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RE: The Black Bond Question - 26/10/2012 11:56:22 PM   
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On a serious note I thought it was well random when I saw this in The Sun today after I had just been discussing it on this site last night.

Naomie-Harris-confirms-Idris-Elba-talks-to-be-first-black-James-Bond

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RE: The Black Bond Question - 27/10/2012 12:10:38 AM   
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Seriously is Shaft the only fucking comparison to be made here? Does the black community hold this film in such high regard?

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RE: The Black Bond Question - 27/10/2012 12:27:13 AM   
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Seriously is Shaft the only fucking comparison to be made here? Does the black community hold this film in such high regard?


It's only because Shaft is a detective. There aren't many famous black spies in film or literature so it is easier to make the Shaft comparison.

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RE: The Black Bond Question - 27/10/2012 12:47:04 AM   
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To be fair you could have a white shaft if you found a cool enough actor

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RE: The Black Bond Question - 27/10/2012 12:49:31 AM   
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You could have a black James Bond. He's been played by like 6 different guys.


lol Just re-read that backward idiots fb status. "it's political correctness gone crazy"

How? In what way?

A black person playing the role of a fictional character in a movie that has previously been played by a white person in a previous movie. Bloody mental!
Next you'll be telling me that black people are allowed to vote and own their own cars

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RE: The Black Bond Question - 27/10/2012 1:53:57 AM   
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Wonder if Shaft will ever be played by a white person.



No, because there has never been a white person called John


Still laughing at this one.

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RE: The Black Bond Question - 28/10/2012 1:33:07 AM   
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To be fair you could have a white shaft if you found a cool enough actor

You couldn't, don't be daft

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RE: The Black Bond Question - 28/10/2012 1:53:11 AM   
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yes you could, just take the plot of shaft set it somewhere else and change the script to suit a white actor. It would most likely be shit but you could do it if you wanted.

What do you mean don't be daft, no you couldn't?
Care to explain why not?

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RE: The Black Bond Question - 28/10/2012 3:46:31 AM   
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 So...

SPOILER FOR SKYFALL

Is Miss Moneypenny's race change causing furore here?

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RE: The Black Bond Question - 28/10/2012 9:47:53 AM   
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RE: The Black Bond Question - 28/10/2012 12:59:04 PM   
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 If there was to be a black Bond, then Chiwetel Ejiofor would be a good choice to play the role.

His performance in Serenity was that of a ruthless assassin but with a sense of charm and panache that would be perfect for Bond.

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RE: The Black Bond Question - 28/10/2012 1:04:34 PM   
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So...

SPOILER FOR SKYFALL

Is Miss Moneypenny's race change causing furore here?

...my GOD man, what have you done??

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RE: The Black Bond Question - 28/10/2012 1:31:06 PM   
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So...

SPOILER FOR SKYFALL

Is Miss Moneypenny's race change causing furore here?


I don't think Bond fans pay much attention to the female characters.

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RE: The Black Bond Question - 28/10/2012 1:34:03 PM   
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 Now that's not true, I'm a Bond fan just for the female characters' looks.

Oh and the way Felix Lieter constantly changes form, I swear the guy is a male Mystique.

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RE: The Black Bond Question - 28/10/2012 1:37:10 PM   
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Now that's not true, I'm a Bond fan just for the female characters' looks.


Yes but I'm yet to hear you crying about the lack of gadgets, gun barrels and explosions or throw a strop over Daniel Craig's hair colour.

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RE: The Black Bond Question - 29/10/2012 6:34:23 PM   
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 No. Just no.

My black friends all also agree.

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RE: The Black Bond Question - 29/10/2012 10:26:55 PM   
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yes you could, just take the plot of shaft set it somewhere else and change the script to suit a white actor. It would most likely be shit but you could do it if you wanted.

What do you mean don't be daft, no you couldn't?
Care to explain why not?

But then it wouldn't be Shaft and it may aswell just be another character and film

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RE: The Black Bond Question - 29/10/2012 11:49:25 PM   
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 Shaft comparison is dumb. Shaft is very much about race, and race relations. That is the point of the flick.

James Bond isn't about such things, and therefore the skin colour of the actor should have no effect on the character.

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RE: The Black Bond Question - 30/10/2012 12:35:56 AM   
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yes you could, just take the plot of shaft set it somewhere else and change the script to suit a white actor. It would most likely be shit but you could do it if you wanted.

What do you mean don't be daft, no you couldn't?
Care to explain why not?

But then it wouldn't be Shaft and it may aswell just be another character and film


I know, a lot of remakes are terrible and bear little resemblance to the original

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RE: The Black Bond Question - 30/10/2012 1:29:22 AM   
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Shaft comparison is dumb. Shaft is very much about race, and race relations. That is the point of the flick.

James Bond isn't about such things, and therefore the skin colour of the actor should have no effect on the character.


Depends really. Shaft is about race issues as a product of it's time. Bond is about British... stuff. Are the general public going to be grown up enough to accept that race and nationality can be reconciled, that being British is not the same as being white? Probably not.

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RE: The Black Bond Question - 30/10/2012 8:57:20 AM   
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 Don't know that you could play a white Shaft straight. Maybe as a period piece Blaxploitation flick update/parody in which a white main character (played by, say Sam Rockwell, written by, say, Seth Mcfarlane?) acts and talks 'Black' and appears completely unaware he isn't black could act as a commentary on people who can appear...Daft! You're damn, right....

KInd of like Steve Martin in The Jerk, played up as a parody of racist attitudes, perhaps revolving around a plot that satirises white supremacists believing that 'these men of colour will stop at nothing to make every man, every woman, every child (shudder) black '

Bobby-John: Ah...Mickey-Tommy, that really don't seem possible, how they gonna go about making us black?

Mickey-Tommy: Bobby-John, that's their greatest trick, making us think it's not feasible, making us think it don't even make no sense, then one day, you wake up, black,

Bobby-John: That's...are people right? When we talk about stuff like this, are we just being stupid? Be reasonable.

Mickey-Tommy: (aghast) No, Bobby-John, not you...they got to you, didn;t they? They made you black...

Bobby-John: What? What are you talking about? I don't even got no suntan, you's blacker than me? (smiles, but its actually got rather serious)

Mickey-Tommy Get the rope boys!! We got us a (shudder) soul-brother, right here

Bobby-John: What, oh, come on...that's just...

(VOICE OFF CAMERA) Daft?

All turn to look a white guy, unafraid, cool, smirk

Daft: You're damn right...

(without hardly seeming to move, Daft kicks everyone's ass)

Daft: (Cool) Superior race? (smirks as the vanquished flee, then saying to Bobby John) slip me some skin, my brother

Bobby-John: What? They got automatic weapons and, rocket launchers and shit, we have to leave...

Daft: Yeah, but even when you're running away, walk slow, man, don;t let em see they got to you. That aint cool.

They walk away slowly, machine gun fire, grenades, RPGs, all aimed their way, all miss, Bobby John terrified, but safe, Daft is confidence supreme and doesn't even look over his shoulder

etc...


And Black James Bond? Hard to say. But should it ever happen, it should perhaps be in a film that doesn't comment on the fact he is black at all and just be a case of an actor, playing a character, as much Bond as has gone before. Leave the social significance and moral outrage and championing or decrying to whoever feels whatever way.

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RE: The Black Bond Question - 30/10/2012 9:26:41 AM   
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RE: The Black Bond Question - 30/10/2012 11:02:16 AM   
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Got to be the worst most pointless thread ever. Yet here I am.
Its very simple, NO you can not and should not have a Black Bond. The character is NOT black.
Would we ever have a black Superman?......no....no you won't, not ever



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RE: The Black Bond Question - 30/10/2012 11:05:48 AM   
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Got to be the worst most pointless thread ever. Yet here I am.
Its very simple, NO you can not and should not have a Black Bond. The character is NOT black.
Would we ever have a black Superman?......no....no you won't, not ever




Would we ever have a Blonde Superman?

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RE: The Black Bond Question - 30/10/2012 11:36:08 AM   
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Got to be the worst most pointless thread ever. Yet here I am.
Its very simple, NO you can not and should not have a Black Bond. The character is NOT black.
Would we ever have a black Superman?......no....no you won't, not ever




Would we ever have a Blonde Superman?



Honestly,joking aside,DC comics have thought of producing a black/latino superman comic.Much in the same vien as Marvel did with Spidey.

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RE: The Black Bond Question - 30/10/2012 1:08:08 PM   
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Got to be the worst most pointless thread ever. Yet here I am.
Its very simple, NO you can not and should not have a Black Bond. The character is NOT black.
Would we ever have a black Superman?......no....no you won't, not ever




Would we ever have a Blonde Superman?



Honestly,joking aside,DC comics have thought of producing a black/latino superman comic.Much in the same vien as Marvel did with Spidey.

I thought about being a snake after I watched Dusk Till Dawn, doesn't mean it will ever happen.
As for a blond Superman, strangely enough Im not sure that would bother me half as much as a Superman with no underpants.

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RE: The Black Bond Question - 30/10/2012 6:53:23 PM   
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No. Just no.

My black friends all also agree.



And the award for worst argument against a black James Bond goes to...

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RE: The Black Bond Question - 31/10/2012 9:35:57 AM   
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No. Just no.

My black friends all also agree.



And the award for worst argument against a black James Bond goes to...


Second only to someone saying no because they dont like blacks.


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RE: The Black Bond Question - 31/10/2012 8:56:38 PM   
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Asian James Bond? Latino James Bond? Slavic James Bond? Maybe we could have some kind of raffle where each race/country on the planet gets a chance of adopting James Bond as their own? We live in a multicultural society after all, why recognize only blacks and whites?

Could compromise and go for a half caste Bond at least, white mother and black father? Have Bond's parents been established at all? Could make an entire film out of Bond discovering one of his parents was black

What an amazing twist it'd be though if Bond had actually been Russian the whole time!


So true. So true. Let me pat you on the back. There there.

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RE: The Black Bond Question - 1/11/2012 5:29:09 PM   
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Anybody who thinks James Bond can't be black is living in the dark ages.
I haven't read the books but he isn't blonde is he?
What is the difference between the colour of your hair and the colour of your skin?

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