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Is Tony Scott a good film maker? - 2/12/2008 12:04:19 AM   
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Was mulling this over a bit when I watched part of Enemy of the State the other day. I haven't see all of Tone's films, but the impression I get is that he's rather hit and miss.

Top Gun is about as close as you can get to gay porn in a mainstream movie. The Last Boy Scout and True Romance are both fantastic, Enemy of the State was very good, and gave the idea that Big Willie wanted to start doing 'serious' roles, and handled it quite well. However I didn't like Man On Fire, and Deja Vu was just awful. From the ones I haven't seen, I hear good things about Crimson Tide, Days of Thunder I think has a mostly lukewarm reception and I hear that Domino is balls.

Tony doesn't have anywhere near the visual nous of his brother Sir Rid, and I feel couldn't pull off an epic like Gladiator or Blade Runner, or give a project like Alien its subtle menace as Ridley did. However he does action films rather well, without being too over the top. A kind of thinking man's Michael Bay, if you will.

So, what's the Empire Online user's general feeling on this? Is Tony Scott good or rubbish?

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RE: Is Tony Scott a good film maker? - 2/12/2008 12:10:02 AM   
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I would argue that Tony Scott was the founder of the modern action movie. When we complain about fast editing it all seemed to come from the eighties and his work.

That said, I think he understands the language of action better than most. Yes his recent films have not been very good, I would make a case for Domino being a brave experiement that went wrong in a way that only a good director can achieve but his earlier work (including The Hunger) demostrate that he can balance the action movies with smaller pieces. And while he is a fan of the fast edit you can still understand what is happening in those films.

True Romance, Top Gun, Crimson Tide, The Last Boy Scout, Beverly Hills Cop are all pretty well done films. No matter if you like them or not you have to admit there is a vision behind them.

So no, he will never be his brother, but neither is he a hack. He has lost his way in recent years but I have faith he will pull out another classic in a few years.

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RE: Is Tony Scott a good film maker? - 2/12/2008 6:57:15 AM   
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RE: Is Tony Scott a good film maker? - 2/12/2008 6:58:54 AM   
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I like some of his movies but he is nowhere near as good as Ridley. Ridley is the 2nd best British director ever (IMO) beaten only by Mister Hitchcock

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RE: Is Tony Scott a good film maker? - 2/12/2008 8:29:43 AM   
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Ridley has the better earlier work, but personally i've enjoyed Tony's films much more than Ridley's.

People might complain about Tony's films being too flashy and over-edited, but i love them.

I always look forward to a Tony Scott film, but rarely do i get excited about a new Ridley film.

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RE: Is Tony Scott a good film maker? - 2/12/2008 11:56:01 AM   
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RE: Is Tony Scott a good film maker? - 2/12/2008 12:49:55 PM   
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Tony is truly a great and doesnt get any where near as much recognition as he deserves.

Action movies tend to get looked down upon from serious cinema goers - if it doesnt have some fading star, reinventing themselves or some serious social subtext some films are largely ignored (okay, so widespread sweeping statement there).

Action films are a hard thing to do, just as comedies, drama, thrillers, period dramas and arthouse. In the realm of the actioner, there are few who can hold a candle to Mr Scott (Tony before there is any confusion).

as one poster said - I look forward to Tony's films but dont really anticiapte the next Ridley offering...

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RE: Is Tony Scott a good film maker? - 2/12/2008 1:45:29 PM   
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I wouldn't say he was rubbish but comparing him to Ridley doesn't make him look too good!

Hey, what about Jake Scott?


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RE: Is Tony Scott a good film maker? - 2/12/2008 9:52:37 PM   
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I've a lot of time for him. Crimson Tide and Man On Fire are two of the best actioners from the last 15 years, True Romance is class, while i really enjoyed Domino, flawed as it is, and even Deja Vu has its moments.

The whole "Top Gun is gay porn" thing is, quite frankly, boring me to tears at this point, a view point derived from some typically obtuse and, in truth poorly written, Quentin Tarantino dialogue in a film that would have been forgotten about 5 minutes after its release if it wasn't for that. there's really no more nekkidness on display than there was in any of Stallone, Schwarzenegger or Van Damme's films, and the supposed "homo-erotic subtext" can be read any way you want it. In fact, it probably goes more to Tarantino's own proclivities and hang-ups than anything intentionally inserted (pardon the pun) into the film (and he script doctored the weakest part of Crimson Tide)

so, to wrap up (got a little side tracked there), yes, he's an excellent film maker. although, that's just my viewpoint

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RE: Is Tony Scott a good film maker? - 2/12/2008 10:03:38 PM   
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While the subtext may not be quite as on the nose as Tarantino theorised I have to say that it wouldn't surprise me if he discussed Top Gun at some point with Scott and got confirmation that it was a little bit of a piss take...

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RE: Is Tony Scott a good film maker? - 2/12/2008 10:49:22 PM   
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RE: Is Tony Scott a good film maker? - 2/12/2008 10:52:09 PM   
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This thread is proving to be a disturbing celebration of mediocrity.


You must like at least one of the films he has done?

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RE: Is Tony Scott a good film maker? - 2/12/2008 11:11:22 PM   
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This thread is proving to be a disturbing celebration of mediocrity.


You must like at least one of the films he has done?


Why Must I?

Looking at the films he's directed that I've seen:

Top Gun - I've only seen half, but nothing has enticed me to watch the other half
Beverly Hills Cop II - Its fine for what it is, nothing special
Last Boy Scout - Its helped by its script, but even having said that, its one of the least effective Shane Black penned films.
True Romance - Again the power is in the script. Its an enjoyable film, but not a classic by any stretch.
Domino - Rubbish
Deja Vu - Stupid, audience insulting rubbish.


Looking over his filmography there is nothing there to suggest he is a "true great". He's a one-trick pony, who is capable of making things blow up, over-epileptic editing, who doesn't treat his audience with any respect or intellegence. Bottom line filmaking.

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RE: Is Tony Scott a good film maker? - 2/12/2008 11:23:34 PM   
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Ridley has the better earlier work, but personally i've enjoyed Tony's films much more than Ridley's.

People might complain about Tony's films being too flashy and over-edited, but i love them.

I always look forward to a Tony Scott film, but rarely do i get excited about a new Ridley film.


Interesting. See, I'm the other way 'round. I wouldn't necessarily go and see a new Tony Scott film unless there was something about it that particularly interested me. Plus I felt badly let down by Deja Vu. To be fair though I didn't really set out with the intention of going to see that film, it was just the next film on when I walked into the cinema, and I was in a really bad place emotionally, but that's a long story.

I did, however, go and see Body of Lies recently, which I thought was distinctly average, certainly not Ridley's best, and nowhere near a classic. There wasn't really anything there to keep anyone but the most politically savvy interested. However, as I was also let down by the atrocious Kingdom of Heaven, Ridley kept up his end of the bargain, and the visuals, direction and camera work were still stunning. So I would still keep the faith with Ridley, as long as he doesn't work with Denzel too often.

I think generally for me, the jury's still out on Tony. I'm a little disappointed to see that his next two projects are going to be remakes (The Taking of Pelham 123, and The Warriors) as I'd rather directors of his kind of calibre pick much more interesting and original projects. As such, neither film really makes me want to go and see them. I don't know. I can't decide wither way.

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RE: Is Tony Scott a good film maker? - 2/12/2008 11:40:46 PM   
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This thread is proving to be a disturbing celebration of mediocrity.


You must like at least one of the films he has done?


Why Must I?

Looking at the films he's directed that I've seen:

Top Gun - I've only seen half, but nothing has enticed me to watch the other half
Beverly Hills Cop II - Its fine for what it is, nothing special
Last Boy Scout - Its helped by its script, but even having said that, its one of the least effective Shane Black penned films.
True Romance - Again the power is in the script. Its an enjoyable film, but not a classic by any stretch.
Domino - Rubbish
Deja Vu - Stupid, audience insulting rubbish.


Looking over his filmography there is nothing there to suggest he is a "true great". He's a one-trick pony, who is capable of making things blow up, over-epileptic editing, who doesn't treat his audience with any respect or intellegence. Bottom line filmaking.


Well you don't have to...

But you even acknowledge that some of his films have a degree of merit. Now that may be because of the script, but I would say that Last Boy Scout, True Romance and Crimson Tide give the audience some credit and are batting higher than average.

I would agree that he is far from one of the greats but he had a solid track record from the mid 80s till mid 90s. He has lost his way with the last two films you mentioned, although I do have a soft spot for Man on Fire. I think he will be credited with helping to create modern action cinema...whether that is a good or bad thing I will leave up to you.

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RE: Is Tony Scott a good film maker? - 2/12/2008 11:48:20 PM   
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Oh I don't think he's the worst filmaker in the world by any stretch of the imagination. But people are really bigging him up as this really great director, and he just seems so mediocre to me. He shouldn't go down as a great director. Competent at what he does? Sure. Great? Not a chance.

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RE: Is Tony Scott a good film maker? - 2/12/2008 11:51:51 PM   
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Oh I don't think he's the worst filmaker in the world by any stretch of the imagination. But people are really bigging him up as this really great director, and he just seems so mediocre to me. He shouldn't go down as a great director. Competent at what he does? Sure. Great? Not a chance.


Yeah  - he has been overtaken nowerdays  but you can draw a line from his 80s films and the current works of Mr. M Bay, Mr. S West et al

So in that regard he has been very influental.

Wonder what he and Ridley talk about over dinner?

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RE: Is Tony Scott a good film maker? - 3/12/2008 12:00:12 AM   
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Wonder what he and Ridley talk about over dinner?


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RE: Is Tony Scott a good film maker? - 3/12/2008 12:59:29 PM   
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Ridley has the better earlier work, but personally i've enjoyed Tony's films much more than Ridley's.

People might complain about Tony's films being too flashy and over-edited, but i love them.

I always look forward to a Tony Scott film, but rarely do i get excited about a new Ridley film.


Interesting. See, I'm the other way 'round. I wouldn't necessarily go and see a new Tony Scott film unless there was something about it that particularly interested me. Plus I felt badly let down by Deja Vu. To be fair though I didn't really set out with the intention of going to see that film, it was just the next film on when I walked into the cinema, and I was in a really bad place emotionally, but that's a long story.




To be honest, neither Ridley or Tony are enough to make me go to the cinema and watch them, I'll always catch up on DVD. On that principal, I am pretty much guaranteed to pick up Tony's films, while Ridley's I will mull over...

Tony for me is just a great entertaining director. I even enjoyed Domino, which I know a lot of people hated, but I guess in the same way that people will always have disdain for one director no matter what they do (Michael Bay for example), sometimes I will enjoy everything that a director does.

I also enjoy that Tony is prepared to venture into new camera trickery, even if it's not alwasy necessary...

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RE: Is Tony Scott a good film maker? - 17/12/2008 8:07:48 PM   
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Tony Scott is great at making average films. Edgar Wright seems to love him though if Hot Fuzz is anything to go by!

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RE: Is Tony Scott a good film maker? - 9/1/2009 4:47:41 PM   
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I like True Romance and Enemy of the State alright, but he's generally a hack. I fear I will become epileptic if I watch one of his more modern films. I wish Denzel would quit working with him.

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RE: Is Tony Scott a good film maker? - 2/4/2009 9:23:57 AM   
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Yes, I like the fact that he experiments with different film techniques. I also like his 360 pan around (Spy Game, Enemy of the State, Domino) kind of his signature. A hack? Gee this refers to masonry, technology, comedy, writers and horses, hacks generally do NOT have talent and it DOESN'T apply to Tony Scott at all. You might want to check your insults first.

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RE: Is Tony Scott a good film maker? - 5/4/2009 6:41:11 AM   
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Like Ridley, pretty much anything Tony does is worth watching. I myself am looking forward to THE TAKING OF PELHAM 123 and hopefully, THE WARRIORS (even if they are both remakes).

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RE: Is Tony Scott a good film maker? - 7/4/2009 11:38:58 AM   
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Seriously though i am a big fan of Tony Scotts work and even the overlooked gems such as Spy Game and Revenge are worth watching
The Fan is a bit ropey but i always look forward to A Tony Scott film  

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RE: Is Tony Scott a good film maker? - 7/4/2009 12:10:53 PM   
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Deja Vu is fucking rubbish.

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RE: Is Tony Scott a good film maker? - 7/4/2009 1:05:24 PM   
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Oh I don't think he's the worst filmaker in the world by any stretch of the imagination. But people are really bigging him up as this really great director, and he just seems so mediocre to me. He shouldn't go down as a great director. Competent at what he does? Sure. Great? Not a chance.


It could be worse, they could be talking of what a great director a talentless hack Micheal Bay is. Tony at least has some watchable films; Man on Fire, Top Gun, True Romance being some, but Bay is a fucking useless waste of time and space.

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RE: Is Tony Scott a good film maker? - 9/4/2009 4:00:22 AM   
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Sheesh, Michael Bay makes popcorn movies, plain and simple, and he's good at those. He's the MTV, lack of attention spanned master filmmaker. His movie make a shit load of money, how in the world can he be a hack? I like the visual style of Michael Bay, at least you can tell it's a Michael Bay movie, you don't have to guess. Stop picking on Michael Bay all you film auteurs, and go watch a Bergman film at least Bay's film's you can understand.

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RE: Is Tony Scott a good film maker? - 9/4/2009 2:00:48 PM   
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Sheesh, Michael Bay makes popcorn movies, plain and simple, and he's good at those. He's the MTV, lack of attention spanned master filmmaker. His movie make a shit load of money, how in the world can he be a hack? I like the visual style of Michael Bay, at least you can tell it's a Michael Bay movie, you don't have to guess. Stop picking on Michael Bay all you film auteurs, and go watch a Bergman film at least Bay's film's you can understand.


That is not a good excuse. Tony Scott, Harlin, Emmerich, once upon a time a long time ago Sommers, Spielberg, do good popcorn films, Bay does not. And he has no visual style, that's Bruckheimer, not Bay.

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RE: Is Tony Scott a good film maker? - 9/4/2009 2:17:41 PM   
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I think Tony Scott is a pretty good director actually. The Last Boy Scout, True Romance, Crimson Tide and Man On Fire are all excellent films in my opinion.   

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RE: Is Tony Scott a good film maker? - 11/4/2009 4:04:02 AM   
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Well Deviation, I always enjoy Michael Bay movies, how can Jerry Bruckheimer have a visual style he's a producer, not a director. Although I like Jerry Bruckheimer a lot. So in other words Transformers visual style sucks? I thought the effects were amazing, and Bad Boys sucks? The Rock sucks? those are all just fun movies. Bay's come pretty far considering he was once an EXTRA on an episode of Miami Vice.

Anyway back to Tony Scott, his movies have a gritty fast-paced jolt about them, that is always cool to watch. I like it when he uses the split angles, bleaches the film, blues the film, gets the best performances out of his actors. There is a bit of neo-noir in his visuals. A darkness it's not all polished (like Bay's is (OK I'll say it Bay is too sleek and overdoes the slow motion shot-reverse shot around a pillar bit) there definetely is an atmosphere to Tony Scotts' movies, especially ones like Domino and the Last Boy Scout.

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