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RE: The Black Bond Question - 7/4/2009 9:34:33 PM   
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Also Dalton was so good in the part he would rather have been 2 for 2 and not got to that point the franchise always gets to on occasion when he would be expected to battle robots or something.


I may have made the above up but its how I like to have thought it would have played out.


Yeah me too. I once heard a story that the Cubby Brocolli basically asked his old friend Dalton to take on the part after Brosnan dropped five days before shooting. Which makes his performance in TLD even more remarkable.

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RE: The Black Bond Question - 7/4/2009 9:48:54 PM   
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When it comes to these sorts of things (Bond, Superman, Jesus etc.) why is it always black and white.

How about an eskimo Bond?


Yes, the British government would definatly get an Eskimo in to fight terrorism.


he could use his power of Inuitition...

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RE: The Black Bond Question - 9/4/2009 3:12:44 AM   
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It just doesn't fit, but... Will Smith, Taye Diggs or Tyrese Gibson.

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RE: The Black Bond Question - 9/4/2009 7:29:56 PM   
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 He could become a black Bond by having him regenerate like Dr.Who.  

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RE: The Black Bond Question - 10/4/2009 12:30:14 AM   
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Bond as black? Hmm, no it wouldn't be right. Not that I don't think a black guy would make the part as well as a white, but since he's been white all along it would just be wrong to change that now. They did however change Felix' colour so one should probably not exclude the possibility...

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RE: The Black Bond Question - 10/4/2009 9:38:44 PM  1 votes
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For the record, Blade was originally a white character (in the comics and Spiderman Cartoons) but seeing as he wasn't really all that established in the eyes of the masses there was no problem re-inventing him as a black character for the films.

But I agree with the above 'Shaft' comment. Imagine if a load of Blaxploitation films were remade with white guys as the lead characters, L.A would burn again (metaphorically speaking).

The idea of a black Bond may work in theory as long as the character remained the same (i.e not making him a stereotypical black guy like Jamie Foxx would...Henessey?! Hip-hop?!...tool!) but where do you draw the line? A black Harry Potter? A black Jack Ryan? I'm not racist or anything, but come on...be sensible!

Also why Jamie Foxx?! He's American! Are there no talented black British actors around?!



Are you sure about the Blade character? am amazed by that as i really didnt know he started off as white ive read his history before and i thought he was only white in the animated spiderman series but started out black read it here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blade_(comics) states

Publication history
Blade was introduced as a supporting character in Marvel Comics' The Tomb of Dracula #10 (July 1973), written by Marv Wolfman and penciled by Gene Colan. The artist recalled in 2003, "Marv told me Blade was a black man, and we talked about how he should dress, and how he should look — very heroic looking. That was my input. [...] The bandoleer of blades — that was Marv's idea. But, I dressed him up. I put the leather jacket on him and so on".[1] Colan based the character's features on "a composite of black actors" including NFL football star-turned-actor Jim Brown.[1]


as for a coloured Bond i dont think it would make a difference as hollywood make the call no matter what we think just see I Am Legend in the book he is a bearded blonde white guy.

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RE: The Black Bond Question - 10/4/2009 9:44:10 PM   
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The solution:

When Craig's run comes to an end, have him about to escape the jaws of death, but not make it.

Gasp: Bond dies on screen!!!

After a moment of 'big music' for the shock to set in, a scene where M takes a call, we see her side of it. She doesn't speak a word. Her face falls in response to what she is hearing, and a single tear trickles down her face.

She hangs up. Composes herself. Presses intercom:

M: Moneypenny, it's been confirmed. He didn't make it. You know what to do. Engage the ususal protocols. Code reference, double O, double Omega seven, replacement procedure. Activate.


Then,written into the lore of Bond is a reason why he's had so many faces. James Bond is a code name, for whoever will later take the mantle of 007. Then, there is no reason why he couldn't be black, because it would always be the best available for the job.

And it would add something the movies have yet to use: The idea that Bond can die, and some of the previous Bonds might have been killed in the line of duty too...

Bond remains the iconic figure, but the story adapts to suggest it's a role to be fulfilled, for propoganda purposes .

Whose the black goverment spy
Licensed to kill
To drive and fly?

Bond!

You're damn right...

(sorry about the Shaft intrusion (oo-er) couldn't resist



I actually like this idea very much, strange but that would make so much sense and work it brilliantly imho

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RE: The Black Bond Question - 10/4/2009 9:47:48 PM   
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 It wouldn't make any sense really.

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RE: The Black Bond Question - 10/4/2009 9:59:28 PM   
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It wouldn't make any sense really.


Nah but if they did do it it would make sense to do it that way rather than just insert a black bond as if he has always been there

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RE: The Black Bond Question - 10/4/2009 11:52:12 PM   
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 They made Bond blonde.I wouldnt put it past them to make him black whenever they ditch Craig.For the record though,i think Chiwetel Ejiofor would be good for the part if they do make him black.

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RE: The Black Bond Question - 11/4/2009 1:08:32 PM   
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It wouldn't make any sense really.


with all due respect, there's not a lot about this franchise that does make sense...

M was a man and then one day becomes a woman. Felix was white and then became black. And we were asked to believe that before Craig there was no other version of Bond which we did. If this is possible then it shouldn't be too much of a stretch of the imagination for Bond to become Black.

All they would have to do is reboot the franchise like they did in C R.

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RE: The Black Bond Question - 11/4/2009 1:53:08 PM   
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"Of course!” Foxx told Access, when asked if he could see himself playing the part. "I'd put a little swing in it. A little hip-hop, you know.”

"Maybe not drinking martinis, but drinking some Hennessey maybe,” Foxx joked. "Bond would drink dark liquor.” 


Cuz', you know, all the black peoples like the hip hop and drank the Hennesey dayum!... Good job there Jamie, tactfully creeping around those stereotypes.

It'd just be a PC stunt; a bit like a female captain in Star Trek, black Vulcan etc etc.  Yeah, we live in a society without the old exaggerated predjudices and boundaries in the media, we get it PC patrol, we get it.

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RE: The Black Bond Question - 11/4/2009 1:53:18 PM   
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It wouldn't make any sense really.


with all due respect, there's not a lot about this franchise that does make sense...

M was a man and then one day becomes a woman. Felix was white and then became black. And we were asked to believe that before Craig there was no other version of Bond which we did. If this is possible then it shouldn't be too much of a stretch of the imagination for Bond to become Black.

All they would have to do is reboot the franchise like they did in C R.


Bond is the main character though, there is a difference, a now establisahed main character.

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RE: The Black Bond Question - 11/4/2009 1:54:08 PM   
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They made Bond blonde.I wouldnt put it past them to make him black whenever they ditch Craig.For the record though,i think Chiwetel Ejiofor would be good for the part if they do make him black.



There is a difference between hair colour (Bond could haqve higlighted it) to skin colour you know.

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RE: The Black Bond Question - 12/4/2009 10:12:16 PM   
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It wouldn't make any sense really.


with all due respect, there's not a lot about this franchise that does make sense...

M was a man and then one day becomes a woman. Felix was white and then became black. And we were asked to believe that before Craig there was no other version of Bond which we did. If this is possible then it shouldn't be too much of a stretch of the imagination for Bond to become Black.

All they would have to do is reboot the franchise like they did in C R.


Bond is the main character though, there is a difference, a now establisahed main character.


yes, but what prevents making Bond black? it wouldn't alter the movie one iota. he could still have gone to Oxbridge or wherever he went, had a poor background and still developed a chip on his shoulder. just because his skin colour has changed doesn't mean his background has to. they could start out mixed race if they wanted to like with the US president and see how that goes before really committing to an actual black or asian actor. 

and really, how much are todays Bond really connected to Ian Fleming's books. for the future generation i don't think anyone would even notice.

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RE: The Black Bond Question - 13/4/2009 9:20:32 PM   
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 Today's Bond is more connected to the Fleming books than the character's been in a long time.

At the end of the day, there would be no point to changing the Bond to a black man simply for the reason that you could.... and no - one would notice? Really?!

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RE: The Black Bond Question - 14/4/2009 10:31:12 AM   
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 it is connected in name only. fleming's book were set during the cold war period. today's bond is not. the politics (sexual and otherwise) in fleming's books have changed compared with today. if you were faithful to fleming's books today it would be more akin to Austin Powers.

Nobody is talking about changing Bond to black 'just for the sake of it'. we are talking about whether or not colour is important when casting for the role of Bond. 'would people notice?' What i mean is, 'do people really care about the colour of Bond?' there would only be one way to find out, wouldn't there? 

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RE: The Black Bond Question - 14/4/2009 11:03:22 AM   
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Nobody is talking about changing Bond to black 'just for the sake of it'. we are talking about whether or not colour is important when casting for the role of Bond. 'would people notice?' What i mean is, 'do people really care about the colour of Bond?' there would only be one way to find out, wouldn't there? 


The casting of Bond is usually one of the most hotly discussed topics in film casting, so its pretty safe that people will care. Based on the fact that many complain about every idiosyncracy of an actor not fitting their understanding of Fleming's character I'd imagine there would be more than a good few purists who'd see a coloured Bond as not suited to the role.

If I'd have been the Bond franchise I'd have spun off a 006 (or 8 or whatever) with Colin Salmon

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RE: The Black Bond Question - 14/4/2009 11:17:35 AM   
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 I think for me, it all comes down to this: if you're going to change something so established as a character's skin colour, then why not just do a completely different character altogether?

Would you cast a black man as Superman? An Asian actor as Sherlock Holmes? etc etc

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RE: The Black Bond Question - 14/4/2009 11:43:11 AM   
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I think for me, it all comes down to this: if you're going to change something so established as a character's skin colour, then why not just do a completely different character altogether?

Would you cast a black man as Superman? An Asian actor as Sherlock Holmes? etc etc


I suppose in this sense they already have. XXX, Hancock, Blade etc etc...

different names and titles, similar story...

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RE: The Black Bond Question - 14/4/2009 11:46:39 AM   
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 Exactly, but they're still their OWN characters rather than just using the branding of an established literary and cinematic film.



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RE: The Black Bond Question - 14/4/2009 11:48:39 AM   
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The casting of Bond is usually one of the most hotly discussed topics in film casting, so its pretty safe that people will care. Based on the fact that many complain about every idiosyncracy of an actor not fitting their understanding of Fleming's character I'd imagine there would be more than a good few purists who'd see a coloured Bond as not suited to the role.


it is true to say that no-one will ever agree on the perfect Bond. Connery will always be the defining Bond to some for instance. You remember the Brouhaha over the casting of Daniel Craig? For some (darth silas) this is sacriligious, for others (me) just what the franchise needed. Bringing in a black Bond would please some, and others not.

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RE: The Black Bond Question - 14/4/2009 11:52:27 AM   
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Exactly, but they're still their OWN characters rather than just using the branding of an established literary and cinematic film.




you could argue why they need to update Bond then. why not keep him in the Cold war and keep it as a period piece. is this not using the branding of an established literary figure to reel off new stories. apart from the name Quantum of Solace had nothing to do with the books. It could have been any actioner.

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RE: The Black Bond Question - 14/4/2009 2:01:24 PM   
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A black Bond is almost as silly as a white Shaft.

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RE: The Black Bond Question - 14/4/2009 6:35:06 PM   
dhowdy

 

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 isn't that what 8 mile/white men can't jump etc etc all about. breaking stereotypes about what was perceived white/blacks could/shouldn't do...

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RE: The Black Bond Question - 14/4/2009 7:02:47 PM   
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Would you cast a black man as Superman?


Yes, why not? He's from another planet, isn't he? Why does he have to be white?

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RE: The Black Bond Question - 15/4/2009 3:07:01 PM   
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Would you cast a black man as Superman?


Yes, why not? He's from another planet, isn't he? Why does he have to be white?



Because the creator of the character made him white?

That wasn't a trick question, I wasn't going on a 'there's no black people in space' direction.... just look at Lando Calrissian. He's a positive black/sci fi role model.

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RE: The Black Bond Question - 15/4/2009 3:42:38 PM   
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For the record though,i think Chiwetel Ejiofor would be good for the part if they do make him black.


The only Bond related thing I think I've ever agreed with you on...

There is no need to make Bond black for the sake of it.  However, if you take the case in point of the new Doctor Who, he's 14 years old but as The Moff and his producer said, he was simply the best actor for the job that they auditioned.  So how would people feel if the next Bond was, say, Ejiofor and he was cast for precisely those reasons?  They're casting not for a gimmick but casting the best acting fit for the role.

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RE: The Black Bond Question - 15/5/2009 7:50:23 PM   
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There is no need to make Bond black for the sake of it.  However, if you take the case in point of the new Doctor Who, he's 14 years old but as The Moff and his producer said, he was simply the best actor for the job that they auditioned.  So how would people feel if the next Bond was, say, Ejiofor and he was cast for precisely those reasons?  They're casting not for a gimmick but casting the best acting fit for the role.


do you not think Craig was a 'gimmick?' Bond is a multi-million franchise...gimmicks is exactly where they are coming from...watch this space..Bond WILL be black in the not so distant future...

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RE: The Black Bond Question - 15/5/2009 8:30:01 PM   
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If someone wants to make a secret agent film with any race/creed as the lead, then that's great and I'll look forward to it. But Bond is a white Brit. Leave the fuck alone.
Exactly. If they make a Bond film with a black person in the lead, I quit. And I'm the opposite of racist.  Can you really compare changing the skin colour of a recurring character who almost always has a new actor portrating him to changing the skin colour of perhaps the most famous film character ever?
It's not like there are no white actors to choose from


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