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RE: Babylon 5. Worth a punt? - 28/8/2009 1:42:28 PM   
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Babylon 5 was one of the best (if not THE best) Sci-fi show. It is just a shame that ropey special effects and occasionally cheesy acting will stop many from discovering this.


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RE: Babylon 5. Worth a punt? - 29/8/2009 1:45:41 PM   
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hey, when u think talia was given her alt personality by psi corps?
also when did lord refa 1st appear?

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RE: Babylon 5. Worth a punt? - 3/10/2009 11:51:52 AM   
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So I finished Season 3 yesterday - SPOILERS AHEAD, just in case

Really really good stuff. Have to say some of my favorites ep's where the War Without End 2 parter, seeing the way they tied it into that ep 1 from Season 1 was fantastic, I'd kind of forgotten who much the show has changed since then - and the whole reveal at the end was brilliant, really caught me off guard. Really so many great moments, especially towards the end - the death of Lord Refa, and the races coming together to fight off the shadows, the return of Sheridans wife, Babylon 5's separation from Earth, and there cool new outfits. I have Season 4 ready and waiting so will start that soon.

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RE: Babylon 5. Worth a punt? - 3/10/2009 1:23:04 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Zaphod121

So I finished Season 3 yesterday - SPOILERS AHEAD, just in case

Really really good stuff. Have to say some of my favorites ep's where the War Without End 2 parter, seeing the way they tied it into that ep 1 from Season 1 was fantastic, I'd kind of forgotten who much the show has changed since then - and the whole reveal at the end was brilliant, really caught me off guard. Really so many great moments, especially towards the end - the death of Lord Refa, and the races coming together to fight off the shadows, the return of Sheridans wife, Babylon 5's separation from Earth, and there cool new outfits. I have Season 4 ready and waiting so will start that soon.


marcus and white star good additions to show.
love that sinclair, sheridan and delenn inspired minbari society-the one who was, is, will b.

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RE: Babylon 5. Worth a punt? - 3/10/2009 1:37:51 PM   
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I think its time I watched them again. Back in the day I missed the first (maybe 2nd too) series but I did enjoy it especially the main story arc. Dramatic stuff.

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RE: Babylon 5. Worth a punt? - 3/10/2009 2:58:17 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Zaphod121

So I finished Season 3 yesterday - SPOILERS AHEAD, just in case

Really really good stuff. Have to say some of my favorites ep's where the War Without End 2 parter, seeing the way they tied it into that ep 1 from Season 1 was fantastic, I'd kind of forgotten who much the show has changed since then - and the whole reveal at the end was brilliant, really caught me off guard. Really so many great moments, especially towards the end - the death of Lord Refa, and the races coming together to fight off the shadows, the return of Sheridans wife, Babylon 5's separation from Earth, and there cool new outfits. I have Season 4 ready and waiting so will start that soon.


It's a great season - hard to believe people preferred Deep Space Nine at the time.

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RE: Babylon 5. Worth a punt? - 8/10/2009 12:55:41 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Dirty Hartigan

quote:

ORIGINAL: Zaphod121

So I finished Season 3 yesterday - SPOILERS AHEAD, just in case

Really really good stuff. Have to say some of my favorites ep's where the War Without End 2 parter, seeing the way they tied it into that ep 1 from Season 1 was fantastic, I'd kind of forgotten who much the show has changed since then - and the whole reveal at the end was brilliant, really caught me off guard. Really so many great moments, especially towards the end - the death of Lord Refa, and the races coming together to fight off the shadows, the return of Sheridans wife, Babylon 5's separation from Earth, and there cool new outfits. I have Season 4 ready and waiting so will start that soon.


It's a great season - hard to believe people preferred Deep Space Nine at the time.



ds9 had the spotlight but b5 was coming into its own, its mythology up and running by s2
having JMS writing whole seasons was key to the show's success.

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RE: Babylon 5. Worth a punt? - 17/10/2009 1:27:17 PM   
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(as the Shadow attack fleet comes out of hyperspace)

Ivanova: That's a LOT of ships.Marcus: That's a bloody awful lot of ships.

Ivanova: Jump engines back online yet?

Marcus: No. If I signal the fleet, this lot might pick it up. If they do and we can't get away...

Ivanova: Well, who wants to live forever?

Marcus: I do, actually! But what the hell...(touches the comm. panel) Signal away.


G'Kar: 'It was the end of the Earth year 2260 and the war had paused suddenly and unexpectedly. All around us, it was as if the universe were holding its breath...waiting. All of life can be broken down into moments of transition...or moments of revelation. This had the feeling of both.
G'Quon wrote, "There is a greater darkness than the one we fight. It is the darkness of the soul that has lost its way." The war we fight is not against powers and principalities. It is against chaos and despair. Greater than the death of flesh is the death of hope...the death of dreams. Against this peril we can never surrender.

The future is all around us, waiting in moments of transition, to be born in moments of revelation. No one knows the shape of that future or where it will take us. We know only that it is always born in pain.'


Delenn: 'The humans have a saying: "What is past, is prologue'

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RE: Babylon 5 - 31/10/2009 2:47:37 PM   
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Just finished episode 6 of Season 4, really have no clue where the show can go from here, I have a feeling J. Michael Whatshisface has some card hidden up his sleeve, of course the battle scenes where epic in the truest sense of the word and I loved seeing Vir wave up at the shadow guy's (Mr Morgan was it?) head on a pike - it really does just feel so well planned out.

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RE: Babylon 5 - 31/10/2009 4:27:25 PM   
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quote:

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Just finished episode 6 of Season 4, really have no clue where the show can go from here, I have a feeling J. Michael Whatshisface has some card hidden up his sleeve, of course the battle scenes where epic in the truest sense of the word and I loved seeing Vir wave up at the shadow guy's (Mr Morgan was it?) head on a pike - it really does just feel so well planned out.


You have to watch season 4 in the context of JMS not thinking he would get another season. That is why that particular plotline is wrapped up so quickly. In his intial outline that was to be all season 4. The season moves like a freightrain, and it will be season 5 when you start seeing the problems.

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RE: Babylon 5 - 31/10/2009 5:15:14 PM   
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quote:

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Zaphod121

Just finished episode 6 of Season 4, really have no clue where the show can go from here, I have a feeling J. Michael Whatshisface has some card hidden up his sleeve, of course the battle scenes where epic in the truest sense of the word and I loved seeing Vir wave up at the shadow guy's (Mr Morgan was it?) head on a pike - it really does just feel so well planned out.


You have to watch season 4 in the context of JMS not thinking he would get another season. That is why that particular plotline is wrapped up so quickly. In his intial outline that was to be all season 4. The season moves like a freightrain, and it will be season 5 when you start seeing the problems.


Not exactly, the season was meant to end with what ended up being episode 4.18. Episode 6 would have originally been a 2-parter if not for the collapsing of plotlines.

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RE: Babylon 5 - 31/10/2009 5:19:17 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Dirty Hartigan

quote:

ORIGINAL: Rgirvan44


quote:

ORIGINAL: Zaphod121

Just finished episode 6 of Season 4, really have no clue where the show can go from here, I have a feeling J. Michael Whatshisface has some card hidden up his sleeve, of course the battle scenes where epic in the truest sense of the word and I loved seeing Vir wave up at the shadow guy's (Mr Morgan was it?) head on a pike - it really does just feel so well planned out.


You have to watch season 4 in the context of JMS not thinking he would get another season. That is why that particular plotline is wrapped up so quickly. In his intial outline that was to be all season 4. The season moves like a freightrain, and it will be season 5 when you start seeing the problems.


Not exactly, the season was meant to end with what ended up being episode 4.18. Episode 6 would have originally been a 2-parter if not for the collapsing of plotlines.



Ah right. There was still compression though. What gets me with season is there was two major plotlines which could have been done. Instead we kinda get smaller scale versions of them. Where they could have been epic, they ended up being somewhat watered down.

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RE: Babylon 5 - 31/10/2009 5:28:53 PM   
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quote:

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ORIGINAL: Dirty Hartigan

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ORIGINAL: Rgirvan44


quote:

ORIGINAL: Zaphod121

Just finished episode 6 of Season 4, really have no clue where the show can go from here, I have a feeling J. Michael Whatshisface has some card hidden up his sleeve, of course the battle scenes where epic in the truest sense of the word and I loved seeing Vir wave up at the shadow guy's (Mr Morgan was it?) head on a pike - it really does just feel so well planned out.


You have to watch season 4 in the context of JMS not thinking he would get another season. That is why that particular plotline is wrapped up so quickly. In his intial outline that was to be all season 4. The season moves like a freightrain, and it will be season 5 when you start seeing the problems.


Not exactly, the season was meant to end with what ended up being episode 4.18. Episode 6 would have originally been a 2-parter if not for the collapsing of plotlines.



Ah right. There was still compression though. What gets me with season is there was two major plotlines which could have been done. Instead we kinda get smaller scale versions of them. Where they could have been epic, they ended up being somewhat watered down.


Yes, I agree to a point - though I think it's more pacing that suffers rather than scale. But the last few episode of this season are particularly great.

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RE: Babylon 5 - 31/10/2009 5:36:57 PM   
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Without going into specifics, I think S4 suffers because it has a wind down phase (about now, as Zaphod watches it) before having to kick into gear again. This may have been solved by sharing this over two years, but we'll never now.

I've got a few interesting things to say once Zaphod's watched the whole thing. JMS released the scripts (complete with annotations) a year or two ago and the last one had the original outline in. I shall say no more, for now...

Edit: Oh, it's Mr. Morden, for reference.


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RE: Babylon 5 - 31/10/2009 7:53:36 PM   
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Yeah I knew that they thought they weren't going to get a Season 5 so they squashed storylines down, I thought maybe that's why there was so much going on in the first 6 ep's - it was pretty cool stuff though.

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RE: Babylon 5 - 1/11/2009 6:37:25 PM   
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I wouldn't pay for the dvd, but it is worth watching if you're a sci fi fan. Not for the short of attention span though as it is rather a slow burner of a show; i.e. continental drift slow.

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RE: Babylon 5 - 2/11/2009 3:30:26 PM   
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Watched up to episode 10 of S4 now and really enjoying the conflict between Sheridan and Garibaldi - and the reveal in ep 9 as to what really started the Mimbari war was fantastic. The show may be a slow burner and bit rough around the edges but I gotta say I really am loving it, it does seem to catch me off guard alot, don't think I've ever guessed where a story arc would go.

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RE: Babylon 5 - 6/11/2009 6:53:05 PM   
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Complete Babylon 5 (inc. Lost Tales) for 62.97 (Link)

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RE: Babylon 5 - 6/11/2009 10:33:43 PM   
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quote:

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Watched up to episode 10 of S4 now and really enjoying the conflict between Sheridan and Garibaldi - and the reveal in ep 9 as to what really started the Mimbari war was fantastic. The show may be a slow burner and bit rough around the edges but I gotta say I really am loving it, it does seem to catch me off guard alot, don't think I've ever guessed where a story arc would go.


I disagree with the "slow burner" comments, the show changes fairly dramatically from year to year. Atonement was a pretty great episode - I guess it would have been the framing story for the tv movie In The Beginning if that material had not been taken out of the series. Mira Furlan always brings out a great performance in the Delenn focussed episodes.

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RE: Babylon 5 - 6/11/2009 10:41:19 PM   
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Watched up to episode 10 of S4 now and really enjoying the conflict between Sheridan and Garibaldi - and the reveal in ep 9 as to what really started the Mimbari war was fantastic. The show may be a slow burner and bit rough around the edges but I gotta say I really am loving it, it does seem to catch me off guard alot, don't think I've ever guessed where a story arc would go.


I know im in the minority here,but the best is yet to come.Without spoiling anything,the arc where Sheridan decides to deal with President Clark once and for all,is the highlight of the entire series for me.

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RE: Babylon 5 - 7/11/2009 11:00:06 AM   
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quote:

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Watched up to episode 10 of S4 now and really enjoying the conflict between Sheridan and Garibaldi - and the reveal in ep 9 as to what really started the Mimbari war was fantastic. The show may be a slow burner and bit rough around the edges but I gotta say I really am loving it, it does seem to catch me off guard alot, don't think I've ever guessed where a story arc would go.


I disagree with the "slow burner" comments, the show changes fairly dramatically from year to year. Atonement was a pretty great episode - I guess it would have been the framing story for the tv movie In The Beginning if that material had not been taken out of the series. Mira Furlan always brings out a great performance in the Delenn focussed episodes.


When I say slow burner, I meant it really didn't kick into drive until halfway through Season 2 - I do love how it changed and stepped things up each year. I finished Season 4 the other day day and I really loved the end period taking on Earth, one episode I thought was brilliant was the one that just solely focused on Sheridan getting tortured - it was a ballsy move to only have 2 regulars appear in that episode.

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RE: Babylon 5 - 22/11/2009 9:54:25 PM   
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I've heard DS9 compared to B5, can anyone tell me what the similarities are? I'm curious, though keep in mind I haven't seen the final season of Babylon 5 or any of the TV movies.

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RE: Babylon 5 - 23/11/2009 12:41:20 PM   
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Well they're both primarily set on a space station. 

I think a lot of the coparisons at the time emerged because JMS pitched Babylon 5 to Paramount shortly before DS9 was broadcast, but there are a lot of rumours and half-truths to that. Structurally they're broadly similar in terms of plot points, and they both take their time before really getting stuck into their on-going storylines. The main distinguishing features for me are that DS9 is firmly rooted in the existing Star Trek universe, with all of the strengths and weaknesses that brings, where Babylon 5 was very much its own thing. DS9 was always (in my opinion anyway) a little less concerned with advancing an overall plot; they'd be quite happy to throw in a one-off episode to break up a run of more connected ones.


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RE: Babylon 5 - 23/11/2009 12:48:32 PM   
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While I think that B5 had the more epic story arc which drew you in, DS9 trumped it when it came to the standalone episodes. Babylon 5 really struggled when it went off road for an episode, whereas DS9 tended to work.

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RE: Babylon 5 - 23/11/2009 5:31:03 PM   
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Yeah, I think that's spot on. DS9's one of those few shows that could try its hand at anything and could (though not always) manage a great episode out of it, but it also had a very impressive arc in the background.

I'd take B5 anyday though if we're comparing the two directly; because it had a wow factor in its aesthetic and storytelling ambition that I just hadn't seen before (and rarely have since).

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RE: Babylon 5 - 28/11/2009 7:02:52 PM   
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Thanks guys, I might check out DS9 at some point. Also just wanted to post a link to this because I love it... one of the best scenes from Season 3 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYKloZRwLu4

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RE: Babylon 5 - 30/11/2009 7:03:59 PM   
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Don't look too closely at some of the recommended links on those Youtube pages because they do give away some spoilers.

Are you up to S5 yet? Really you can treat that as an epilogue. The first half contains a very drawn out (my polite way of saying padded) storyline, but it moves up a couple of gears for the second half.


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RE: Babylon 5 - 1/12/2009 9:29:00 AM   
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As this point I've seen S1 - 4 and In the Beginning (which I thought was awesome BTW) and I have S5 to watch, so I'll get on it soon after I've finished a few other shows.

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Don't look too closely at some of the recommended links on those Youtube pages because they do give away some spoilers.

Thanks for the Cap, will stay away from it.

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RE: Babylon 5 - 1/12/2009 12:46:13 PM   
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You can watch Thirdspace too if you've got that, as it's set in the middle of S4.

I'm just quite chuffed that we've got another convert really; I did wonder if Babylon 5 might get lost and would simply be remembered well by those who were there at the time.


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RE: Babylon 5 - 1/12/2009 12:53:29 PM   
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