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RE: The Black Bond Question - 23/11/2012 12:29:57 AM   
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I wish people would lighten up and not be so offended at Bond possibly being black one day.



Nobody here has expressed offence about Bond being played by a black actor. Everybody here has been very careful and intelligent with how they've articulated their arguments for why it probably wouldn't work. You've taken those arguments and spun them into something negative.

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By the way I'm white and I seriously think that people can be as racist as they like towards us, it doesn't bother me as we have a history of not being very nice to black people.



Wow really? So here's you yelling racism at everyone who's expressed doubts about a black Bond and now you're saying you're actually OK with white people being subjected to racism? Can't you see how contradictory that is?




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RE: The Black Bond Question - 23/11/2012 2:46:42 AM   
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lol, fair dooz i may have taken this too far but in my defense I had ran out of things to say.

I think Bond should be black though because he is a cool guy and black people are way cooler than white people.

AS for GINGER!!!! Bond, not even if he was a horse.......ok maybe if he was a horse

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RE: The Black Bond Question - 23/11/2012 6:15:22 AM   
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black people are way cooler than white people.


Seriously, can you honestly not see how saying things like this are racist? One group of people are better than another group of people based solely on the colour of their skin?

The easiest way to tell if something is racist - IF IT'S NOT FUCKING OBVIOUS IN THE FIRST PLACE - is to reverse the sentiment.

"white people are way cooler than black people."

Yeah, sounds pretty racist right? WHAT YOU SAID IS THE EXACT SAME THING.

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RE: The Black Bond Question - 23/11/2012 6:52:51 AM   
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I think Bond should be black though because he is a cool guy and black people are way cooler than white people.



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RE: The Black Bond Question - 23/11/2012 8:49:58 AM   
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lol, fair dooz i may have taken this too far but in my defense I had ran out of things to say.

Might I humbly suggest you ran out of things to say a few pages ago

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RE: The Black Bond Question - 23/11/2012 8:51:18 AM   
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I think Bond should be black though because he is a cool guy and black people are way cooler than white people.



Ladies and gentlemen - the new James Bond!




I would watch the fuck out of that movie!

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RE: The Black Bond Question - 23/11/2012 10:09:17 AM   
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RE: The Black Bond Question - 23/11/2012 11:43:17 AM   
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quote:

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I think Bond should be black though because he is a cool guy and black people are way cooler than white people.



Ladies and gentlemen - the new James Bond!






I rest my case.



We really need a new thread

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RE: The Black Bond Question - 23/11/2012 8:55:35 PM   
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Ladies and gentlemen - the new James Bond!




Well, I'm sold.

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RE: The Black Bond Question - 23/11/2012 10:07:19 PM   
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black people are way cooler than white people.


Tidus, you're not only a racist moron, but even more unforgivably you're fucking boring. Go away.

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RE: The Black Bond Question - 24/11/2012 3:19:14 AM   
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quote:

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quote:

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black people are way cooler than white people.


Tidus, you're not only a racist moron, but even more unforgivably you're fucking boring. Go away.



ouch! that really hurt it was the swear word that made it, I was so eager to gain your approval, please forgive me.

FYI How can the conceptualist of Horsebond ever be deemed boring? I'll have you know sir that my input on this thread, re: Horsebond, will go down in the ages and future generations shall chant my name and dance wildly in the moonlight.

Also I'm not a racist in any way shape or form, If you're referring to the derogatory comments I have made towards white people then I'll remind you that I'm white so whatever I say about the race can't be construed as racist now can it?

Is Chris Rock being racist when he does stand up and talks about black people being dumb in various ways?

If anyone says that white people are in fact cooler than black people I don't think that's racist I just think it's false.

I also don't believe the whole "reversal" thing really holds up properly either.

I doubt you would get a good reception from singing "say it loud, I'm white and proud" on karaoke anywhere other than a BNP meeting to be fair.


I might have gone too far in implying people's motive's against a black Bond where racist but after this lengthy thread I'm fairly sure none of you meant it that way.

If anyone else feels that I'M a racist would they please explain why?


Also in addition to siegfried original comment, Is being boring worse than being an exciting go-getting racist? Think that one through because I don't think it is


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RE: The Black Bond Question - 24/11/2012 3:29:00 AM   
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To be fair, Tidus, you have been told to stop by a Mod. Twice.

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RE: The Black Bond Question - 24/11/2012 8:29:57 AM   
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To be fair, Tidus, you have been told to stop by a Mod. Twice.


The fact that he is talking like a cunt hasn't stopped him so i doubt being told twice by a Mod will do the trick

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RE: The Black Bond Question - 24/11/2012 8:33:03 AM   
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Best case for banning from the Forum I've come across in quite some time.

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RE: The Black Bond Question - 24/11/2012 8:46:00 AM   
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Whenever I see this thread now I keep thinking of the old Brooke Bond TV adverts (anyone as old as me will remember them) where Bond was actually replaced by a monkey.
In the light of ClattenburgGate, I'm now wondering if there were slight racist sentiments behind it all. Or even if there wasn't, it could be tenuously suggested, which seem to be the norm nowadays.
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RE: The Black Bond Question - 24/11/2012 10:09:11 AM   
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Also in addition to siegfried original comment, Is being boring worse than being an exciting go-getting racist? Think that one through because I don't think it is



The two go hand in hand, racists are by definition boring as they tend top be blinkered and only see things one way, often resort to predictable stereotype and ignore fact in preference to opinion. There is not such thing as an exciting racist as they are (in my experience) highly predictable and repetitive and I have never met nor heard of an exciting and go getting one.

With regards to this the question raised, I do not think it is so much a question of why is there not a black Bond but rather why are there not more exciting and enduring roles out there for black characters overall?

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RE: The Black Bond Question - 24/11/2012 10:27:13 AM   
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Also I'm not a racist in any way shape or form, If you're referring to the derogatory comments I have made towards white people then I'll remind you that I'm white so whatever I say about the race can't be construed as racist now can it?


Yes. Yes it can. Because it is.

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Is Chris Rock being racist when he does stand up and talks about black people being dumb in various ways?


Yes. Yes he is.
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If anyone says that white people are in fact cooler than black people I don't think that's racist I just think it's false.


No. That's still racist.

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I also don't believe the whole "reversal" thing really holds up properly either.

I doubt you would get a good reception from singing "say it loud, I'm white and proud" on karaoke anywhere other than a BNP meeting to be fair.


I think you just disproved your own point by demonstrating how the reversal can easily be seen as racist.

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ORIGINAL: Tidus
I might have gone too far in implying people's motive's against a black Bond where racist but after this lengthy thread I'm fairly sure none of you meant it that way.

If anyone else feels that I'M a racist would they please explain why?


I think, and others may correct me, but it's probably when you say racist things. That's often the clue that someone is racist. Saying racist things.

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Also in addition to siegfried original comment, Is being boring worse than being an exciting go-getting racist? Think that one through because I don't think it is



I believe "humorous context" is at play there.

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RE: The Black Bond Question - 24/11/2012 11:29:08 AM   
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quote:

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Is Chris Rock being racist when he does stand up and talks about black people being dumb in various ways?


Yes. Yes he is.


He's not. He's not saying black people are dumb because they're black. He's talking about social structures more than race. It's not the really obvious trolling of saying black people are cooler than white people.

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RE: The Black Bond Question - 24/11/2012 11:30:43 AM   
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quote:

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Is Chris Rock being racist when he does stand up and talks about black people being dumb in various ways?


Yes. Yes he is.


He's not. He's not saying black people are dumb because they're black. He's talking about social structures more than race. It's not the really obvious trolling of saying black people are cooler than white people.



On the information provided above, it sounded like he was. Not having seen his stand up, I could only go on the info given here.

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RE: The Black Bond Question - 24/11/2012 11:42:56 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: homersimpson_esq

quote:

ORIGINAL: Tidus

Is Chris Rock being racist when he does stand up and talks about black people being dumb in various ways?


Yes. Yes he is.


He's not. He's not saying black people are dumb because they're black. He's talking about social structures more than race. It's not the really obvious trolling of saying black people are cooler than white people.




On the information provided above, it sounded like he was. Not having seen his stand up, I could only go on the info given here.


I'd assumed you hadn't, yeah.

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RE: The Black Bond Question - 24/11/2012 1:50:02 PM   
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I haven't said anything remotely racist, I may have slagged of white people a bit but being white I'm allowed to do that.

I believe that generally black guys have a suaveness that most white guys don't possess.

What's racist about that?

I may be opinionated and controversial but I'm not racist in any way, unless you believe I'm racist against myself which makes no sense.

"School shootings was invented by the black man and stolen by the white man"
Is this Chris Rock quote racist?




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RE: The Black Bond Question - 24/11/2012 1:52:25 PM   
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I haven't said anything remotely racist, I may have slagged of white people a bit but being white I'm allowed to do that.

I believe that generally black guys have a suaveness that most white guys don't possess.

What's racist about that?

I may be opinionated and controversial but I'm not racist in any way, unless you believe I'm racist against myself which makes no sense.

"School shootings was invented by the black man and stolen by the white man"
Is this Chris Rock quote racist?




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I also don't believe the whole "reversal" thing really holds up properly either.

I doubt you would get a good reception from singing "say it loud, I'm white and proud" on karaoke anywhere other than a BNP meeting to be fair.



I think you just disproved your own point by demonstrating how the reversal can easily be seen as racist.



So James Brown's original "Say it loud, I'm black and proud" is racist?

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RE: The Black Bond Question - 24/11/2012 1:59:52 PM   
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Irrespective of anything else, the idea that you can't exhibit racist attitudes to your own race is, in fact, nonsense. So I honestly wouldn't try to use that as an excuse. All you need to do to demonstrate that is read the writing of any swivel eyed zealot anytime a jew criticises the actions of the Israeli government - the term self-hate is banded about a lot.

This discussion is not about your comments so can we now ask you to either take further discussion on this to PMs or remove it to a more appropriate part of the Board. Site rules ask users not to drag threads off topic and this one has gone way off that.



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RE: The Black Bond Question - 24/11/2012 6:17:17 PM   
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So James Brown's original "Say it loud, I'm black and proud" is racist?


You really don't get this do you? Black people for years were seen as the minority. Racist white pricks saying 'I'm white and I'm proud' is used as an insult towards other races. It's basically saying 'Glad I'm not black, I'm better than you'. When a black man says 'I'm black and I'm proud' they are doing so in defiance to their oppressors. There's the difference.

Bloody hell, won't you just stop already?

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RE: The Black Bond Question - 24/11/2012 6:46:55 PM   
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I thought you were the one arguing there was no difference between a white and black person culturally, now you're saying the whole race group is cooler than the other race group so obviously you think there is a difference...

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RE: The Black Bond Question - 25/11/2012 2:52:53 AM   
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So James Brown's original "Say it loud, I'm black and proud" is racist?


You really don't get this do you? Black people for years were seen as the minority. Racist white pricks saying 'I'm white and I'm proud' is used as an insult towards other races. It's basically saying 'Glad I'm not black, I'm better than you'. When a black man says 'I'm black and I'm proud' they are doing so in defiance to their oppressors. There's the difference.

Bloody hell, won't you just stop already?



yes I know this was my point.


I'm leaving this thread alone now coz it has been totally derailed but I would like to point out that I'm not a racist and although I may have said some derogatory things about white people I believe I'm allowed to do this being white myself.

Peace.

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RE: The Black Bond Question - 25/11/2012 7:15:05 AM   
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I'm not a racist

I have said some derogatory things about white people




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RE: The Black Bond Question - 25/11/2012 9:10:03 AM   
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I'm a black man and I don't think Bond should be played by a black actor Bond is white. What I do think is that there is scope for a new agent definitely played by Idris Elba, who can come from the same department as 007 with a 00 licence to kill, with the same particular kind of skills as James B, just as ruthless and cool and answering to M. We know Bond is a franchise so they obviously want to keep that cash cow going, but the audience isn't stupid and it wouldn't take long for them to figure out that this new guy is from the same cast as Bond, there's no reason why there can't be other 00s with different skin tones. I remember watching Thunderball years and years ago and being thrilled at the sight of seeing Bond walk into this conference room with other agents, at that moment I wanted to know more about them, what they were like, what projects they'd been working on in the world of espionage. That's a prime opportunity to kickstart a new franchise right there, surely I can't be the only one who loves the idea of other agents around the world doing their thing whilst Bond is doing his elsewhere!

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RE: The Black Bond Question - 25/11/2012 9:25:20 AM   
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So James Brown's original "Say it loud, I'm black and proud" is racist?


You really don't get this do you? Black people for years were seen as the minority. Racist white pricks saying 'I'm white and I'm proud' is used as an insult towards other races. It's basically saying 'Glad I'm not black, I'm better than you'. When a black man says 'I'm black and I'm proud' they are doing so in defiance to their oppressors. There's the difference.

Bloody hell, won't you just stop already?



yes I know this was my point.


I'm leaving this thread alone now coz it has been totally derailed but I would like to point out that I'm not a racist and although I may have said some derogatory things about white people I believe I'm allowed to do this being white myself.
Peace.


It's not the derogatory things that make you sound like an idiot, it's the fact that you said racism against one particular group of people is bad but racism against a different group is fine.

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RE: The Black Bond Question - 25/11/2012 11:07:44 AM   
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quote:

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quote:

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Tidus
So James Brown's original "Say it loud, I'm black and proud" is racist?


You really don't get this do you? Black people for years were seen as the minority. Racist white pricks saying 'I'm white and I'm proud' is used as an insult towards other races. It's basically saying 'Glad I'm not black, I'm better than you'. When a black man says 'I'm black and I'm proud' they are doing so in defiance to their oppressors. There's the difference.

Bloody hell, won't you just stop already?



yes I know this was my point.


I'm leaving this thread alone now coz it has been totally derailed but I would like to point out that I'm not a racist and although I may have said some derogatory things about white people I believe I'm allowed to do this being white myself.

Peace.


Hitler said some derogatory things about Poles & Slavs but its all cool, he's white himself

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