the score is neither the most listenable or the most idiosyncratic, but in the seat next to the film it sits very comfortably, even though it seems like they wouldn't be best buds.

And I think that's why the film is so good. Professor Moriarty pointed out that he would have liked the film better if someone like Clint Eastwood had directed it, but I disagree. PTA is just the man for this gig. Only he could do such a respected genre and inject it with milkshakes, a 2001-like silent opening and whatever you want to call that score. As Boogie Nights and Magnolia shows, not many do the "out of the blue"-ending quite like him.

I will advice anyone to watch The Treasure of the Sierra Madre, though, as it was a big influence on the film. It is a towering movie, painted with the same pallette (western overtone - undertone about greed). PTA said he went to sleep with it turned on every night he made the film, and it shows. The influence is unmistakeably, even down to some of the humor.

"Ladies and gentlemen, I am an oil-man".

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RE: I. Drink. Your. Milkshake. The TWBB Fan Club - 3/1/2009 1:29:42 AM   
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Here's the review I did for my top 50 also. I went a bit pretentious with the language and I can barely understand it myself, but it isn't half-bad, methinks.

THERE WILL BE BLOOD (2007)


Director: Paul Thomas Anderson
Starring: Daniel Day-Lewis, Paul Dano, Dillon Freasier
Written by: Paul Thomas Anderson after the novel "Oil!" by Upton Sinclair
Length: 158 minutes

"Ladies and gentlemen, I am an oil-man."

On paper, There Will Be Blood is a grand epic in the tradition of Giant, The Treasure of the Sierra Madre and Citizen Kane. But where those films would be gentlemen in human form, There Will Blood is like a scientist with ADHD; a clever film with a beat that purposely hits syncopated notes. To me, this is the film's true calling card. Themes of greed, faith and family are apparent throughout the film's 158-minute running time, but under the surface boils a fiery flame that tries hard to break free. Sometimes it does in the literal sense (witness the spectacle of the oil derrick fire), other times it is more metaphorical, manifesting itself into the core of the characters, unleashing their most hateful thoughts upon the world. An audience watching There Will Be Blood is bound to experience a strange feeling, one that many film-makers purposely avoid. Director and screenwriter Paul Thomas Anderson gives us images of familiarity, but as we flick the pages in the photo-diary, we remember that not all memories are pleasant memories.

Thanks to its early 1900-setting, There Will Be Blood could have been made at the same time as its comparison pieces. Yet, it wasn't. It was made in 2007, and its director was not John Huston or Orson Welles, but Paul Thomas Anderson, who has made a career of making films that simultaneously has the ability to engage and shock the audience, often at the very same time. For fear of spoilers I will not go into details, but anyone who has seen Boogie Nights and Magnolia and their respective endings will be well prepared for what Anderson has in store for us this time. Had There Will Be Blood been made as a standard movie about the quest for oil (and with it: money), it would have been a good movie. But it wouldn't have been a great movie, and most likely: it wouldn't have been named There Will Be Blood.

I greatly appreciate Anderson's tendencies to be pretentious and daring. Even if one find little joy in his movies, no one would ever dare call him run-of-the-mill. Throughout his career, Anderson has been open about his influences while bringing his own touch to his work. Boogie Nights recalled the swift rhythm of Goodfellas, but its subject matter wasn't gangsters, but rather another low-life breed: pornographic actors and their various peers.

The film opens with 20 dialogue-free minutes. Through action we get to know Daniel Plainview (Daniel Day-Lewis), who begins his career looking for silver in a deep mine in the middle of nowhere. Throughout the film we watch as he grow richer and richer, but we never watch him grow into another man. Locations and times changes, but even three decades later, Plainview is still that same man he was in the mine: greedy, selfish and determined. He will stop at absolutely nothing to get what he wants. Thanks to the fantastic performance of Day-Lewis, he is never one-dimensional, but it is a daring move still. In a business that applauds characters of dynamic, Anderson dares to show us a character that is rather static in his selfishness.

That's not to say Plainview doesn't try to change. Like many bad men, he has his circumstances to blame as much as his persona. Cut short of a family for reasons never explained, Plainview willfully adopts a son, H.W. (Dillon Freasier), and although he never hesitates to use him as a selling tool, there is no doubt there is a real connection between the two of them. After all, Plainview doesn't reveal the fate of his son's true father, an act of kindness and mercy, not selfishness.

Still, road-blocks are constantly thrown in Plainview's path, and certain circumstances (that shall go unnamed in this spoiler-free review) begin to alienate him from his son. When a man later shows up and claims he is his brother, both we and Plainview become suspicious. After all, this man could have shown up at any time, yet he chose to approach Plainview after he became rich. Yet, both we and Plainview are curious to know this person, which might suggest that it is life, and not Plainview himself, who has chosen him to be a man without family. While he driven by his greed and determination, there is never a question that Plainview wants what every human being wants: equal respect.

Already in its promotional stages, I knew that There Will Be Blood was something else entirely. Many people across the globe has attempted to channel Daniel Day-Lewis as Daniel Plainview, and while some has been successful as far as looks go, not one has managed to persuade me into believing his lying words. Daniel Day-Lewis looks the part, Daniel Day-Lewis sounds the part and Daniel Day-Lewis feels the part (if cinemas could work out a way to bring the sense of smelling into their halls, I would underline that "Day-Lewis smells the part" as well). His performance recalls a time when going into character meant creating a character, and every mannerism of his performance suggests a unique person. In years to come, Day-Lewis will hopefully stand, not as one of the greatest actors of his respectives decades, but as one of the greatest actors altogether.

Like a detective driving to a crime scene, we do not know how the last scene of There Will Be Blood will play out (congratulations to anyone who manages to guess in advance), but at the same time, we know what to expect (most detectives have, after all, seen a body before). The title is an obvious signpost, and so is Johnny Greenwood's atonal score, perfectly setting the opposite tone of what California's vast landscape may first suggest. I feel tempted to reveal it, but I will say one thing: it is thrilling to have witnessed a scene and its most well-known line become iconic in less than a year's time.

I'm finished.


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RE: I. Drink. Your. Milkshake. The TWBB Fan Club - 3/1/2009 1:32:12 AM   
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Which isn't saying a lot, to be honest.

Come on rhu, you know you want a TWBB av really... Maybe one of Eli. No one has one of them...



I would get one of Eli, but I spent too long waiting for this awesome one I have to change it.

I reckon Paul Dano is better than DDL in TWBB, though.


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RE: I. Drink. Your. Milkshake. The TWBB Fan Club - 3/1/2009 1:34:22 AM   
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I'll do a TWBB review sometime this week.

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RE: I. Drink. Your. Milkshake. The TWBB Fan Club - 3/1/2009 1:57:52 AM   
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Excellent review there Dante! I'd be interested in hearing your take on the ending too. I think we can discuss the ending in this thread!

Rhu - I look forward to it. I might give it a rewatch and do a fresh review at some point too.


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RE: I. Drink. Your. Milkshake. The TWBB Fan Club - 3/1/2009 2:23:08 AM   
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I've only just spotted this thread!

*signs up as fully-fledged member*

I guess this explains all the avs! I'm going to stick with my mandril, if that's okay, but rest assured, he loved There Will Be Blood too!

If I may add a personal tale of my first viewing of TWBB. 'Twas the opening Saturday night gala screening at the Dublin International Film Festival. Savoy cinema, screen 1, the biggest screen in Ireland, seats about 700. Full house. Acho, in the second-last row, blown away by the film. Which was followed by a marvellous Q&A with Mr. Day-Lewis himself. The man in wonderful; we all walked away a little bit in love with him after the interview.

I had this and No Country For Old Men as my top two of 2008, then I watched TWBB again and it cemented itself as my #1. I still think NCFOM is great, but there's something extra special about TWBB.

At its core is a powerhouse of a performance from Day-Lewis, truly staggering. But full credit to PTA for painting such a broad canvas and delivering a relentlessly powerful film, which can shock and excite the viewer. As others have said, there's a fantastic score, with the almost brutal music lending extra tension and power to the story. And allow me to mention the brilliant cinematography from Robert Elswit. While I'm a big fan of Roger Deakins, I was delighted that Elswit won the Oscar for this.

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I found the first watch difficult, but i think Empire got it spot on in the review, they said the film stays with you and you just can't stop thinking about it.

I remember mentioning this in some other thread months ago, but I think that was a great review from Helen O'Hara. Both in its analysis of the film and also just as a good read. I'd read it before seeing the film, then actively sought it out again afterwards.

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"I'm your brother... from another mother..." 

God, that line made me laugh! It seems so anachronistic and out of place! I know he's means it literally, but it just makes me think of lyrics from bad rap music! "I'm your sister from another mister"

I got the DVD of this just last week, so I'll be getting to re-watch it for the first time in months soon. Can't wait!


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RE: I. Drink. Your. Milkshake. The TWBB Fan Club - 3/1/2009 9:22:24 AM   
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Excellent review there Dante! I'd be interested in hearing your take on the ending too. I think we can discuss the ending in this thread!


Oh, I love the ending. I remember there being some controversy over it when it was released, but I think my shock was weakened because I was a bit prepared for it - then again, can anyone be prepared for something like that? I do love the scene, though. It's just so... right. I don't know how else to say it. I vividly remember my first milkshake after having seen the film for the first time. Memories...

Oh, yes, my grandmother loves this film too!

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RE: I. Drink. Your. Milkshake. The TWBB Fan Club - 3/1/2009 12:50:48 PM   
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You have an awesome grandmother!

My gran pretty much remembers that time...

(I jest. She was born in '22.)


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RE: I. Drink. Your. Milkshake. The TWBB Fan Club - 3/1/2009 1:37:16 PM   
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I need to watch this again; I have it on Blu-Ray, but I keep watching other things when I mean to watch this!

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RE: I. Drink. Your. Milkshake. The TWBB Fan Club - 3/1/2009 2:50:24 PM   
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With this being the last year of the decade, what are the odds of a better film than this being made? Anything likely to surpass it?

Having read Watchmen I am now salivating at the potential of that film, but hesitant at it having justice done to it. Can't realistically see it beating this one though.


In all honesty I would be really surprised if there were a film in 2009 that would even come close!


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RE: I. Drink. Your. Milkshake. The TWBB Fan Club - 3/1/2009 3:03:55 PM   
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Sorry about the double post guys, but I decided to join the There Will Be Blood Avatar club!

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RE: I. Drink. Your. Milkshake. The TWBB Fan Club - 3/1/2009 4:59:41 PM   
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There Will Be Blood (dir; Paul Thomas Anderson)



The most epic film of recent times, there is no doubt in my mind that There Will Be Blood is an epic masterpiece. Its bigger in scope, and vision than any other film I can think of in recent times, and genuinely has something to say.
The film centres around a battle for America's soul. Daniel Day-Lewis plays Daniel Plainview a oil-man, who essentially represents Capitalism. Paul Dano meanwhile, portrays Eli Sunday - a preacher who is representing religion. Religion has always held America's soul and Eli has always done well - untill Plainview, with his promises of bread, education and water strolls into town, hoping finally to make himself a rich man. When Capitalism threatens to steal the soul of the townsfolk, the church is quick to get involved, and Sunday decides he wants to bless the well, to show the church can be modern and co-operate with the oil-man. Plainview however is less than interested, and sets into place a petty game of one-upmanship between the two. What's interesting is that the film never takes either side - both are shown to have good points (Capitalism can provide bread and education, Faith can provide some mental well-being), but both are shown to be entirely corrupt, self-serving and ultimately horrifying. It could be argued that by the end, Capitalism has won, it has stolen America's soul, but make no mistake, Plainview is a monster, an out of control beast, and does not make a good reflection for greed.
Both Dano, and Day-Lewis are superb in their respective roles, but really it is Day-Lewis' film. It is the story of the rise of capitalism, and it is he who fills every frame, a larger than life, deep voiced, and complex character that it is hard to draw any conclusions from. At the start of the film, he takes in HW, then just a baby, who has lost his father. The reasoning for this is unclear throughout the film. Alot would suggest - including a raging Plainview at the end - that he just took HW in as a political mean, so as to appear the Family Man to people he was trying to win over. He does, however show genuine affection at times to his surrogate son. After the oil-dig makes HW loose his hearing, Plainview panics and abandons him, coldly. When he is confronted upon by Sunday by this, it is enough to send you cold. Day-Lewis measures the scene perfectly, and the unsettling nature of his screams is more than enough to give him the oscar right there. Initially he refuses to acknowledge his abandonment of HW, but when he does all the complexity comes to the fore. Clearly this is not something he wanted to do - or at least it is something he regrets. He ends up taking him back, and is very defensive over his "son". Inevitably though, the selfish money man only ends alienating him, despite you feel, the fact that he really wouldn't want to.
Plainview and Sunday are well aware of one another's faults, and indeed, probably of their own. Plainview recognises his selfishness, noting that he "hates most people". He isn't however as simple as that. His first response when he hears one of his men has died, is to enquire as to whether he knew him. It sounds cold initially, but ultimately it suggests some feeling if did. He also sticks up for Mary, one of the Sunday children after the revelation that she is beaten for not praying.
Praying is something Plainview doesn't have a great deal of time for. Indeed, he could be described a realist, but there is something in him that suggests frustration with the church. He loses his temper with Eli initially because the churchman can't perform a miracle and give his son HW his hearing back. Plainview has no time for things he can't immediately see the results in. He sees Eli as a fraud immediately, but Eli feels the exact same way about him, and alot of the tension in the film is because both know this about the other.
The only mistep in the film, for me, is the Brother subplot. Plainview is happened upon by a man claiming to be his brother, what could be quite interesting, is actually an entirely meaningless subplot, which seems designed purely to try and get into the character of Plainview. The whole sequence is expositionary, its serves no plot purpose, but it does explore the complexities of the oil-man.
Otherwise, the film is nigh-on perfect, including the now-iconic ending. An aged, and broken down Plainview - who presumably has done well for himself judging by the butler and size of his house - is happened upon again by Eli Sunday, who after touring America spreading the word of God has come to the end of his tether, and is now washed up, lost and in need of money. Plainview takes the moment to wreck his revenge on Eli, forcing the churchman to admit that his religion is mere superstition - its a mirror of Plainview's acknoledgement that he abandoned his child, obviously something that forever has stuck with Plainview. He then goes into an almost comic-rant, an analogy that not only started the thinking on the film, but has become the iconic part as well. Plainview completely loses it in a flash, and ends up winning America's soul, by what else? Killing religion on another icon of America's past, a ten-pin Bowling alley.
Ultimately, There Will Be Blood comes out as one of the very best films of the last ten years. It shares much in common with Citizen Kane, in that Orson Welles masterwork was taking apart the American Dream, just as this is charting the corrupt battle for America's Soul. There is absolutely no reason why it shouldn't go on to be as iconic as Welles film.

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You organisational skills sicken me, Rhubarb.



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RE: I. Drink. Your. Milkshake. The TWBB Fan Club - 3/1/2009 5:39:37 PM   
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Very good review there, Rhubarb.

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It could be argued that by the end, Capitalism has won, it has stolen America's soul, but make no mistake, Plainview is a monster, an out of control beast, and does not make a good reflection for greed.


In a way I would say the same, but I would probably go even a bit further. What the ending shows is how much of a fraud Eli is, and for all his supposed resentment towards capitalism, he requires it and even - maybe - likes it. He is a hypocrite, really, and this is how Plainview defeats him. That, and stuffing his brain in with a bowling pin (that rhymed).

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RE: I. Drink. Your. Milkshake. The TWBB Fan Club - 3/1/2009 6:54:26 PM   
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mmmm. that's really true. All the way through I think Eli realises that religion is slowly looking anachronistic, which is why he quickly wants to jump into bed with Plainview - untill he is snubbed - and why he talks up motion pictures and things, that need to be new and modern. In that regard I think Capitalism is the single minded, driving force, and that's why it succeeds. Perhaps the film could be read as warning to the church that capitalism is going to destroy it.

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