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RE: JUDGE DREDD - 19/12/2011 12:48:39 PM   
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See what I mean! 

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RE: JUDGE DREDD - 19/12/2011 12:56:39 PM   
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Don't humour me or else you will get more stuff like this:

http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/8789/judgedreddfashionvictim.jpg

Consider that your final warning.

(s'okay, I won't post anymore stuff)

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RE: JUDGE DREDD - 19/12/2011 4:52:22 PM   
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One last image - the Stallone uniform altered (as seen in previous image) but with a 'painted oils' sort of background:

http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/5207/judgedredduniformremix2.jpg


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RE: New Judge Dredd film greenlit - 20/12/2011 12:06:19 AM   
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Three versions of the uniform:

http://img862.imageshack.us/img862/5843/dreddx3.jpg

My altered Stallone version on far left.

The Judge Minty version in the middle (from the forthcoming fan film although that image is actually Karl Urban's face).

And the Karl Urban version on the right (that is Judge Lex, not Judge Dredd).

I think the version on the far left is the best compromise. It remains true to the comic book version but with smaller but not tiny pads.

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RE: New Judge Dredd film greenlit - 20/12/2011 12:09:35 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: dreddhead123

Three versions of the uniform:

http://img862.imageshack.us/img862/5843/dreddx3.jpg

My altered Stallone version on far left.

The Judge Minty version in the middle (from the forthcoming fan film although that image is actually Karl Urban's face).

And the Karl Urban version on the right (that is Judge Lex, not Judge Dredd).

I think the version on the far left is the best compromise. It remains true to the comic book version but with smaller but not tiny pads.


As a big fan of the comics I have to admit that the Urban film costume looks best. The Stallone one has aged terribly and the one in the middle looks like cheap cosplay.

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RE: New Judge Dredd film greenlit - 20/12/2011 12:50:45 AM   
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Nah, the Urban uniform is too messy with naff tiny sloping shoulder pads.

Matthew Fox (from tv's lost and other stuff) as Judge Dredd (HD 720p clip)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0yl08Ktxlg

Listen to him say the lines

"Maybe you forgot how it feels to stand up and be a man."

"The only way you'll stop these people is to bring them to justice."

Sounds totally like Judge Dredd. He's acting like Judge Dredd! And he has the jawline/chin. I think he could have made a sensational Judge Dredd. And I think he would have wowed sceptical Dredd fans too. That clip is short but it shows what huge potential he has as Judge Dredd. Fox with Dredd helmet:

http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/589/dreddmf1custom.jpg

He is the man for Dredd!


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RE: New Judge Dredd film greenlit - 20/12/2011 1:06:49 PM   
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Yes, well he isn't. Urban is and who knows - you might see the trailer and do a complete 180.

Of course you won't as you've already made your mind up, but I live in hope.

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RE: New Judge Dredd film greenlit - 20/12/2011 5:32:43 PM   
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Do you reckon it's worth pointing out that Matthew Fox is a pretty shit actor?

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RE: New Judge Dredd film greenlit - 20/12/2011 5:34:55 PM   
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Do you reckon it's worth pointing out that Matthew Fox is a pretty shit actor?


This.


Urban will do well.

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Indecent Proposal - 24/12/2011 12:40:21 PM   
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quote:

Nah, the Urban uniform is too messy with naff tiny sloping shoulder pads.

Matthew Fox (from tv's lost and other stuff) as Judge Dredd (HD 720p clip) ... he has the jawline/chin. I think he could have made a sensational Judge Dredd. And I think he would have wowed sceptical Dredd fans too. by Dreddhead123




Hiya Scott. Here's Sophie's Choice for you:

Urban with enormous shoulderpads that make him look as butch as you dream of

or

Your dream casting of Matthew Fox with the new film's slopey-shoulder-SWAT look that you've taken against so?







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RE: Indecent Proposal - 24/12/2011 11:39:30 PM   
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RE: Indecent Proposal - 25/12/2011 1:09:09 AM   
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I'm REALLY looking forward to this film! Hopefully it'll be a more satisfying experiencce than the first outing for 'ol Helmet Head! Ha ha!

Still, i thought Stalone's Dredd was quite fun TBH. It didnt take itself too seriously. Also, the special effects work was truly amazing. I loved the look of Mega City, esp at night when the neon lights and bustling market scenes reminded me a lot of my favourite film of all time, BLADE RUNNER!

I'm hoping the makers of this new re-boot bring something equally, if not more visually impressive, with added acting chops and gritty, violence! Basically a proper translation to film of the REAL Judge Dredd!

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RE: New Judge Dredd film greenlit - 25/12/2011 2:25:38 PM   
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As Tharg put it in a recent 2000AD prog...

2012 - the year of the Living Dredd

... which makes it sound like a George A. Romero zombie flick.


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No Credible Action Hero Has Ever Worn A Codpiece; And, ... - 26/12/2011 2:19:08 PM   
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Hmmm. What I'm asking, Scott, is this: If Urban was wearing a uniform that looked like your Photoshop efforts, would you be happy?. It's an interesting question, as is its corollary: If Matthew Fox had been cast in a film that used the uniform from the new film, would that have worked for you?.

The easy answer is No; the casting, production design, and screenplay should all have been as representative of everything that makes the comic work so well- otherwise what's the point paying money to license Judge Dredd, instead of just creating something original? But the producers of the Stallone film didn't enjoy the industry credibility to cast (for example) Clint Eastwood (i) in the title role; just as the producers of the new film can't afford to outfit everyone in Hilary Devey shoulderpads or venture beyond the foyer of Peach Trees Block.

The untying of Gordian Knots like those outlined above are just some of the difficulties Hollywood Pictures and DNA have to deal with, and which we're spared in our speculation and second-guessing. That doesn't mean we have to meekly accept or approve of their every decision (and I don't), but engaging with the realities of film production through hypothetical dilemmas like those above is as close as any of us are going to get to understanding why films like the Judge Dredd adaptations end up frustrating and disappointing us.




(i) Clint would still be great as JD, but around the time of Flags Of Our Fathers and Letters From Iwo Jima he said he was no longer interested in making "comic books". He was speaking metaphorically, of course (Pink Cadillac and The Gauntlet would be examples of the kind of "comic book" films Eastwood was eschewing); but Vajna, Pressman and Cannon's silly conception of Megacity One would have ruled out the possibility of Clint pulling on the helmet in that film- especially at at a time when he was concentrating on directing and starring in determinedly grown-up fare like The Bridges of Madison County (1995) and Absolute Power (1996). If Hollywood Pictures had shown any interest in adapting two of the best, most sophisticated, stories in the Dredd canon- America and Letter From A Democrat/Revolution- instead of salivating at the merchandising possibilities inherent in flying bikes and Mean Machine action figures, they might have interested Clint in picking up a phallic hand-cannon for one last time.








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In This Instance, The Apostrophe Denotes A Contraction-... - 26/12/2011 2:24:34 PM   
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"Dreddhead, you're (sic) photoshop Dredd trolling is getting very boring" by Spaldron, 19/12/2011 1:08:47 AM

"Am I the only one who finds dreddhead's undiluted fanboyism entertaining?" by superdan, 19/12/2011 12:23:13 PM




The author of one of the above posts has absolutely the right attitude toward Scott's antics: the other needs to go to bed earlier and proofread his posts. As superdan points out, Scott's a f***in' hoot. Nothing he says or does will harm the film; there's no such thing as bad publicity (i), and Scott is singlehandedly making sure the new Dredd film is being talked about and always near the top of the pile at Empire's Future Films Forum.

A demonstrable level of reader interest is a consideration when Empire editorial are deciding how much prominence to afford Dredd (2012) in its pages and when trying to attract advertisers to features on the new film. This thread lay fallow for a long time until Scott showed up: whether he realises it or not, Scott's doing a lot of DNA's work for them.

And at least Scott's patter is original: reading countless posts reiterating the received wisdom that the new film's uniform looks like Ezquerra's original design (does it f***), or citing District 9 as precedent- the two films have hee-haw in common (ii)- makes me worry that the cynical view of humanity held by Adolf Hitler and the Marketing/PR industries (iii) may hold some water. Whatever else you think about Scott, his thoughts are his own and he's never 'very boring'.




(i) I still went to see Alien 3 at the pictures despite the countless negative things I'd read about it, how about you?

(ii) Apart from being shot in South Africa for pennies (pfennigs?), there aren't many important points of comparison. Dredd's an action shooter: District 9's prevailing narrative mode was satire with a bit of body horror- like Dave Cronenberg directing Jonathan Swift, or Paul Verhoeven remaking Soul Man. Dredd's effects are mostly old school and practical, while the majority of D9's cast were pixel-based.

(iii) The twin evils of German National Socialism and the Marketing industry both founded their twisted philosophies on the belief that humanity is a dull, uncomprehending herd in constant need of direction.










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RE: New Judge Dredd film greenlit - 27/12/2011 12:51:26 AM   
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Judge Dredd: I AM THE LAW screenplay sample - by the Phantom writer....


ROOF
Judge Mars appears on the roof. He sees Judge Hortez running across the roof towards a pedway-crosslink. It is a pedway tunnel connecting one Block to another.
MARS
(into his mike)
Drokk! He’s heading for the Block pedway-crosslink!
Hortez turns around and sees Mars. He fires at him. Mars dives to the ground and returns fire.
MARS (CONT’D)
Leg shot!
His aim is perfect. Hortez falls to the ground in pain, his right leg bleeding from the bullet wound. He drops the Lawgiver from his hand.
Hades climbs up the wall and reaches the roof. Hortez crawls along the roof trying to reach his Lawgiver. Mars places his heavy boot on the gun. Hortez looks up to see the imposing faces of the two SJS Judges looking down at him.
HADES
According to Justice Department’s criminal code: fleeing from a Judge is presumption of guilt. So what’s your crime?
Hades grabs Hortez by his collar.
HORTEZ
Arrgh!
HADES
I must say you’ve come down in the world. Look at you. Too much contact with the citizens really is bad for you.
HORTEZ
Curse you, Hades!
HADES
You’ve been a bad, bad Judge, Hortez. Sexual misdemeanours are one thing, but illegally accessing sector house crime files is beyond the pale.
HORTEZ
(breathless)
Really? I doubt Chief Judge Hershey will see it like that, once she knows what I say is the truth. I’m prepared to submit myself to a full trial and interrogation.
HADES
Self-righteous to the end. How noble of you. Fact is you’re just another corrupt Judge.
HORTEZ
And you’d know about that.
HADES
We’re incorruptible. But you... you have no allegiance to your badge, your code. Merely to base emotions. And there is no worse type of Judge than that.
Hades nods at Mars. Mars drags Hortez along the roof towards its edge.
HORTEZ
Wait! You can’t... you can’t do this! I demand you take me in for trial!
HADES
You forget, Hortez - I’m judge, jury and executioner. And you have been found guilty. The sentence is death.
HORTEZ
No! Please!
Hortez struggles, digging his hands into the ground, trying to stop Mars from dragging him to the roof’s edge.
HORTEZ (CONT’D)
For the love of Grud!
Mars drags him to the edge. Hortez’s head hangs over the side.
HORTEZ (CONT’D)
No!
Then his upper body.
HORTEZ (CONT’D)
Please!
Then his waist.
HORTEZ (CONT'D)
See you in...
Mars pushes him off the edge. Hortez plummets to Block-bottom, his last word echoing out:
HORTEZ (CONT'D)
Hell!
The Judges look down. Focus on their faces showing no emotion.







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RE: New Judge Dredd film greenlit - 27/12/2011 12:57:45 AM   
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Fuck off with this crap!

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RE: New Judge Dredd film greenlit - 27/12/2011 1:04:02 AM   
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Did you know Sauchieboy is John Wagner. Yep, the guy that created and writes Judge Dredd.

It's him, seriously! He actually admitted it on IMDB Dredd 2012 board then tried to deny it "as a joke." But he's actually John Wagner. So be careful what you type because Mr Wagner knows Judge Dredd. One temporal e-mail by Sauchieboy into the future and Dredd will use a Justice Dept time machine and bust us for internet board scrawl!

Ask Sauchieboy anything about Judge Dredd and he will know it. Ask him anything and he will quote you lines of dialogue, old Wagner comments, progs, you name it, this guy knows his Dredd. He's not a 2000AD fan, he's John Wagner pretending to be a regular message board user. He admitted it on IMDB:

"Alright, Scott; I admit it. I should have known you were wise to me- after all; we go back a long way, you and me, Son. Was it my use of the Scottish vernacular that gave me away? At any rate, you've cleverly seized upon the one glaring anomaly in thirty-odd years of Dredd continuity- the Polders/Tell anachronism- and I have to admit that this was an embarrassing error of judgement on my part. I'm not a young man anymore, Scott; the strain on me has been heavy and I wish, perhaps, that my resolve had been a little greater when I made the decision to step away from my writing commitments in the Nineties."

He then went back on that and said it was just to humour me but it's real. He admitted he was John Wagner, that he wrote Origins, that he made a slight mistake, that I found him out.

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RE: New Judge Dredd film greenlit - 27/12/2011 1:13:00 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: dreddhead123

Did you know Sauchieboy is John Wagner. Yep, the guy that created and writes Judge Dredd.

It's him, seriously! He actually admitted it on IMDB Dredd 2012 board then tried to deny it "as a joke." But he's actually John Wagner. So be careful what you type because Mr Wagner knows Judge Dredd. One temporal e-mail by Sauchieboy into the future and Dredd will use a Justice Dept time machine and bust us for internet board scrawl!

Ask Sauchieboy anything about Judge Dredd and he will know it. Ask him anything and he will quote you lines of dialogue, old Wagner comments, progs, you name it, this guy knows his Dredd. He's not a fan, he's John Wagner pretending to be a regular message board user.


Y'know posting private details about users can get you banned. Even if you completely made it up.

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RE: New Judge Dredd film greenlit - 27/12/2011 1:26:52 AM   
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ORIGINAL: dreddhead123

Judge Dredd: I AM THE LAW screenplay sample - by the Phantom writer....


ROOF
Judge Mars appears on the roof. He sees Judge Hortez running across the roof towards a pedway-crosslink. It is a pedway tunnel connecting one Block to another.
MARS
(into his mike)
Drokk! He's heading for the Block pedway-crosslink!
Hortez turns around and sees Mars. He fires at him. Mars dives to the ground and returns fire.
MARS (CONT'D)
Leg shot!
His aim is perfect. Hortez falls to the ground in pain, his right leg bleeding from the bullet wound. He drops the Lawgiver from his hand.
Hades climbs up the wall and reaches the roof. Hortez crawls along the roof trying to reach his Lawgiver. Mars places his heavy boot on the gun. Hortez looks up to see the imposing faces of the two SJS Judges looking down at him.
HADES
According to Justice Department's criminal code: fleeing from a Judge is presumption of guilt. So what's your crime?
Hades grabs Hortez by his collar.
HORTEZ
Arrgh!
HADES
I must say you've come down in the world. Look at you. Too much contact with the citizens really is bad for you.
HORTEZ
Curse you, Hades!
HADES
You've been a bad, bad Judge, Hortez. Sexual misdemeanours are one thing, but illegally accessing sector house crime files is beyond the pale.
HORTEZ
(breathless)
Really? I doubt Chief Judge Hershey will see it like that, once she knows what I say is the truth. I'm prepared to submit myself to a full trial and interrogation.
HADES
Self-righteous to the end. How noble of you. Fact is you're just another corrupt Judge.
HORTEZ
And you'd know about that.
HADES
We're incorruptible. But you... you have no allegiance to your badge, your code. Merely to base emotions. And there is no worse type of Judge than that.
Hades nods at Mars. Mars drags Hortez along the roof towards its edge.
HORTEZ
Wait! You can't... you can't do this! I demand you take me in for trial!
HADES
You forget, Hortez - I'm judge, jury and executioner. And you have been found guilty. The sentence is death.
HORTEZ
No! Please!
Hortez struggles, digging his hands into the ground, trying to stop Mars from dragging him to the roof's edge.
HORTEZ (CONT'D)
For the love of Grud!
Mars drags him to the edge. Hortez's head hangs over the side.
HORTEZ (CONT'D)
No!
Then his upper body.
HORTEZ (CONT'D)
Please!
Then his waist.
HORTEZ (CONT'D)
See you in...
Mars pushes him off the edge. Hortez plummets to Block-bottom, his last word echoing out:
HORTEZ (CONT'D)
Hell!
The Judges look down. Focus on their faces showing no emotion.








But the comics are funny. Where's the funny?


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RE: New Judge Dredd film greenlit - 27/12/2011 1:32:02 AM   
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RE: New Judge Dredd film greenlit - 27/12/2011 2:48:15 AM   
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Regarding the possibility Mr Sauchieboy is J. Wagner, here is a 'fan tribute' Daily Star Judge Dredd story outline I did.....


Caption reads:

Another day in Mega-City 1, another crime....

Caption ends.

Two perps have just robbed a MC-1 bank. They hold the loot in their hands. They hear a lawmaster's siren wailing in the distance.

Perp#1
"Drokk! It's the law!"

Perp#2
"Hey, look, it's the Mega-City 1 Backwards Marathon!"

Thousands of athletes enter the roadway. Their bodies facing in the opposite direction - they are running backwards.

Caption reads:

The Mega-City 1 backwards marathon is held once a year. Unlike the city's regular marathon, the athletes run this course backwards.

Caption ends.

The course goes past the bank. Judge Dredd stops his lawmaster bike and looks ahead at the two perps.

Perp#1
"We'll lose Dredd in the crowd!"

Perp#2
"Smart thinkin'!"

They mingle into the crowd of athletes.

Perp#1
"He'll never spot us! Start running!"

They start running - backwards, of course.

Perp#1
"Keep up the pace!"

Perp#2
"I think we lost him!"

Running as fast at they can.... they head straight at Judge Dredd.

Dredd
"Going somewhere, creeps?"

Perp#1
"W-what the..?"

Dredd cuffs the two perps.

Dredd
"Armed robbery. Ten years. Allow me to run you down to the cubes!"









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I'm Not Using 'Ich Luge' Bullets - 27/12/2011 7:41:21 PM   
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It's not a trick question, Scott. I've decided that Dredd forums without the entertainment provided by your shenanigans are duller than Downton Abbey. Forget what's happened elsewhere: you and me are pals here. So, bearing that in mind; what's more important to Judge Dredd's successful transition from the printed page to the silver screen: casting the right actor or successfully adapting the uniform? And anyone else can feel free to join in if they want.







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RE: New Judge Dredd film greenlit - 27/12/2011 7:49:09 PM   
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quote:

Spaldron: Y'know posting private details about users can get you banned. Even if you completely made it up.

Deviation: /backseatmod





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I Like A Laugh, Me - 27/12/2011 7:58:18 PM   
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quote:

But the comics are funny. Where's the funny?



I wouldn't say there wasn't anything funny about Scott's script excerpt, but Rgirvan does have a point concerning the fundamental importance of humour to the Dredd strip. He's not alone either, Alan Grant has gone as far as stating he has "no interest in writing anything serious at all. If I can't have a laugh with it, it's really boring." (i); and when Wagner rimes off his formative comic strip influences, it's the work of Dudley D Watkins and the countless, nameless humour comics howkers who toiled in the tattie fields of DC Thomson's vast Fourth Estate that he cites.

Most of the stories from the Dredd strip's Eighties heydey are funny. Words like satire and the unnecessary qualification in the term black humour, when applied to the work of Wagner and Grant, are emolliants to insecure fans (ii) and the post-Watchmen comic-reading cognoscenti. Both writers are masters of tailoring their stories to their audience, peppering their 2000ad work with enough badassery and political resonance (which I enjoy), to assuage the anxieties of those still afraid they'll be laughed at for reading juvenile material, that what they're reading is serious and for adults: but the dominant mode of their work is almost always comedy. The answer to Grant's despairing rhetorical question, "What do these people dislike about humour?"(iii), lies in that first time one of your teenage pals found you reading a comic and ripped the pish out of you for being a baby.

More practical reasons are probably behind Dredd (2012)'s grim posturing, though. Comedy's a very subjective thing; unlike narrative modes such as action or pornography, which can be evaluated with reference to objective technical criteria (even if they don't work for you), if a joke falls flat with its intended audience, there's no disputing its failure. I can see why Alex Garland might not want to try his hand at something he's so (professionally) unfamiliar as comedy, where the distinction between success or failure is so absolute.

Both Wagner and Grant maintain that the reason they "can write humour properly together ... (but) can't generally speaking write drama or tragedy" (iv), is that "(h)umorous writing is a synergy, greater than the sum of its parts, whereas emotional or dramatic writing (with 2) is always a compromise' (v); so maybe it isn't surprising Garland's solo script is 'not really going for the comedy'(vi). But, even following the demise of Wagner and Grant's creative partnership, when the prevailing theme of their work had become death (vii), both men's work is still pish your pants funny (viii). We'll have to wait until September to see how well a Dredd film that dispenses with the comedy, to affirm its credentials as a serious film for adults, can work.





(i) Blast #4, September 1991

(ii) If you want to understand the difference between Wagner/Grant-style wry self-deprecation and goonish mugging (in the context of film), watch the first two Terminator sequels. The co-option of Blues authenticity, biker-chic, and the cultural resonance of the Rayban brand in Sequel Number Two's scene where Arnie leaves the roadhouse in stolen leathers; is a knowing acknowledgement of the homo-erotic, geeky-kid dream of being cool that the story represents for director James Cameron. The corresponding, self-referential scene in that film's successor- like its leading man- is tired, camp, desperate and ridiculous.

(iii) 2000ad Review

(iv) Blast #4, September 1991

(v) 2000ad Review

(vi) Empire, September 2011

(vii) Chopper, Alpha, The Mean Team; and Judges Corey, Morphy, Kraken, Silver and (figuratively, at least) Dredd himself would fall into The Big Sleep in the three or four years it took Wagner and Grant to leave their 2000ad home, while trying to prevent their younger siblings from being able to play with all their old toys. Some hope: Ennis and the frighteningly untalented Alan Mackenzie skull-fu*ked the corpse of Marlon Shakespeare in some deeply average post-Song Of The Surfer stories; Hilary Robinson decided that the cuddly pootycat had survived the Mean Team's WildBunch-ing; Mark Millar was only the first chancer to make it clear to readers why Robohunter didn't work without the core creative team; and only the classic, final-page Carlos Ezquerra image of Dredd and Alpha swaggering nonchalantly into the Radlands of Ji, made Ennis's dis-interring of Nelson Bunker Kreelman's dirty little secret in Judgement Day anything more than a pointless piece of fanboy necrophilia.

(viii) From The Confessions Of PJ Maybe, part two. Prog 633


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Arf! You can ascertain the age profile of a forum by how many members get Radio Four references.





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Yer No Awa' Tae Bide Awa' - 27/12/2011 8:23:51 PM   
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Aw-w-w, dinnae be like that, Spaldron. If ye cannae huv a laugh, whits the f*ckin' point? At least Scott posts regularly- what gems have you contributed lately? See my 'In This Instance ...' post above for why I think this forum needs all the members it can get to post as much as possible- even you and Scott.

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Spaldron: Y'know posting private details about users can get you banned. Even if you completely made it up.

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Yeah, Spaldron thinks he's the f*ckin' polis. Deviation, did your parents call your siblings Hesitation and Repetition?



One page of a thread and so many pops at other posters? I don't care where or if you posted before, but ratchet back on the personal attacks, and stick to the discussion of the future film. I.e., talk to the post not at the poster, please. Spaldron is entirely correct on the issue of posting personal details. /backseatmod is, sadly, a site meme. And, oddly, we don't need to be coy with asterisks in the word fucking - just don't wear it out. Which oddly is also in the site rules - which I'm sure all new users will have read when they signed up to them.

We don't care if people have been banned elsewhere - bringing claims of that up here are not relevant to the discussion of the film on this site and can only be interpreted as a means to attack other posters. Posters have a clean start here - it would be grossly unfair otherwise. But obviously if they brought the behaviour that caused the ban elsewhere to their posts on here it would be unlikely that they would be staying here long.


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