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RE: The Black Bond Question - 20/11/2012 1:41:42 PM   
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Can you imagine the horror of a campaign called Ass Not Bond?


Why couldn't a butt play Bond?

I guess it would have to have a face. On the other hand, AssBond could just be a cyclops with no other facial features, just arms and legs.

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RE: The Black Bond Question - 20/11/2012 2:19:47 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Hood_Man
Can you imagine the horror of a campaign called Ass Not Bond?


Why couldn't a butt play Bond?

I guess it would have to have a face. On the other hand, AssBond could just be a cyclops with no other facial features, just arms and legs.


"Such...a coooold finger."



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RE: The Black Bond Question - 20/11/2012 2:22:37 PM   
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Would the villain be OddJobby?

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RE: The Black Bond Question - 20/11/2012 3:10:08 PM   
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Zebrabond is genius. He's black AND white. Zebrabond solves all the problems.

Anyway, the idea that changing the colour of Bond's skin is no different to changing the colour of Bond's hair may in an ideal situation be one and the same idea, in actuality it is clearly not. 20 pages say as much here alone. (Well, 18. About 2 were for Horsebond.) There are cultural considerations and the effect that changing it would have, whether that is right or wrong, it would be present and therefore a consideration.



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RE: The Black Bond Question - 20/11/2012 4:12:54 PM   
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On the other hand, AssBond could just be a cyclops


A brown eyed cyclops.


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"Such...a coooold finger."


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Would the villain be OddJobby?


Yes. Or Bumfeld.


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Zebrabond solves all the problems.


I already solved the problem on page 18. Most people appear to have missed, or ignored it. Sad face.

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RE: The Black Bond Question - 21/11/2012 12:47:14 PM   
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There are cultural considerations and the effect that changing it (skin tone) would have


Not really unless you actually care what narrow minded people think.

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RE: The Black Bond Question - 21/11/2012 12:55:46 PM   
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This thread is like twiglets. I keep coming back for more, even though its making a little bit sick.

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RE: The Black Bond Question - 21/11/2012 1:47:03 PM   
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I know, I'm never going to win this argument. All I can hope for is the next Bond actor is black.


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RE: The Black Bond Question - 21/11/2012 1:53:28 PM   
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Only if he's right for the part.

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RE: The Black Bond Question - 21/11/2012 1:54:44 PM   
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No, just so I can dig this thread back up and go "na na na na naa na"

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RE: The Black Bond Question - 21/11/2012 2:27:04 PM   
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You see that's the difference......

If I posted on here, ' I don't care who plays the next Bond, as long as he's white, so I can come on here and go na,na,naaa,na,na,na'

I think, you'd be screaming the R word.

Please tell me, you can recognise that.



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RE: The Black Bond Question - 21/11/2012 3:01:31 PM   
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This thread..christ almighty..

( leaves )

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RE: The Black Bond Question - 21/11/2012 7:28:31 PM   
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RE: The Black Bond Question - 22/11/2012 1:47:36 AM   
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You see that's the difference......

If I posted on here, ' I don't care who plays the next Bond, as long as he's white, so I can come on here and go na,na,naaa,na,na,na'

I think, you'd be screaming the R word.

Please tell me, you can recognise that.





1. I'm obviously not being serious
2. It would have sounded better if I had said 'as long as he isn't white'
3. It would sound kinda racist and if you had said 'as long as he isn't black' it would have sounded even more horrible
4. You can be as racist as you like towards white people, they deserve it.

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RE: The Black Bond Question - 22/11/2012 4:34:14 AM   
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4. You can be as racist as you like towards white people, they deserve it.


I'm calling you out as a troll. Stop it.

It's called racism, it's not called "ethnic minoritism". It's prejudice against an entire people based solely on the colour of their skin. What you just said IS racist, whether you were "joking" or not. You're blaming an entire race - in this case Caucasians - for the actions of some. That is, in its purest form, racism.




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CHRIST BOND


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RE: The Black Bond Question - 22/11/2012 6:58:19 AM   
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I just think that there are some icons that should not be tampered with, and Bond is one of them.
It would be just as ridiculous to do a remake of something like Shaft, with the title character played by a white actor. (And imagine the outrage if that were to happen.)

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RE: The Black Bond Question - 22/11/2012 8:28:18 AM   
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quote:

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Happy Shrapnel

You see that's the difference......

If I posted on here, ' I don't care who plays the next Bond, as long as he's white, so I can come on here and go na,na,naaa,na,na,na'

I think, you'd be screaming the R word.

Please tell me, you can recognise that.





1. I'm obviously not being serious
2. It would have sounded better if I had said 'as long as he isn't white'
3. It would sound kinda racist and if you had said 'as long as he isn't black' it would have sounded even more horrible
4. You can be as racist as you like towards white people, they deserve it.

And to think I gave you the benefit of the doubt...

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RE: The Black Bond Question - 22/11/2012 9:31:56 AM   
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4. You can be as racist as you like towards white people, they deserve it.

I'd say you we're joking but I've met people in real life with that opinion who weren't joking so not sure

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RE: The Black Bond Question - 22/11/2012 9:54:49 AM   
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Tidus needs to shit or get off the race-potty.

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RE: The Black Bond Question - 22/11/2012 11:16:41 AM   
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Hey! Idiot.

I'm black.


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No, he's accusing me and others of racism, which is unfounded, and he knows it. He is being a tit.


Hey

For the record I never accused you personally of racism,


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ORIGINAL: DancingClown

personally for me it makes more sense for Bond to be white and I think he works better as a white character.



Obviously having a preference doesn't make you prejudice against the other option.

I thought the "black bond question" was whether or not a black man could play Bond to which the answer is obviously "yes if he is a good enough actor" maybe I've missed the point of the thread.

Can you imagine going to a high school play based on a Bond movie where Bond was played by a black kid and then openly discussing in front of the kids parents and teachers how you thought they shouldn't have really cast a black kid in that role and that the part should have went to your son because he was white.

It's posts like these that I found to be rather racist:



quote:

ORIGINAL: dolfinack

Bond's a white guy. End of convo.




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ORIGINAL: Workshed

No. Just no.




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ORIGINAL: Dannybohy

Got to be the worst most pointless thread ever. Yet here I am.
Its very simple, NO you can not and should not have a Black Bond. The character is NOT black.
Would we ever have a black Superman?......no....no you won't, not ever




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ORIGINAL: Lydia_H

Asian James Bond? Latino James Bond? Slavic James Bond? Maybe we could have some kind of raffle where each race/country on the planet gets a chance of adopting James Bond as their own? We live in a multicultural society after all, why recognize only blacks and whites?

Could compromise and go for a half caste Bond at least, white mother and black father? Have Bond's parents been established at all? Could make an entire film out of Bond discovering one of his parents was black

What an amazing twist it'd be though if Bond had actually been Russian the whole time!



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a black bond would be a gimmick nothing more. Wouldn't it be better to create an original black action hero rather than give an existing white one an ethnic makeover?

I've just had an idea, let's remake Shaft but give Russell Crowe the lead role!!



James Bond is a fictional spy who works for the British secret service.

Britain is made up of white people, black people, asian people, mixed race people, eastern european people and lots of people of various ethnicity's some of whom work for the secret service.

Ergo there is not a single logical reason that Bond can't be played by a black man.

If Daniel Craig hits the sunbeds too much and ends up with a dark tan before the filming of the next film should he get his contract cancelled and a new whiter actor brought in? Of course not, the melanin content of a person skin should not in any way define whether or not they can pretend to be a spy in a movie.




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RE: The Black Bond Question - 22/11/2012 2:49:30 PM   
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I wish people would lighten up and not be so offended at Bond possibly being black one day.
By the way I'm white and I seriously think that people can be as racist as they like towards us, it doesn't bother me as we have a history of not being very nice to black people.

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RE: The Black Bond Question - 22/11/2012 2:51:20 PM   
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Hey! Idiot.

I'm black.


What's your point?

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RE: The Black Bond Question - 22/11/2012 2:53:23 PM   
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I wish people would lighten up and not be so offended at Bond possibly being black one day.
By the way I'm white and I seriously think that people can be as racist as they like towards us, it doesn't bother me as we have a history of not being very nice to black people.


You are a moron. That is all.

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RE: The Black Bond Question - 22/11/2012 3:18:08 PM   
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quote:

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I wish people would lighten up and not be so offended at Bond possibly being black one day.
By the way I'm white and I seriously think that people can be as racist as they like towards us, it doesn't bother me as we have a history of not being very nice to black people.


Are you speaking for yourself or are you tarring all white people with the same brush? Nobody has the right to say anything racist against me because it's wrong. I don't say racist things and don't act in a horrible way towards people of other races because it is not a very nice thing to to. To say a black person can say what they want because of history isn't very progressive is it?

Also-

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I'm calling you out as a troll. Stop it.


I'd pay attention if I were you.

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RE: The Black Bond Question - 22/11/2012 3:29:43 PM   
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quote:

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I wish people would lighten up and not be so offended at Bond possibly being black one day.
By the way I'm white and I seriously think that people can be as racist as they like towards us, it doesn't bother me as we have a history of not being very nice to black people.




As far as I can tell, no-one has said they would be OFFENDED at having a black Bond. The DISCUSSION was about if it would work or is it a gimmick.
I personally would PREFER Bond to stay white, as he was written in the books. However, according to you, this is not a valid reason and anyone who has this, 'is a narrow minded racist' your words.
Which I for one, take great offence too.

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RE: The Black Bond Question - 22/11/2012 3:38:30 PM   
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This is one of the better threads doing the rounds in Movie Musings, a very entertaining read.

As for my thoughts, I'm sure there are several black actors that could easily pull of the necessary skills to portray many of the characteristics of the character. However, I'm still firmly in the camp that if the character is created with a particular history, character lineage and viewin mind by the creator(s) then it should probably be respected, where adaptations of literary works are concerned I think getting as close to th original character is a good thing. A black actor could easily pull off the suave, sophisticated, womaniser that beats the bad guys and gets the girls. Of course he could, as could an actor of any other race, but Bond as a character on screen and in literature has a particular lineage and certain characteristics, and yes some of which confirm that he is indeed a white guy. He's been on screen with (loose or not) continuity for 40 years, it would be too jarring for me for Idris Elba (as he sems to be the current example of a black actor playing Bond) on screen referring to his Scottish father and dead wife Tracy, for example, because the same character that did those things in Skyfall and For Your Eyes Only (I think it's FYEO that has Bond at Tracy's graveside?) was white. It would require a full reboot of the character and one that effectively says 'all that other Bond stuff is done with, this is 'new' Bond'. Although Bond's current continuity is loose as hell, I have been swayed over recent weeks (by watching Skyfall lots, and doing a series re-watch via Sky 007) that the continuity is a there more than not. Yes, the character in each incarnation is in a different time and is of varying ages, but he's the same man, the same character. I wouldn't be against a black actor playing Bond, and I can think of a few that could certainly pull it off, I'm just not sure it would sit right with me and I would forever see the franchise split by such a change in continuity.

Batman may be a good comparison franchise. In my view, there are two Batman movie franchises - Burton world and Nolan world. Some would say three - Burton world, Schumaker world, and Nolan world. However, for me, Burton's and Schumaker's Batman are the same character. They're played by different actors and therefore have different faces, but they're in the same film universe (same Alfred and Gordon for example) even though there are visual differences in those worlds. The Nolan world is Bruce Wayne/Batman taken from the same soure material with the same characteristics and lineage but it is a different incarnation of the character. A new universe, new Alfred and Gordon. Rachel changes faces halfway through, the city changes looks in certain parts but the movie universe is the same all the way through. The next movie Batman could quite easily be played by a black actor, playing Bruce Wayne with the same upbringing, same characteristics, raised by Aflred, living in Gotham, same character all the way, but black etc. He is an adaptation of the same character but in a different universe. Thats the only way I can see a black Bond working. By recognising that tis is a whole new adaptation of the original character. The Bond franchise to date is the same movie universe, keeping elements (Desmond Llewellyn's Q, Judi Dench's M) and changing elements (Bond himself, Felix, M, ,Q etc) to keep with the times, but it is essentially the same character and movie universe thoughout - loose continuity for sure, but continuity all the same.

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RE: The Black Bond Question - 22/11/2012 6:23:00 PM   
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I wish people would lighten up and not be so offended at Bond possibly being black one day.
By the way I'm white and I seriously think that people can be as racist as they like towards us, it doesn't bother me as we have a history of not being very nice to black people.

Thats History, Back in the days of the Roman Empire, Us 'White' people in Northern Europe were Barbarians and not treated very nice....

Edit: More recently by the Japanese in WW2, doesn't give me the right as a white person to be as racist as I like to Japanese people if I see them walking around London

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RE: The Black Bond Question - 22/11/2012 7:02:18 PM   
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I wish people would lighten up and not be so offended at Bond possibly being black one day.
By the way I'm white and I seriously think that people can be as racist as they like towards us, it doesn't bother me as we have a history of not being very nice to black people.



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RE: The Black Bond Question - 22/11/2012 8:55:39 PM   
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By the way I'm white and I seriously think that people can be as racist as they like towards us, it doesn't bother me as we have a history of not being very nice to black people.


So if someone's idea of being as racist as they like was beating the shit out of you because you're white you'd be perfectly fine with that?

Back to the topic: would the people saying they'd be cool with him being black say the same if he was black and ginger?






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RE: The Black Bond Question - 22/11/2012 10:55:01 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: horribleives


quote:

ORIGINAL: Tidus
By the way I'm white and I seriously think that people can be as racist as they like towards us, it doesn't bother me as we have a history of not being very nice to black people.


So if someone's idea of being as racist as they like was beating the shit out of you because you're white you'd be perfectly fine with that?

Back to the topic: would the people saying they'd be cool with him being black say the same if he was black and ginger?



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