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RE: Babylon 5 - 1/12/2009 2:33:21 PM   
Zaphod121


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You can watch Thirdspace too if you've got that, as it's set in the middle of S4.

No don't have Thirdspace, don't really know what the other movies are about so at this point I don't have a massive interest in them.

I'm just quite chuffed that we've got another convert really; I did wonder if Babylon 5 might get lost and would simply be remembered well by those who were there at the time.

It look like HIM might have been one but he never posted whether he watched past S2. As for me it's been a show that I've wanted to check out for ages and I'm glad I finally did, it wasn't I expected but great none the less.



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The question is, do we recommend Crusade, Legend of the Rangers or Lost Tales?*




*no.


Crusade I'm not going to bother with, from what I've read it sounds like it got messed around with alot. Now was Legend of the Rangers that one that was supposed to be a TV movie/pilot (sort of like The Gathering - which I still have yet to watch) but never got a full series?
After I've finished B5 I would love to get stuck into another long running sci-fi epic. As far as DS9 goes, it is similar to B5 in that it takes a while for the story arc to get up and running?

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RE: Babylon 5 - 1/12/2009 2:51:54 PM   
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After I've finished B5 I would love to get stuck into another long running sci-fi epic. As far as DS9 goes, it is similar to B5 in that it takes a while for the story arc to get up and running?


I can't remember, have you watched BSG yet?

DS9 is distinct enough to be interesting. Whereas B5 was "Lord in the Rings in Space" DS9 takes an already established society and shows the underbelly of it. It is good in its own right, and much like B5, has a great ensemble cast of guest actors. Because it is the only Trek show that doesn't really go out exploring, it is the only one where you feel that there are fully functional societies operating all around the Federation.

It is a good show, takes a while to build up steam, but the final 4 seasons get pretty epic.

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RE: Babylon 5 - 1/12/2009 3:22:14 PM   
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I'm halfway through season 1 and finding it a chore, if I skip to season 2 will I regret it?

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RE: Babylon 5 - 1/12/2009 3:42:31 PM   
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I'm halfway through season 1 and finding it a chore, if I skip to season 2 will I regret it?


Yeah, you will. Some pretty important stuff is coming up.

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RE: Babylon 5 - 1/12/2009 4:00:26 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Zaphod121

After I've finished B5 I would love to get stuck into another long running sci-fi epic. As far as DS9 goes, it is similar to B5 in that it takes a while for the story arc to get up and running?


I can't remember, have you watched BSG yet?

DS9 is distinct enough to be interesting. Whereas B5 was "Lord in the Rings in Space" DS9 takes an already established society and shows the underbelly of it. It is good in its own right, and much like B5, has a great ensemble cast of guest actors. Because it is the only Trek show that doesn't really go out exploring, it is the only one where you feel that there are fully functional societies operating all around the Federation.

It is a good show, takes a while to build up steam, but the final 4 seasons get pretty epic.

Oh yeah, BSG has been one of my faves for a few years now.

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RE: Babylon 5 - 1/12/2009 4:01:55 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Zaphod121

After I've finished B5 I would love to get stuck into another long running sci-fi epic. As far as DS9 goes, it is similar to B5 in that it takes a while for the story arc to get up and running?


I can't remember, have you watched BSG yet?

DS9 is distinct enough to be interesting. Whereas B5 was "Lord in the Rings in Space" DS9 takes an already established society and shows the underbelly of it. It is good in its own right, and much like B5, has a great ensemble cast of guest actors. Because it is the only Trek show that doesn't really go out exploring, it is the only one where you feel that there are fully functional societies operating all around the Federation.

It is a good show, takes a while to build up steam, but the final 4 seasons get pretty epic.

Oh yeah, BSG has been one of my faves for a few years now.


Was it just me or are the unifroms on B5 and BSG rather similar?

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RE: Babylon 5 - 1/12/2009 4:05:33 PM   
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Now that you mention it they kind of are, though the B5 uniforms feel more 90s.

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RE: Babylon 5 - 1/12/2009 5:32:03 PM   
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I quite liked The Lost Tales, even if much of that was really just because it was nice being back in the Babylon 5 universe again. And I reckon you can get by with just the last 4 episodes of the first season, if you're really struggling.

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RE: Babylon 5 - 2/12/2009 11:51:11 AM   
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well ron moore wrote for TNG/ds9 and created the new BSG.
ok, tenuous link but the shows kinda feed off each other.

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RE: Babylon 5 - 3/12/2009 9:24:52 PM   
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well ron moore wrote for TNG/ds9 and created the new BSG.
ok, tenuous link but the shows kinda feed off each other.


Ugh.Please dont compare B5 to that rubbish BSG remake and DS9.


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RE: Babylon 5 - 16/2/2010 5:49:55 PM   
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From waaaay back.

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I think he does his own right wing radio show now. Still, sounds like a cool guy.


I was listening to The Babylon Podcast t'other day and it had a recent interview with Jerry Doyle on it, promoting his new book (which is called something like 'Have You Seen My Country'). He's got a really interesting career story and it's worth listening to for that alone. He's a total firebrand, but really entertaining with it -- he was a Republican candidate but (shockingly!) lost a lot of faith in the party. I'm guessing they didn't talk about politics much while on set, not without a Vorlon around to break up the fights anyway.

From the same podcast, there were a couple of episodes with a JMS interview from just before Christmas that are well worth getting too where he breaks down a few things about where and why certain things went wrong and the franchise as a whole.


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RE: Babylon 5 - 16/2/2010 7:01:25 PM   
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Thanks for the tip-off, those sound interesting. Caught a couple of the repeats on FX the other day, the season 3 finale still rocks.

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RE: Babylon 5 - 18/2/2010 11:56:01 AM   
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so we all checked show from s1-5?

so final thoughts?

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RE: Babylon 5 - 19/2/2010 5:14:45 PM   
Dirty Hartigan


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From the same podcast, there were a couple of episodes with a JMS interview from just before Christmas that are well worth getting too where he breaks down a few things about where and why certain things went wrong and the franchise as a whole.



Caught up with these finally, very interesting to listen to, though I did a double take when he talked about a new series of B5, remakes and reboots - whatever happened to the man's integrity?

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RE: Babylon 5 - 19/2/2010 5:58:12 PM   
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I don't remember too much about that. Wasn't it more of a leading question, like 'So, what would it take to get you back to the franchise?' and they used the Star Trek TNG comparison. But y'know, I don't think I'd be entirely against the idea of a film that took some of the central ideas about the series and did a big feature film abou them; even if I've no idea how you'd compress that sort of stuff into a single storyline where the series' greatest strength was its on-going narrative. One thing that's quite apparent with the franchise as a whole, and plagued Star Trek even more so, is that when you start projecting into the future within your existing storylines, it places a ceiling on the storytelling - you can't advance certain aspects because you'll be contradicting yourself. I think there's some room to maneouvre in B5, particularly if it's projected forward to one of the time periods from Deconstruction of Falling Stars, but that's not something I'm massively interested in.

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RE: Babylon 5 - 19/2/2010 6:22:19 PM   
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I don't remember too much about that. Wasn't it more of a leading question, like 'So, what would it take to get you back to the franchise?' and they used the Star Trek TNG comparison. But y'know, I don't think I'd be entirely against the idea of a film that took some of the central ideas about the series and did a big feature film abou them; even if I've no idea how you'd compress that sort of stuff into a single storyline where the series' greatest strength was its on-going narrative. One thing that's quite apparent with the franchise as a whole, and plagued Star Trek even more so, is that when you start projecting into the future within your existing storylines, it places a ceiling on the storytelling - you can't advance certain aspects because you'll be contradicting yourself. I think there's some room to maneouvre in B5, particularly if it's projected forward to one of the time periods from Deconstruction of Falling Stars, but that's not something I'm massively interested in.


That's one thing I liked about B5 though, their looks into the future were for the most part always the actual future of that universe, rather than alternate timelines and whatnot that Star Trek always seemed to do at that time. I've just always seen B5 as something that was designed to end, so I don't really have a problem with a ceiling on the storytelling.

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RE: Babylon 5 - 19/2/2010 8:01:16 PM   
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Oh sure, not within the Babylon 5 series itself, but when you start talking about sequels or series set within the same timeline, it's limiting because certain key events have already been defined.




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RE: Babylon 5 - 20/2/2010 1:31:08 PM   
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Oh sure, not within the Babylon 5 series itself, but when you start talking about sequels or series set within the same timeline, it's limiting because certain key events have already been defined.






we don't know everyting about events/characters fates between s1 and after 'crusade' so there is room to manuever.

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RE: Babylon 5 - 24/2/2010 1:31:03 PM   
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This thread has made me rewatch B5 all over again, nearly done with season 2. surprised how much I remembered. Always loved how tha aliens were fully rounded cultures unlike star trek where every race is defined by one charactic. Would be great if they remastered the series with improved CGI, shame there is nothing they can do about the lapses into cheesy dialogue and hammy acting.

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RE: Babylon 5 - 24/2/2010 2:57:12 PM   
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Ain't that the truth. A recent re-watch really showed how thankless the role of Delenn was in this show.

"A thousand years ago...." seemed to be at the start of half of her scripts.

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RE: Babylon 5 - 24/2/2010 5:40:49 PM   
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Just so we're falling on the positive side of feedback: every bit of cheesy dialogue is easily compensated by an awesome monologue. 

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RE: Babylon 5 - 24/2/2010 7:11:07 PM   
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I still say it's the only show that ever managed to do a series wide arc properly.

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RE: Babylon 5 - 24/2/2010 7:36:20 PM   
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What you mean "properly"? Cause BSG did it, and by all accounts, so will Lost.

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RE: Babylon 5 - 24/2/2010 7:42:50 PM   
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Never watched BSG, but I know people on here have accused the writers of making it up as they go along at various points, and god knows that probably goes about triple for LOST, but you never had that with B5

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RE: Babylon 5 - 24/2/2010 7:48:59 PM   
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I guess it depends on how you're defining a series wide arc, but off the top of my head - I'd say The Shield nailed it in terms of refering back to its first episode and how they events of that set in motion everything that followed. Similarly, while The Wire's seasons can be broken down and stand as separate entities, the way in which it addressed and reinforced its central themes and how everything builds upon what has passed over the course of the show (and cycled back to it) means I definitely think that show did too.

Edit: (Typing at the same time )

In Galactica they totally made it up as they went, however I don't think that's automatically a criticism in terms of what's actually put on screen. The last episodes (i.e. the three parter) do a really great job of banging square pegs into round holes, but I do question exactly how much of the last season was actually relevant in terms of advancing the story.


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RE: Babylon 5 - 24/2/2010 7:59:24 PM   
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BSG didn't make EVERYTHING up as it went along, but its not really a criticism. I think B5 with season 5 showed that having a carefully planned arc did not always equal a better story. Vut BSG told a complete story that is internally consistant, and while you may not like the answers it gives, it is a fully realised arc.

Both a planned arc and a more loose plan are pefectlly valid, as long as they make sense with what has come before.


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RE: Babylon 5 - 25/2/2010 9:20:51 AM   
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Would I be right in saying that B5 was the first TV series to run a complete story arc like that?

Two more episodes in and the scripting is as cheesy as ever, but damm it's a great story, and the characters that work really work. Bruce Boxlieter still hasn't fully settled into the role but he will. And while the CGI is of it's time there is no denying the ships are some of the most beautiful of any sci fi show ever. forgotten what a huge crush I had on Talia Winters....

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RE: Babylon 5 - 25/2/2010 9:46:11 AM   
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I think it was the first to complete its story, but was not the first attempt at an arc based drama. You had the Michael Mann produced Crime Story and Twin Peaks before B5.

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RE: Babylon 5 - 25/2/2010 9:57:27 AM   
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I too am on  Babylon 5 Project!  We're poart way through Season 3.  The Command staff have just got new uniforms.  I'm liking it, but every now and again there's a one-off episode, what we have started to refer to as, "calm-down" episodes.  I wish they'd ditch and just crack on with the Shadow War!

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RE: Babylon 5 - 25/2/2010 2:20:33 PM   
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still think that though telepath arc in s5 was bit weak the show went out on a high concluding sheridan and londo's arc.

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