dreddhead123
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Okay, I won't mention it again but let me add this....
I have been posting on 2000AD related forums since 2001. Not once have I ever seen any fan post actual lines of dialogue from Judge Dredd strips - not once have I seen any fan claim they are John Wagner, that they wrote Origins. Sauchiboy did. In fact, he added one of the classic lines from America to one of his posts and it was done in such a subtle way I doubt 99.9 percent of the entire fan base would have spotted it. How many fans have ever done that?
None. No fan would do that. Let's hope he isn't John Wagner otherwise he's going to be laughing his Dredd socks off at you lot. His disguise is working.
Oh, and he also admitted he was a Dredd writer too. And he's Scottish. And by an amazing coincidence John Wagner is a Dredd writer and Scottish. And knows bits of dialogue from his strips too.
And Sauchieboy knows every John Wagner quote, every interview he's ever done (even the most obscure ones). If this guy isn't John Wagner then he's deranged because he admitted he was on IMDB, then denied he said he was. So it's John Wagner or a crazy loon. Based on his rather detailed posts on this forum he doesn't strike me as crazy.
This is not some crazy conspiracy by me. It's all documented here (and I can assure you Sauchieboy has kept a lot of the IMDB posts too).
From the IMDB Dredd 2012 board.
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I wrote this:
Please explain this comment:
"Now, despite the fact that I don't write as many weekly Dredd stories as I used to, I haven't got time to trawl through all Scott's previous posts to find the first time he accused me of being John Wagner."
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1343727/board/thread/192070887?d=192070922 &p=1#192070922
"Now, despite the fact that I don't write as many weekly Dredd stories as I used to"
Is this a genuine comment or are you making this up? If you are not John Wagner, why would you type that you don't write as many weekly Dredd stories as you used to do? If you are not John Wagner then you must be Alan Grant or Gordon Rennie (both Dredd writers, both don't write on a regular basis).
"For the record I am not and have never been Dredd creator John Wagner. Sorry, Scott."
You're claiming you're not John Wagner now even though you admitted you were.
Sauchieboy wrote:
"Alright, Scott; I admit it. I should have known you were wise to me- after all; we go back a long way, you and me, Son. Was it my use of the Scottish vernacular that gave me away? At any rate, you've cleverly seized upon the one glaring anomaly in thirty-odd years of Dredd continuity- the Polders/Tell anachronism- and I have to admit that this was an embarrassing error of judgement on my part. I'm not a young man anymore, Scott; the strain on me has been heavy and I wish, perhaps, that my resolve had been a little greater when I made the decision to step away from my writing commitments in the Nineties."
I wrote:
You said "you were wise to me." You said "error of judgement on my part" regarding the contradiction in Origins. Why would this guy - who is a huge fan of John Wagner's work - he's the guy that posts so many of his old quotes - this is a guy that wrote "no-one writes Dredd better than Wagner" - PRETEND TO BE HIM for a few posts? Why would Sauchieboy do that? If you have so much respect for a 2000AD writer you think it's right to impersonate him? Sauchieboy, I don't believe even a geeky fan would do that. Your defence is
"How could I deny Scott the chance to finally make the breakthrough he'd always dreamed of? Telling him I wasn't John Wagner would be like telling a kid that Santa wasn't real. I mean I didn't say I was wagner, but I didn't say I wasn't either ...
It's fairly obvious what I was up to: everything above is a shameless confirmation of Scott's world view: busy and successful comic industry professionals waste their time trying to manipulate fan-opinion on the internet; Garland's script is crap; Origins contradicts The Cal Files, so his Amazon review wasn't just sour grapes; being a pain in the arse will make people pay attention to your ideas and employ you in your dream job. Anyone with even a sliver of self-awareness would have seen through it."
This does not explain why you felt it was necessary to be John Wagner. You're saying you replied just to reinforce Scott's 'fantasy' view that pro writers would bother to reply to him, but what makes you think it's acceptable to explain why John Wagner made an error of judgement. If you're not John Wagner, don't you think it's wrong for you to post as him? I would say so. You're saying "I will pretend I'm John Wagner to convince Scojo I am him to just make him feel better, to pander to his delusion" even though this makes you dishonest, masquerading as John Wagner, claiming you wrote Origins when you didn't! You even the effrontery to say his writing of Origins was an error"on my part" (Wagner's). That is outrageous dishonesty. If you're a Judge Dredd writer but not Mr Wagner then claiming you are and trying to palm off Origins as you're own is a low deception.
I think Sauchieboy is John Wagner. He is not a crazy loon impersonating him so the only other explanation is it is John Wagner.
This is the smoking gun proof - his own reply in which he is forced to admit he pretended to be Wagner when it's him all the time!
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1343727/board/thread/192070887?d=192070954&p=1#192070954
What better deception than to pretend to be the guy and then deny it. Only the real John Wagner would dare to do that! What fan would dare to claim they wrote Origins, that they made a slight mistake. No fan would dream of impersonating the great John Wagner. Seriously, who would? No-one. But John Wagner would.
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If any of you are thinking some of the above sounds a little familiar, that's probably because it's an amalgam of Fargo, Goodman and Judd's dialogue from Origins- the story Scott had just spent about twenty posts arguing with BURLEARTH over, in maddening detail and ever decreasing circles. There's a little of Wagner in there too: I'm particularly taken with 'I wish, perhaps, that my resolve had been a little greater', which is a pinch from Wagner's 'I wish, perhaps, that the budget had been a little greater' from the same Dundee speech I reference later in the post. All the clues were there if Scott wanted to follow them- the title of my post even references the greatest identity fake-out in the Dredd strip's history, ferchrissakes.
No fan would ever take Origins dialogue and use it the way Sauchiboy did. That is beyond fan geekyness but the real John Wagner would use his own dialogue to show off it's actually him.  I would stake this week's prog on Sauchieboy being John Wagner. It's him and he's posting here.
And one last point - who the heck would even BOTHER TO SPEND THE TIME TO WRITE THIS:
quote:
Alright, Scott; I admit it. I should have known you were wise to me- after all; we go back a long way, you and me, Son. Was it my use of the Scottish vernacular that gave me away? At any rate, you've cleverly seized upon the one glaring anomaly in thirty-odd years of Dredd continuity- the Polders/Tell anachronism- and I have to admit that this was an embarrassing error of judgement on my part. I'm not a young man anymore, Scott; the strain on me has been heavy and I wish, perhaps, that my resolve had been a little greater when I made the decision to step away from my writing commitments in the Nineties.
That's no excuse for short-changing loyal readers like yourself though, Scott, and damaging my reputation for absolute probity. I did something I should not have done and in desperation I thought it was better to conceal the truth concerning my moment of human frailty. I tried to deny it, but I didn't believe in myself anymore- I kept asking myself, 'have I done the right thing?'. The readers believe in me, but therein lay the key- one step over the line and the whole edifice crumbles. I had deadlines to meet and who knows how much longer is left to me ...?
Acknowledging that mistake is what has made me break cover, Scott. This is a perilous step to take, but I feel I must try to persuade you to overlook our past differences and get behind the new Dredd (2012) film. We've all got a lot invested (literally and metaphorically) in this film being a success, but you've done a hell of a job convincing everyone on the internet that it's a fundamentally flawed enterprise. You've distinguished yourself despite your young age, in a way a lesser man could never have achieved.
It's too late now to address the problems I referred to in Dundee; many of which emanate from Garland's flawed script, as you've correctly identified in previous posts. What's done is done, Scott: what good purpose is served by exposing our mistakes now? What message would that send to our enemies? Aren't we in danger of shooting ourselves in the foot? You never heard this from me, you understand- I'll delete this post forthwith- but I need you beside me on this one, Scott: I call on you to pledge your allegiance to the new film. I'm asking you, begging you; it's not too late ... we can fix this.
To this end, I have initiated discussions with Rebellion and the movie people to involve you in future projects and bring this disastrous parting of the ways to a fair and just conclusion. To see the truth of my words and claim what is yours by right, simply contact me through my Facebook page, Son.
but John Wagner? Would you write all that? Of course not. Would a casual Dredd/2000AD fan write that? No way. It's too long, too detailed for an average fan. The average fan would too what Spaldron has done and write
"Who the f*** cares what you think, Dreddhead. STFU!" What Dredd fan would write all of that detailreply other than someone closely associated with Judge Dredd. And there's no-one more closely associated with Judge Dredd than Mr John Wagner. Conclusion - Sauchieboy is John Wagner.
< Message edited by dreddhead123 -- 9/1/2012 2:56:14 AM >
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RE: Dredd - 
to all this, Mr Wagner hasn't posted on his Facebook page for month or so. It's possible Rebellion or DNA have asked him to stay quiet until the film is out. This could explain why Sauchieboy is posting here. He'll never admit he is Wagner but he actually admitted he was on IMDB then denied it. But his admission - claiming he was John Wagner and that he wrote Origins - was up on the IMDB Dredd forum. I'm near 100 percent convinced Sauchieboy is John Wagner. What better avenues of expression than to post on Empire and IMDB forums? Much better than Facebook because he can hide his true identity here. 
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