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RE: The Black Bond Question - 12/11/2012 2:04:56 AM   
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Yeah Colin Salmon isn't a bad shout, I still think Patterson Joseph would be boss.

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RE: The Black Bond Question - 12/11/2012 11:24:24 AM   
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I still think Patterson Joseph would be boss.

Are you scouse? Just interested because I don't think I've ever seen anyone not from liverpool say boss as a superlative but maybe it's spreading

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RE: The Black Bond Question - 12/11/2012 2:20:25 PM   
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No, I don't live that far from Liverpool though about 40 miles

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RE: The Black Bond Question - 12/11/2012 2:57:07 PM   
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I still think Patterson Joseph would be boss.

Are you scouse? Just interested because I don't think I've ever seen anyone not from liverpool say boss as a superlative but maybe it's spreading


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RE: The Black Bond Question - 12/11/2012 4:05:14 PM   
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RE: The Black Bond Question - 13/11/2012 2:03:01 AM   
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Mind Blown



really? lol


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RE: The Black Bond Question - 13/11/2012 4:12:02 AM   
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When it comes to these sorts of things (Bond, Superman, Jesus etc.) why is it always black and white.

How about an eskimo Bond?


Yes, the British government would definatly get an Eskimo in to fight terrorism.


The terrorists would never expect it.


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He's probably just fishing through the hole in the ice

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RE: The Black Bond Question - 14/11/2012 5:33:36 PM   
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Bond's a white guy. End of convo.

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RE: The Black Bond Question - 14/11/2012 5:50:53 PM   
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There you go, lock the thread.

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RE: The Black Bond Question - 14/11/2012 5:57:13 PM   
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16 pages and no-one else came up with the answer. Makes us look like a bunch of dumb asses.

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RE: The Black Bond Question - 15/11/2012 1:37:11 AM   
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Bond's a white guy. End of convo.


Seriously? Is that your input?

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RE: The Black Bond Question - 15/11/2012 7:42:06 AM   
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Bond's a white guy. End of convo.


Seriously? Is that your input?


It's concise and to the point.

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RE: The Black Bond Question - 15/11/2012 9:32:06 AM   
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It's pretty much racists who don't think that a black man could play a part previously played by a white man.

This is more to the actual point though.

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RE: The Black Bond Question - 15/11/2012 9:36:35 AM   
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RE: The Black Bond Question - 15/11/2012 9:41:36 AM   
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It's pretty much racists who don't think that a black man could play a part previously played by a white man.

This is more to the actual point though.


That absolutely isn't the point though. It's not a character played by a white man, it's a white character, with defined white parentage. Massive difference. Your argument is childishly reductive and hugely offensive

Like someone said above a black man could play 007 if it wasn't James Bond. Otherwise no.

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RE: The Black Bond Question - 15/11/2012 10:58:58 AM   
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It's pretty much racists who don't think that a black man could play a part previously played by a white man.

This is more to the actual point though.


That absolutely isn't the point though. It's not a character played by a white man, it's a white character, with defined white parentage. Massive difference. Your argument is childishly reductive and hugely offensive

Like someone said above a black man could play 007 if it wasn't James Bond. Otherwise no.


This was precisely my point. I just couldn't be bothered expanding it to this extent because it's so blinking obvious what I meant.


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RE: The Black Bond Question - 15/11/2012 1:07:53 PM   
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It's pretty much racists who don't think that a black man could play a part previously played by a white man.

This is more to the actual point though.


That absolutely isn't the point though. It's not a character played by a white man, it's a white character, with defined white parentage. Massive difference. Your argument is childishly reductive and hugely offensive

Like someone said above a black man could play 007 if it wasn't James Bond. Otherwise no.


This was precisely my point. I just couldn't be bothered expanding it to this extent because it's so blinking obvious what I meant.


And it also goes back to a page or two ago where someone brought up Shaft being played by a white person (I say person just in case someone suggests the character could be played by a woman). It's not racist, it just won't work because it's not the character.

Now, a horse or a midget on the other hand...


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RE: The Black Bond Question - 15/11/2012 1:13:57 PM   
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RE: The Black Bond Question - 15/11/2012 8:49:50 PM   
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That absolutely isn't the point though. It's not a character played by a white man, it's a white character, with defined white parentage. Massive difference. Your argument is childishly reductive and hugely offensive



I thought his lineage was defined after the casting of Connery in the first movie? Why could't that be redefined?

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RE: The Black Bond Question - 15/11/2012 8:53:41 PM   
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And it also goes back to a page or two ago where someone brought up Shaft being played by a white person (I say person just in case someone suggests the character could be played by a woman). It's not racist, it just won't work because it's not the character.



I think Shaft is a little different tho, in so much as that character was a direct product of the political and social situation of American and the early 1970's. It's arguable that that character doesn't work at all outside of those conditions (an argument backed up by the fact that Shaft 2000). From what I can see there is nothing in the core ingredients of Bond that would prevent race (or even gender) subversion.

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RE: The Black Bond Question - 16/11/2012 8:44:57 AM   
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From what I can see there is nothing in the core ingredients of Bond that would prevent race (or even gender) subversion.


Except for the fact that Ian Fleming wrote (and drew) Bond as an upper class white English ex-public school boy, in the same way that Ernest Tidyman wrote John Shaft as an African-American from the streets...

Ignoring Shaft's unique cultural birth (which, granted, does not exist with Bond), any deviation from an upper class approaching-middle-age white English male would not be James Bond.

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RE: The Black Bond Question - 16/11/2012 11:24:44 AM   
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Ignoring deviation



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RE: The Black Bond Question - 16/11/2012 11:34:01 AM   
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any deviation from an upper class approaching-middle-age white English male would not be James Bond.


Sean Connery, Timothy Dalton, George Lazenby, Pierce Brosnan = Not James Bond.

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RE: The Black Bond Question - 16/11/2012 12:03:42 PM   
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Sean Connery, Timothy Dalton, George Lazenby, Pierce Brosnan = Not James Bond.




Balls.

You understand what I mean, though. BondShaft is more of a jump than the above loose countrymen.

...I don't even know why I'm arguing the point - I'm not a Bond fan, so I personally couldn't care less who (or what) they cast as Bond.

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RE: The Black Bond Question - 16/11/2012 12:11:02 PM   
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RE: The Black Bond Question - 16/11/2012 12:17:33 PM   
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RE: The Black Bond Question - 16/11/2012 12:23:19 PM   
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RE: The Black Bond Question - 16/11/2012 12:23:26 PM   
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Chris Tucker for bond, the campaign starts now.


Nah - Yaphet Kotto. Only partly cos of the historic Bond link.

Or Herve Villechaize if we're serious about midget Bond. Again, only partly cos of the historic Bond link. I know he's dead and all, but I'm sure they could CGI him up - not as if they'd have to do too much work on such a small fella...

Herve would also tick the latino box, even though he was French-Filipino.

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RE: The Black Bond Question - 16/11/2012 10:46:18 PM   
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From what I can see there is nothing in the core ingredients of Bond that would prevent race (or even gender) subversion.


Except for the fact that Ian Fleming wrote (and drew) Bond as an upper class white English ex-public school boy, in the same way that Ernest Tidyman wrote John Shaft as an African-American from the streets...


But upper class black English ex-public school boys *do* exist. I don't understand why it's so alien a concept. The cultural things could all theoretically stay the same, the only thing that changes would be the colour of his skin.

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Ignoring Shaft's unique cultural birth (which, granted, does not exist with Bond), any deviation from an upper class approaching-middle-age white English male would not be James Bond.


But why ignore Shaft's cultural birth? That's precisely what defines that specific character. The same categorically cannot be said of Bond.

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RE: The Black Bond Question - 16/11/2012 10:52:20 PM   
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any deviation from an upper class approaching-middle-age white English male would not be James Bond.


Sean Connery, Timothy Dalton, George Lazenby, Pierce Brosnan = Not James Bond.


Doesn't that mean that not even reboot Craig Bond is Bond now that we got to see his parents and background?

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