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The Black Bond Question - 24/11/2008 12:28:56 PM   
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Following Barack Obama’s election as the first African-American president in U.S. history, 007 star Daniel Craig suggested it was time for the first black James Bond. Jamie Foxx lept on this idea with his usual gusto.

“Of course!” Foxx told Access, when asked if he could see himself playing the part. “I’d put a little swing in it. A little hip-hop, you know.”

And while Foxx said the British accent isn’t a problem for him, there is one key Bond component he’d have to change.

“Maybe not drinking martinis, but drinking some Hennessey maybe,” Foxx joked. “Bond would drink dark liquor.”

“I was in London and I had to give an award to Daniel Craig… and I went up and said, ‘Bond. Black Bond.’ And everybody just lost it,” Foxx added. “Black Bond would be cool.”


Now the Black Bond question is a complicated one, but I feel it boils down to this. Is Bond a character or a concept?

Now if Bond is a character then he's a half Scot/half French Swiss orphan that works for MI6 with his licence to kill that at the end is white...
If he's just a template that can be folded around around any actorm then there's no problem why a black actor can't play Bond.

For me personally though, Bond is a well established literary and cinema character. His history is well established (although updated to contemporary times everytime a new actor plays him) and at the end of the day... he is white. You can't get away from that. As an half-Asian man myself, I know I'll never play James Bond but damm, I want to be him.

Currently there's an IMDB thread of the QOS board 'debating' the Black Bond question that has essentially come down to racism vs positive discrimination (unsurprisingly) but is that a fair point. Would it be a representation of British society that should be celebrated OR is that the sort of thing that really has no place in deeming what colour a well established character is? Would you cast a white actor as Shaft or Blade? Does it even matter?! Is it JUST a character that can be played by anyone?
 

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RE: The Black Bond Question - 24/11/2008 12:37:35 PM   
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Can't be much worse that what we currently have.

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RE: The Black Bond Question - 24/11/2008 12:41:03 PM   
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It begins.....

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RE: The Black Bond Question - 24/11/2008 12:49:18 PM   
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No.
007 is white.
Casting a black actor would be just a gimmick.

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RE: The Black Bond Question - 24/11/2008 12:53:31 PM   
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RE: The Black Bond Question - 24/11/2008 12:55:11 PM   
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RE: The Black Bond Question - 24/11/2008 1:20:59 PM   
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no, i think he should be kept white. though you had an idea timon a few months back about a cross over with bollywood with shah rukh khan as the villian for the film. im still salivating at that lol.

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RE: The Black Bond Question - 24/11/2008 1:26:00 PM   
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leave it to vin-'xxx 3' is out in 2009.
oh, and modesty blaze is the female bond.

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RE: The Black Bond Question - 24/11/2008 1:32:58 PM   
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Can't be much worse that what we currently have.


As much as I wholehartedly believe in everyone's inalienable right to freedom of beliefs,


Change the record at least once every 5 years eh?

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RE: The Black Bond Question - 24/11/2008 1:39:01 PM   
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As said before Bond's a white guy. If they wanna make up a black MI6 agent that's cool. But it can't be Bond. What next, a white Blade?

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RE: The Black Bond Question - 24/11/2008 1:39:37 PM   
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Can't be much worse that what we currently have.


As much as I wholehartedly believe in everyone's inalienable right to freedom of beliefs,


Change the record at least once every 5 years eh?


Agreed.

The Daniel Craig is one of the best/the best Bond and if you don't agree you need to shut up record really needs to stop.

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RE: The Black Bond Question - 24/11/2008 1:46:14 PM   
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But on to the actual question in hand.....

Would a Black Bond be nothing more than a gimmick or does the role/character allow for such a reinterpretation?

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RE: The Black Bond Question - 24/11/2008 1:50:54 PM   
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RE: The Black Bond Question - 24/11/2008 1:53:57 PM   
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"I'd put a little swing in it. A little hip-hop, you know.”

 


And that, Mr Foxx, is why you will never be Bond.

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RE: The Black Bond Question - 24/11/2008 1:57:09 PM   
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Since a lot of the Bond diehards freaked about a guy with blonde hair playing him they'd probably lose their minds (in a non racist way) about a black guy playing him

what this will boil down to is:

Well known and originally white character being played by black man= progressive and breaking the mold

Well known and originally black character being played by white man= filthy racism and another example of us whiteys keeping the black man down (also see the Tropic Thunder "blacking up" argument)

I wouldnt have a problem with a black guy playing Bond at all, he's been played by a few different actors and theres no definitive one as everyone has their favourite, if it was a case of say, a black Indiana Jones then it wouldnt work as Ford IS that character, but it would be an interesting take on the role of Bond alright, the black guy who was the other MI6 agent in TND and TWINE would make a great Bond, cant for the life of me remember his name though

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RE: The Black Bond Question - 24/11/2008 1:58:27 PM   
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RE: The Black Bond Question - 24/11/2008 1:59:27 PM   
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Colin Salmon (played Robinson in the Bond films)

The thing is, when people say it'll be "progressive and breaking the mold", it just strikes me as change for change's sake. There's nothing REALLY that groundbreaking about it. It's nothing like Obama winning the presidency. If anything, it's just taking a well known and established character and changing it for no reason except to ride the current wave of change that's shaking the political world.



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RE: The Black Bond Question - 24/11/2008 2:23:54 PM   
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Having a black president is one thing, but it would just be wrong with a black Bond - even though I'm conviced one would play it just as good as a white.

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RE: The Black Bond Question - 24/11/2008 2:35:39 PM   
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But on to the actual question in hand.....

Would a Black Bond be nothing more than a gimmick or does the role/character allow for such a reinterpretation?

It would just be a gimmick. Can't see how simply changing his ethnicity would be a reinterpretation. & the character IS white. It would be as silly as remaking Shaft with John Travolta & would add nothing to the role other than generate press attention.

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RE: The Black Bond Question - 24/11/2008 2:38:44 PM   
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For the record, Blade was originally a white character (in the comics and Spiderman Cartoons) but seeing as he wasn't really all that established in the eyes of the masses there was no problem re-inventing him as a black character for the films.

But I agree with the above 'Shaft' comment. Imagine if a load of Blaxploitation films were remade with white guys as the lead characters, L.A would burn again (metaphorically speaking).

The idea of a black Bond may work in theory as long as the character remained the same (i.e not making him a stereotypical black guy like Jamie Foxx would...Henessey?! Hip-hop?!...tool!) but where do you draw the line? A black Harry Potter? A black Jack Ryan? I'm not racist or anything, but come on...be sensible!

Also why Jamie Foxx?! He's American! Are there no talented black British actors around?!

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RE: The Black Bond Question - 24/11/2008 2:39:33 PM   
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RE: The Black Bond Question - 24/11/2008 2:43:39 PM   
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I honestly wouldn't care as long as it is the right man for the job. That above everything else is important.

And do we honestly think that a guys skin colour will somehow change the style of Bond? I'm pretty sure the basic formula will remain the same.

But no to Salmon, he just isn't that great of an actor. Was funny how he pretty much died the same way in both of the Paul W Anderson films he starred in.

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RE: The Black Bond Question - 24/11/2008 2:46:50 PM   
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For the record, Blade was originally a white character (in the comics and Spiderman Cartoons) but seeing as he wasn't really all that established in the eyes of the masses there was no problem re-inventing him as a black character for the films.

But I agree with the above 'Shaft' comment. Imagine if a load of Blaxploitation films were remade with white guys as the lead characters, L.A would burn again (metaphorically speaking).

The idea of a black Bond may work in theory as long as the character remained the same (i.e not making him a stereotypical black guy like Jamie Foxx would...Henessey?! Hip-hop?!...tool!) but where do you draw the line? A black Harry Potter? A black Jack Ryan? I'm not racist or anything, but come on...be sensible!

Also why Jamie Foxx?! He's American! Are there no talented black British actors around?!

I thought Blade was always black? Introduced back in the 70s in Tomb Of Dracula probably cashing in on the blaxploitation boom.

I agree with your other points, what other characters will get an ethnic makeover?
More to the point the whole black Bond debate misses the real issue. Instead of casting a black actor as Bond why not just create a strong original action hero who is black or from another ethnic minority. God knows they are few & far between (apart from the overexposed Will Smith!)

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RE: The Black Bond Question - 24/11/2008 2:48:34 PM   
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And do we honestly think that a guys skin colour will somehow change the style of Bond? I'm pretty sure the basic formula will remain the same.

So why do it? It would be nothing more than a gimmick!

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RE: The Black Bond Question - 24/11/2008 2:52:05 PM   
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Instead of casting a black actor as Bond why not just create a strong original action hero who is black or from another ethnic minority. God knows they are few & far between (apart from the overexposed Will Smith!)


That's what I always wondered. There are plenty of fantastic black actors out there; Chiwtel Ejifor, Djimon Housonu, Denzel Washington... why not seemly create a strong, positive black character instead of a black actor simply taking over a role.

Plus it would perhaps force filmmakers/writers to use their imagination. Blade was a good example but they sunk that ship with Blade Trinity. xXx just failed. There's always talk of a Black Panther film but why not simply create an original character?

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RE: The Black Bond Question - 24/11/2008 3:00:38 PM   
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RE: The Black Bond Question - 24/11/2008 3:24:21 PM   
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Priests don't want a black bond?!?


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RE: The Black Bond Question - 24/11/2008 3:31:52 PM   
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Where I'm from ,  the only thing they want is a black uniform.

Is it not racist to be using the word "black"  so generally anyway ?
Obama's skin isn't black, it's mocha

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RE: The Black Bond Question - 24/11/2008 3:54:08 PM   
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Is it not racist to be using the word "black"  so generally anyway ?


no

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RE: The Black Bond Question - 24/11/2008 4:01:16 PM   
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