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RE: Spelling, Punctuation, Grammar. - 23/11/2008 8:03:16 AM   
Gimli The Dwarf


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ORIGINAL: Acho

quote:

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The Parents Association

Where, if anywhere would you put the apostrophe?


The Parents' Association

At the end. Possessive plural. I don't know if that's the technical term, but it's what I call it.

It's only done that way if the word that ends with 's' has the 's' because it's plural; if the word/name just happens to end with an 's', then 's is added.

eg

My boss's face is mad because I was late.
I was late because I was reading Incanus's post.
Incanus's posts' points are very thorough and interesting.

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RE: Spelling, Punctuation, Grammar. - 23/11/2008 9:57:07 AM   
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Hello, my name is Baby Bear and I use italics far too often and not in their correct context.

* gazes lovingly at Incanus *
 
A well turned phrase is as seductive as a well turned heel.........*

* see, I did it again...........

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RE: Spelling, Punctuation, Grammar. - 23/11/2008 4:39:08 PM   
Incanus


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"Wrong" is such a strong word, Gimli , full of negative connotation. "Incorrect" would be suitable in this case. Or it might be put down to a printing error...that's it.

Even if a name ends in -s (Jesus, Ross, etc), nouns and proper nouns in singular take the 's possessive structure.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Baby Bear
Hello, my name is Baby Bear and I use italics far too often and not in their correct context.
* gazes lovingly at Incanus *
A well turned phrase is as seductive as a well turned heel.........*
* see, I did it again...........


Hi BB! *casts a loving glance back at Baby Bear*
I don't think the use of italics is subject to any specific grammar rules. Practically, italics is an invention of typography, not related to grammar, syntax, morphology, etc. all those things that a language comprises. Its use is to indicate that the specific word or phrase should be regarded as having some different quality to the rest of the sentence, be it a stress in the voice, an emphasis in meaning, an innuendo, etc.


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RE: Spelling, Punctuation, Grammar. - 23/11/2008 9:50:13 PM   
kathryn2

 

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Incanus

"Wrong" is such a strong word, Gimli , full of negative connotation. "Incorrect" would be suitable in this case. Or it might be put down to a printing error...that's it.

Even if a name ends in -s (Jesus, Ross, etc), nouns and proper nouns in singular take the 's possessive structure.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Baby Bear
Hello, my name is Baby Bear and I use italics far too often and not in their correct context.
* gazes lovingly at Incanus *
A well turned phrase is as seductive as a well turned heel.........*
* see, I did it again...........


Hi BB! *casts a loving glance back at Baby Bear*
I don't think the use of italics is subject to any specific grammar rules. Practically, italics is an invention of typography, not related to grammar, syntax, morphology, etc. all those things that a language comprises. Its use is to indicate that the specific word or phrase should be regarded as having some different quality to the rest of the sentence, be it a stress in the voice, an emphasis in meaning, an innuendo, etc.



Again,  I have to point out that the context is the most important thing. Context, in fact, is everything - there are contexts in which there are strict rules about the use of italics, which may not be grammatical rules per se but can be equally as important in some respects.

For example, if you're looking at a reference list in an academic work, the use of italics will tell you what type of publication the citation is from - book and journal titles will be italicized, but article and chapter titles will not. That can be quite important if you're trying to look up a reference!

Some academic writing styles have strict rules about the use of italics in writing - in APA style, for example, italics are used for key terms/theories, linguistic terms, to distinguish experimental groups/conditions (e.g., 'the small group' as opposed to 'the small group'), and should not be used for emphasis. Though I'm finding many authors find the latter difficult - it's such an ingrained habit. I've also worked on an article where italics were overused so much that it became almost painful to read - it felt like the author was constantly shouting, because he was emphasizing everything. Fortunately the style guidelines for the journal said that italics should be used sparingly for emphasis, and so I was able to take most of them out.

Don't forget, too, there are certain contexts where following grammatical rules to the letter  produces the most awful, boring and turgid writing. You could never split an infinitive, for example. It's often better to treat them as guidelines!

I'm waffling now, and I really should be working

< Message edited by kathryn2 -- 24/11/2008 4:37:36 PM >

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RE: Spelling, Punctuation, Grammar. - 24/11/2008 8:36:17 AM   
homersimpson_esq


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Space: the final frontier. These are the voyages of the Starship Enterprise. Its five year mission to explore strange new worlds, to seek out new life and new civilizations, to go boldly where no man has gone before.

Perhaps the most famous split infinitive, corrected.

Another 'rule', about never ending a sentence with a preposition was most famously commented on by Sir Winston Churchill (although it's probably an urban legend that would get the alarms sounding on QI).
After an overzealous editor attempted to rearrange one of Winston Churchill's sentences to avoid ending it in a preposition, the Prime Minister scribbled a single sentence in reply: "This is the sort of bloody nonsense up with which I will not put."

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RE: Spelling, Punctuation, Grammar. - 24/11/2008 9:50:13 AM   
Baby Bear


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Homeys next post will correct Yoda's dialogue.

Once completed, Yoda will sound more like Incanus...........



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I have no idea how the idea came about! one moment I was eating turkey, the next i was on all fours

Daz : Get. A fucking. Room.

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RE: Spelling, Punctuation, Grammar. - 24/11/2008 2:55:43 PM   
Incanus


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An expert on jokes Baby Bear clearly is! 


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RE: Spelling, Punctuation, Grammar. - 24/11/2008 4:35:25 PM   
Olaf


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Is it ageing or aging?
And if "melancholic" is an adjective, is the noun "melancholy" or "melancholia"? (actually, is the adjective "melancholic" or "melancholy" for that matter?)


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RE: Spelling, Punctuation, Grammar. - 24/11/2008 4:46:30 PM   
kathryn2

 

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Olaf

Is it ageing or aging?
And if "melancholic" is an adjective, is the noun "melancholy" or "melancholia"? (actually, is the adjective "melancholic" or "melancholy" for that matter?)



It can be either ageing or aging, according to my Oxford English Reference Dictionary.

Melancholic is an adjective, melancholy is both an adjective and a noun.
Melancholia is a noun too, by the way - a mental illness marked by depression and ill-founded fears.

I love my dictionary.

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RE: Spelling, Punctuation, Grammar. - 24/11/2008 11:03:09 PM   
homersimpson_esq


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Why do inflammable and flammable mean the same thing?

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RE: Spelling, Punctuation, Grammar. - 24/11/2008 11:40:00 PM   
Incanus


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Because inflammable derives from the Latin inflammare (= set in flames).

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RE: Spelling, Punctuation, Grammar. - 24/11/2008 11:45:30 PM   
homersimpson_esq


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And flammable?


Also, why can you be overwhelmed and underwhelmed, but never simply whelmed?


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RE: Spelling, Punctuation, Grammar. - 24/11/2008 11:58:57 PM   
Incanus


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Flammable derives from the Latin adjective flammabilis/ -ile. [flamma (flame) + -abilis (able)]

Actually, though very rarely today, overwhelmed and whelmed used to be interchangeable in specific contexts: She was whelmed by troubles and adversities, since it means to submerge something in water, or cover it completely.

< Message edited by Incanus -- 25/11/2008 12:01:19 AM >


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RE: Spelling, Punctuation, Grammar. - 10/3/2010 12:44:47 PM   
homersimpson_esq


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Why can you imply something, but not exply something? Why can something be explained, but not implained?

Crazy.

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RE: Spelling, Punctuation, Grammar. - 10/3/2010 1:02:02 PM   
Badgers


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Also, if someone is being moronic then they are a moron, but if they are being ironic they're not an iron?

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RE: Spelling, Punctuation, Grammar. - 10/3/2010 1:08:03 PM   
superdan


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Why is dyslexia such a tricky word to spell? Surely it's just rubbing salt in the wounds?

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RE: Spelling, Punctuation, Grammar. - 10/3/2010 1:20:36 PM   
homersimpson_esq


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Also lisp has an 's'.

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RE: Spelling, Punctuation, Grammar. - 10/3/2010 1:25:02 PM   
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And why is abbreviation such a long word?

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RE: Spelling, Punctuation, Grammar. - 10/3/2010 3:38:37 PM   
Olaf


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I didn't read the thread to see if this has been mentioned already, but the title is grammatically incorrect and should be "Spelling, Punctuation and Grammar." (alos acceptable is "Spelling, Punctuation, and Grammar.")

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RE: Spelling, Punctuation, Grammar. - 10/3/2010 3:46:25 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: homersimpson_esq

And flammable?


Also, why can you be overwhelmed and underwhelmed, but never simply whelmed?



I think you can in Europe.

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RE: Spelling, Punctuation, Grammar. - 10/3/2010 4:50:04 PM   
Chief


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quote:

ORIGINAL: Olaf

I didn't read the thread to see if this has been mentioned already, but the title is grammatically incorrect and should be "Spelling, Punctuation and Grammar." (alos acceptable is "Spelling, Punctuation, and Grammar.")


?

Nightmare when that happens.....

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RE: Spelling, Punctuation, Grammar. - 10/3/2010 4:52:10 PM   
Olaf


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quote:

ORIGINAL: Chief

quote:

ORIGINAL: Olaf

I didn't read the thread to see if this has been mentioned already, but the title is grammatically incorrect and should be "Spelling, Punctuation and Grammar." (alos acceptable is "Spelling, Punctuation, and Grammar.")


?

Nightmare when that happens.....


It truly is.

Though in my (weak) defence, I was correcting his grammar not his spelling. So I get to keep at least some of my pedant points.


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RE: Spelling, Punctuation, Grammar. - 10/3/2010 6:51:58 PM   
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This thread reminded me about how much I like Nada surf..

Everybody's right and no one is sorry...

Incidentally Homer don't know as much about grammar as he claims his outdated copy of Swann shows him up.

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RE: Spelling, Punctuation, Grammar. - 10/3/2010 7:06:46 PM   
homersimpson_esq


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quote:

ORIGINAL: Olaf

I didn't read the thread to see if this has been mentioned already, but the title is grammatically incorrect and should be "Spelling, Punctuation and Grammar." (alos acceptable is "Spelling, Punctuation, and Grammar.")


The thread title and both your alternative suggestions are all fragments and not true sentences. The thread title as it is, is simply a list, which is an established manner of transmitting a series of ideas, concepts, or things, in an efficient manner.

So ner ner ner.

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RE: Spelling, Punctuation, Grammar. - 10/3/2010 7:10:35 PM   
Kilo_T_Mortal


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so ner, ner, ner?

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RE: Spelling, Punctuation, Grammar. - 10/3/2010 7:13:40 PM   
Olaf


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quote:

ORIGINAL: homersimpson_esq

quote:

ORIGINAL: Olaf

I didn't read the thread to see if this has been mentioned already, but the title is grammatically incorrect and should be "Spelling, Punctuation and Grammar." (alos acceptable is "Spelling, Punctuation, and Grammar.")


The thread title and both your alternative suggestions are all fragments and not true sentences. The thread title as it is, is simply a list, which is an established manner of transmitting a series of ideas, concepts, or things, in an efficient manner.

So ner ner ner.


Are you sure it's a fragment? I just typed "Spelling, Punctuation and Grammar." into a Word document and no green squiggly thing. (I don't really know.)


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RE: Spelling, Punctuation, Grammar. - 10/3/2010 7:47:14 PM   
homersimpson_esq


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quote:

ORIGINAL: Olaf

quote:

ORIGINAL: homersimpson_esq

quote:

ORIGINAL: Olaf

I didn't read the thread to see if this has been mentioned already, but the title is grammatically incorrect and should be "Spelling, Punctuation and Grammar." (alos acceptable is "Spelling, Punctuation, and Grammar.")


The thread title and both your alternative suggestions are all fragments and not true sentences. The thread title as it is, is simply a list, which is an established manner of transmitting a series of ideas, concepts, or things, in an efficient manner.

So ner ner ner.


Are you sure it's a fragment? I just typed "Spelling, Punctuation and Grammar." into a Word document and no green squiggly thing. (I don't really know.)



You're basing your grammatical knowledge on Microsoft Word?! *shakes head*

I despair.

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RE: Spelling, Punctuation, Grammar. - 11/3/2010 8:21:40 PM   
Baby Bear


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quote:

ORIGINAL: Badgers
Also, if someone is being moronic then they are a moron, but if they are being ironic they're not an iron?

This made me giggle more than any post today......


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Felix: "Poor guy. They must be like space hoppers by now."

lympo :
I have no idea how the idea came about! one moment I was eating turkey, the next i was on all fours

Daz : Get. A fucking. Room.

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RE: Spelling, Punctuation, Grammar. - 11/3/2010 9:09:27 PM   
TheManWithNoShame


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quote:

ORIGINAL: Olaf

I didn't read the thread to see if this has been mentioned already, but the title is grammatically incorrect and should be "Spelling, Punctuation and Grammar." (alos acceptable is "Spelling, Punctuation, and Grammar.")


Who gives a fuck about an Oxford comma?


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RE: Spelling, Punctuation, Grammar. - 11/3/2010 9:23:26 PM   
Olaf


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If there's any other way to spell the word, it's fine with me.

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