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RE: Is Tony Scott a good film maker? - 11/4/2009 1:02:10 PM   
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Well Deviation, I always enjoy Michael Bay movies, how can Jerry Bruckheimer have a visual style he's a producer, not a director. Although I like Jerry Bruckheimer a lot. So in other words Transformers visual style sucks? I thought the effects were amazing, and Bad Boys sucks? The Rock sucks? those are all just fun movies. Bay's come pretty far considering he was once an EXTRA on an episode of Miami Vice.




Yep, they suck, thing is Bay's visuals or quirks seem to be common in many Bruckhiemer produced films. As if the producer is commanding them. Transformers does look nice in its CGI, but cinematography is awful and camerawork makes it possible to see absolutely nothing clear. Bad Boys was a forgettable bore and The Rock was his best film, it is just mildly entertaining and is just a Die Hard rip-off.

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RE: Is Tony Scott a good film maker? - 11/4/2009 1:09:48 PM   
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I read High Concept a while back and Tony Scott comes across as just as sleazy as Don Simpson.

But he did have a generous side, he paid for the boob jobs wannabe starlets needed.

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RE: Is Tony Scott a good film maker? - 11/4/2009 1:19:15 PM   
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I read High Concept a while back and Tony Scott comes across as just as sleazy as Don Simpson.

But he did have a generous side, he paid for the boob jobs wannabe starlets needed.


Oh well, we can always trust the other Scott..........

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RE: Is Tony Scott a good film maker? - 11/4/2009 1:24:01 PM   
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What is that man doing to Tony?

I see Don is already preparing himself.

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RE: Is Tony Scott a good film maker? - 11/4/2009 1:34:25 PM   
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What is that man doing to Tony?

I see Don is already preparing himself.


Who, all I see is a white box with an X inside.

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RE: Is Tony Scott a good film maker? - 11/4/2009 1:39:12 PM   
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No one can see this hilarious pic??

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RE: Is Tony Scott a good film maker? - 11/4/2009 7:35:15 PM   
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Is it a naked man with a bandana and a man in a race car outfit covering his jewels?

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RE: Is Tony Scott a good film maker? - 11/4/2009 7:42:00 PM   
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Kinda.

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RE: Is Tony Scott a good film maker? - 13/4/2009 7:06:21 AM   
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Deviation, every action movie is basically a rip off of Die Hard. I don't know but I thought Domino was an unconventional wild ride, of course Mickey Rourke's in it so that never hurts. I do agree the Ridley is the better filmmaker by far. He doesn't have those 360 camera spins and tweaks.

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RE: Is Tony Scott a good film maker? - 13/4/2009 7:05:32 PM   
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RE: Is Tony Scott a good film maker? - 13/4/2009 7:21:45 PM   
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I liked Top Gun, Beverly Hills Cop 2 and True Romance.

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RE: Is Tony Scott a good film maker? - 17/4/2009 5:17:15 PM   
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I like Tony Scotts films. ALOT.

True Romance
Last boy scout
Crimson Tide
enemy of the state
spy Game
Man on fire
Deja Vu

I all enjoyed immensly. Stick that in your pipe and smoke it.

I am looking forward to Pelham 1 2 3 very much.



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RE: Is Tony Scott a good film maker? - 17/4/2009 7:46:52 PM   
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Top Gun has a lot of camp novelty value, although i seriously doubt Tony Scott intended it to be there. I don't think much of his films at all though i've yet to see True Romance which everyone speaks highly of.

I'm far more interested in checking out the original Taking of Pelham 123 as opposed to The Phoning in of Pelham 123 (face it, from the trailer alone you know Travolta and Washington don't look like they're bringing much. Travolta doing his crazy villain he did in broken arrow and face/off and Denzil doing his usual "i'm a good man pushed to the edge and running out of time" routine from most of his films)


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RE: Is Tony Scott a good film maker? - 12/7/2009 11:17:09 AM   
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he has done many very good  movies (e.g. Enemy of the state, man on fire, deja vu) and i think he is a good film maker :)

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RE: Is Tony Scott a good film maker? - 12/7/2009 11:56:29 AM   
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I think he's average,his films are usually quite entertaining and he certainly has a good eye,but I find them pretty forgettable afterwards. I saw Top Gun [which I loved as a teenager] recently and thought it was pretty awful,and I think Man On Fire had great potential but was almost sabotaged by the idiotic editing etc. Generally they're reasonable though. My favourite of his films is the one on one seems to mention-The Hunger,an extremely slow but quite beautifully stylized vampire flick,I like it's feel and look,which is both chic and decrepit.

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RE: Is Tony Scott a good film maker? - 12/7/2009 6:45:57 PM   
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Tony Scott is fucking awful.

Apart from true romance.

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RE: Is Tony Scott a good film maker? - 4/11/2009 9:33:52 PM   
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Yes he is a good film maker. Hope that clears it up.

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RE: Is Tony Scott a good film maker? - 13/11/2009 6:17:05 PM   
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I tried watching Taking of Pelham but couldn't take it. The jump cuttting, the stylised shite he began in Domino really gets on my moobs.

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RE: Is Tony Scott a good film maker? - 14/11/2009 11:06:12 PM   
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I tried watching Taking of Pelham but couldn't take it. The jump cuttting, the stylised shite he began in Domino really gets on my moobs.


You should have stuck with it. Pelham 123 was one of his most restrained films in terms of editing.

I liked it. But then I like Tony's films.


Speaking of which, I watched 'Revenge' the other day. I liked that too. Apart from the dog getting blown away with a shotgun.

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RE: Is Tony Scott a good film maker? - 17/11/2009 11:07:21 AM   
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I came across a recent review of Scott's Taking Of Pelham 123 remake, and I couldn't help but find myself agreeing with most of it. I don't think it's a coincidence that the one recent Tony Scott film I find completely unwatchable is the one without Denzel in it (DOMINO). Here is the review anyway:

THE TAKING OF PELHAM 1-2-3: It's All Denzel

Director Tony Scott ought to put up statue to Denzel Washington in his sculpture garden, then pray to it at least three times a day to express his gratitude for the way the actor saves his cinematic ass time and time again. Because Den-ZEL, the excellent Den-ZEL is way, way too good for Tony Scott. He shouldn't be spending his time and talent grounding Tony Scott's nonsense in reality. But he keeps doing it. Man On Fire, Deja Vu and now the remake of The Taking Of Pelham 1-2-3

You know how you can always tell a Tony Scott film by it's pointless attempts to be modern and urban and noirish with the lurid cityscape shots and montages and people walking hereCUT and thereCUT and standing in doorwaysSMASH CUT FLARE TO WHITEand dizzying 360 degree pans around people who are sitting there not doing a damn thing but maybe talking on the phone, but it's supposed to show how crazy and disconnected everything is now, all the while the soundtrack is going CHOOKA-CHOOKA-CHOOKA.

The overall effect is like a Grandpa trying out the latest hip-hop moves. Amusing for a little while, then embarrasing, then unbearable when he refuses to stop. Because Tony Scott doesn't actually have a strong feling for modern urban life, it seems to me, beyond what he might have read somewhere. He knows it's supposed to be fast and dangerous, high-tech and alienting, but he never seems to come up wih a non generic representation of that. The New York City he gives us in Pelham is an amazingly bland EveryCity, and the critics are screaming about what a travesty that is, when the first film version was such a specific portrait of a grubby, run down, near bankrupt early- 70's NYC.

But right there in the middle of all that Scottian Phonus Balonus, is Denzel Washington aka Believable Man. "Don't worry Tony, I got this", I imagine him saying as he sits down at the subway transit display board and pretends to be an overweight, bespectacled, browbeaten, working class guy wearing a hideous sweater vest, named Walter Garber. You buy the whole thing, even the sweater vest. And gradually, this plausibility spreads out from the actor's anxious eyes and tooo soft go along, to get along voice, and you start to believe all sorts of surrounding crap. You even feel an intermittent sense of suspense. Because of D.Washington, you're somehow able to endure the bad action scenes: the police car that doesn't just crash like speding cars do, it rolls over and over in a show-offy crash-tacular, and the street shootout that's so lamely staged it looks like a circular firing squad doing one disasterous test run.

Beats me how he does it. Den-ZEL.

...but to be fair, the new Tony Scott version has Den-ZEL. And he can sell anything. At the end Tuturro's character literally salutes him, from a helicopter yet, this being a Tony Scott film loaded with inane expensive junk that makes you cringe, and you have to admit, he deserves it. Carried the whole load on his back, he did! Denzel Washington, American hero! Now somebody reward him with a good film.

full review at;

http://exiledonline.com/the-taking-of-pelham-123-its-all-denzel/

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RE: Is Tony Scott a good film maker? - 17/11/2009 3:27:09 PM   
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http://exiledonline.com/the-taking-of-pelham-123-its-all-denzel/



Pfft this one made me laugh: http://exiledonline.com/a-serious-film/#more-13603


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RE: Is Tony Scott a good film maker? - 2/1/2010 6:28:17 AM   
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I'd like to see him do a re-boot of Sinbad with production and effects by WETA. That would be great and hilarious!

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RE: Is Tony Scott a good film maker? - 8/1/2010 11:13:53 PM   
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Tony Scott has made good films, but he's sometimes let down by the quality of the scripts he chooses.

DOMINO and MAN ON FIRE are prime examples of that.

Consider these against TRUE ROMANCE, CRIMSON TIDE, ENEMY OF THE STATE, which were excellent movies with stories and scipts that were of a high class.

It's unfair to compare him to his brother, although it should be noted that Ridley has directed a few stinkers: HANNIBAL anyone?

The biggest complaint i have is the way some of his female characters appear on screen. With the exception of Alabama in TRUE ROMANCE, they seem to be very one-dimensional. LAST BOY SCOUT, as much as i enjoyed the film has some very overt mysoginism. BEVERLY HILLS COP 2 also suffers this way. I'm not one for bleating about sexual equality, but let's have some parity.

I would, however, like to see Shane Black write a sequel to THE LAST BOY SCOUT.

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RE: Is Tony Scott a good film maker? - 9/1/2010 12:11:34 AM   
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I thought Man on Fire had a great script, apart from Christopher Walken's dialogue (most of which was improvised).


I have a soft spot for Tony Scott. I know lots of people think he's lowest common denominator, but hand on heart I'd rather see 5 Tony films for every one of Ridley's, stick that in Unpopular Opinions if you must.

I love Tony's filmmaking process, the research that goes into each film, the love of each film's subject (as is evident from his audio commentaries). I love the fact that he ignores the critics and makes (what I consider to be) entertaining films. Others may disagree as they always do, but you can count me in on anything he does.


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RE: Is Tony Scott a good film maker? - 9/1/2010 9:40:44 AM   
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Recently his style seems to have altered to make his films almost unwatchable. The jump cuts and abrupt close ups and heavy filter work of Domino made it unwatchable. I gave up 40 minutes in as it was giving me a headache.

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RE: Is Tony Scott a good film maker? - 11/1/2010 9:47:01 AM   
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Man on Fire was great.

I really like the majority of Tony Scotts films. I've not seen Domino as I've heard its awful.

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RE: Is Tony Scott a good film maker? - 11/1/2010 6:24:38 PM   
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Indeed it is.

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RE: Is Tony Scott a good film maker? - 20/8/2012 9:00:29 PM   
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Tony is truly a great and doesnt get any where near as much recognition as he deserves.

Action movies tend to get looked down upon from serious cinema goers - if it doesnt have some fading star, reinventing themselves or some serious social subtext some films are largely ignored (okay, so widespread sweeping statement there).

Action films are a hard thing to do, just as comedies, drama, thrillers, period dramas and arthouse. In the realm of the actioner, there are few who can hold a candle to Mr Scott (Tony before there is any confusion).

as one poster said - I look forward to Tony's films but dont really anticiapte the next Ridley offering...


After the sad news today, I thought I would search for some old Tony threads - my thoughts from this thread still hold true.


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RE: Is Tony Scott a good film maker? - 20/8/2012 9:10:42 PM   
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For most of his career he was a solid, workman like filmmaker, never in the league of his brother. He always seemed to make the "inferior version". Beverly Hills Cop II was the inferior version of Beverly Hills Cop. True Romance was the inferior version of Badlands. Crimson Tide was the inferior version of The Hunt for Red October. Even Days of Thunder was the inferior version of of own Top Gun.

But his Man on Fire - Domino period of shaky-cam and split second cuts was truly horrendous.

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RE: Is Tony Scott a good film maker? - 20/8/2012 9:12:27 PM   
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RIP Tony.

I have always been a big fan of his films even though many on this forum werent.

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