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The Cure - 4/11/2008 3:54:15 PM   
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So i was listening to the new Cure album 4:13 Dream, which, is shockingly their best album since Wish. Anyway, I thought I might use the new album's release as an opportunity to sell you The Cure. I'm a pretty big fan and was lucky enough to see them live earlier in the year when they played a superb 41-song set at Wembley Arena (ably supported by the excellent 65daysofstatic).

The thing about The Cure is that in their back catalogue there should be something for everyone. If you like depressing sparse post-punk then Faith and Seventeen Seconds can satisfy you...maybe you like the very dark despairing sounds of Pornography...or the goth-pop of Head on The Door and Kiss Me...or the prog-like genius of Disintegration...or the fantastic indie-rock of Wish. And then outside of any of the albums they've made you have singles which never made it to an LP: Boys Don't Cry, Killing An Arab, Charlotte Sometimes, Lets Go To Bed, Lovecats...and so on.

Unfortunately, the Greatest Hits album steers well clear of all their darker and best songs, which is why I thought it might be useful to give you an idea of where I peronally think, they are at their best. Here are my favourite Cure albums as they stand this afternoon....


1. Disintegration (1989)



Lovely, lush, atmospheric music; Disintegration for me is the Dark Side Of The Moon of the 80s. Right from the opening of Plainsong to the the final Untitled track, it simply soars...from the singles of Pictures of You and Lovesong to the mammoth-length album tracks of The Same Deep Water As You and the vicious title-track, the whole package just falls effortlessly into place. It does take a few listens to get into, so to speak, but then so does all the best music.

Favourite tracks: Pictures Of You, Last Dance, Facination Street, The Same Deep Water As You, Disintegration, Homesick, Untitled.


2. Pornography (1982)



The darkest Cure album; angry and despairing, it's the last of the darker trilogy of albums made between 1981 and 1983. It's not the easiest listen but it's full of glorious depression. It opens with one of the heaviest tracks the Cure have written in One Hundred Years, the line "It doesn't matter if we all die..." and the mood generally stays the same until the end. It's telling that not a single track on here made it to the Greatest Hits album; these songs are simply too dark to sit alongisde the Lovecats and Friday Im In Loves of their collection.

Favourite tracks: One Hundred Years, Figurehead, Cold


3. Wish (1992)



I'm putting this one a little higher than I might usually, admittedly because it's a lot more accessible than the likes of Faith and Seventeen Seconds. It's full of excellent songs, including what some think is their best ever track in From The Edge Of The Deep Green Sea. It mixes some of the darker tones of Disintegration (Open, Apart, Cut) with poppier songs that went on  to be singles (High, Friday Im In Love, Letter To Elise). My unitial criticism of the album was that although it was full of many good songs, the darker and more commercial tracks didn't necessarily sit together too well...however, after having listened to it hundreds of times over times, it no longer seems deficient in that respect. it is a great introduction to the bang as it covers various aspects of their sound since Pornography. And I absolutely love the opening track called...er...Open.

Favourite songs: Open, From The Edge Of The Deep Green Sea, Trust, Letter To Elise, To Wish Impossible Things


4. Faith (1981)



The bleakest Cure album; sombre, depressing and deliberately understated. Again, not a single track on here makes the Greatest Hits collection, but the bass-guitar driven post-punk tunes should provide hours of misery for all those so inclined. Like me.

Favourite tracks: Holy Hour, Primary, Other Voices, Drowning Man, Faith


5. Seventeen Seconds (1980)



More stripped-down post-punk, including the crowd favourites Play For Today and A Forest. Seventeen Seconds is an aquired taste, but rewarding. I can't be bothered to write much more.

Favourite Tracks: Play For Today, A Forest, M


6. 4:13 Dream (2008)



A great pop album in the same vein as Wish. Easily superior to the last three Cure albums, it's great to hear a band still able to write such good tunes, 30 years after they started recording.

Favourite tracks: The Only One,  This Here And Now With You, Sleep When I'm Dead, The Scream

7. Head On The Door (1985)



Lots of great goth pop tunes on this record including Inbetween Days, Close To Me, Six Different Ways, Blood and Kyoto Song. Another good introduction to the band.

Favourite tracks:  Inbetween Days, Kyoto Song, Push, A Night Like This


8. Kiss Me Kiss Me Kiss Me (1987)



Many people list this album amongs their favourites but I've never been as enamoured with it - I don't like tracks such as Why Can't I Be You, and I'm not sure that the harsh sounds of The Kiss, Torture, Shiver and Shake or Snakepit go together well with the pop-songs like Just Like Heaven and Catch. And it's also too long, in my opinion.

Favourite tracks: Torture, Just Like Heaven, One More Time, The Perfect Girl

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So, any other Cure fans out there?

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RE: The Cure - 4/11/2008 4:03:35 PM   
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The missus is much more in to them than me but I do love some individual tracks dearly...Pictures of You is one of my favourite ever tunes actually

Also really love Lovesong and Lullaby

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RE: The Cure - 4/11/2008 4:29:15 PM   
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My sister told me to give them a listen, so I got their Greatest Hits album after constantly hearing the tune to In Between Days!  Brilliant compilation.

They put on a 3 1/2 hour show apparently.  That would be amazing to see.

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RE: The Cure - 4/11/2008 8:21:53 PM   
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I love The Cure. Friday I'm In Love is the perfect pop single, I think. Though it's a tie between that, A Forest and Plainsong for my favourite song.

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RE: The Cure - 4/11/2008 8:33:54 PM   
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Great band that I should really buy more of I only have the Greatest Hits my standout song has to be Lovecats.

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RE: The Cure - 4/11/2008 9:52:41 PM   
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Great band that I should really buy more of I only have the Greatest Hits my standout song has to be Lovecats.


I hate that song. My fave is A Forest

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RE: The Cure - 4/11/2008 9:56:15 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: SilentBob

quote:

ORIGINAL: matthewforan

Great band that I should really buy more of I only have the Greatest Hits my standout song has to be Lovecats.


I hate that song. My fave is A Forest


If I weren't for your cool username and Av I'd have to throw down. But nah come on it's great all Cure songs are.

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RE: The Cure - 5/11/2008 4:03:01 PM   
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I too only own the greatest hits, since my brother was going on and on about them.  Really love it but didn't know where to go next.  Thanks to Giant Green Rabbit I now have a better idea of where to go next. 

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RE: The Cure - 5/11/2008 9:09:22 PM   
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In Between Days is ace.

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RE: The Cure - 5/11/2008 9:23:54 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: matthewforan

quote:

ORIGINAL: SilentBob

quote:

ORIGINAL: matthewforan

Great band that I should really buy more of I only have the Greatest Hits my standout song has to be Lovecats.


I hate that song. My fave is A Forest


If I weren't for your cool username and Av I'd have to throw down. But nah come on it's great all Cure songs are.


I don't like Caterpillar either. Weren't they consecutive singles? Those songs are absent from my self compiled fave Cure song CD.

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RE: The Cure - 6/11/2008 1:25:38 AM   
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Disintergration and Pornogrpahy are masterpieces. Been wondering what to get next, thanks.

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RE: The Cure - 6/11/2008 1:45:46 AM   
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ORIGINAL: tarantinofan

Disintergration and Pornogrpahy are masterpieces. Been wondering what to get next, thanks.


If you like those brooding masterpieces, get Faith next. It's gloriously depressing.

quote:


I don't like Caterpillar either. Weren't they consecutive singles? Those songs are absent from my self compiled fave Cure song CD.


Catepillar is shite IMO; it's from the utterly dire album The Top, which was written after Pornography and the Japanese Whispers EP. To think that on the previous album they were writing songs like this:

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=WDgifofIydY&feature=related (One Hundred Years)
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=cc5_8zNWlVg (Cold - Live in Berlin)

And Mikey, if you like Inbetween Days, get the album Head On The Door; good guitar-pop, as opposed to The Top's shit guitar-pop. If you like songs like Friday Im In Love then get Wish. If you really dislike Lovecats then check out the darker albums of Seventeen Seconds, Faith, Pornography and Disintegration.




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RE: The Cure - 6/11/2008 1:47:13 AM   
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I'd like to add, I'm really starting to like 4:13 Dream a lot...

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RE: The Cure - 6/11/2008 5:33:11 PM   
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I might be getting it at the weekend, sounds good from the majority of reviews. Though I'm more excited about the prospect of a "dark" half of the album getting a release next year.

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RE: The Cure - 6/11/2008 7:40:11 PM   
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The Cure are playing the shockwaves NME award ceremony at the O2 arena in February... No idea how long the set would be, as it is the awards ceremony... featuring the cure, so I am a bit unsure whether to try and get tickets or not, presale is available now, dunno when they go on sale properly... Tickets are 30.

On another note I am really enjoying the new album now, at first I liked it, then I wasn't so sure, but now I have listened to it quite a lot and I think it is the best one they have made in quite a while, but like Olaf I am rather excited about the idea of another one next year, if the quality of the songs is just as good then It should be pretty damn good

EDIT- Looking at it again it isn't the ceremony, it's the NME awards Big Gig, featuring the cure, plus special guests TBC... hmmm, this has made me more intrigued I have to say. Might not be an immense show of 3 1/2 hour standards, but having never seen them I am thinking anything would be better than nothing

EDIT2- Just looked at possibly getting 3 tickets (I know two other people who would probably go with me) And the only seats available are pretty much ones where you are not only so far away you can't see anything, but also right at the side of the stage so your view would be obscured anyway, and I can't imagine sound would be that fantastic either. Having seen just how bad the seats in the upper tier are, unless they release more tickets, I think I will be giving this one a miss..., also, looking at ebay, seems the touts got a load of the best tickets, really pisses me off.


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RE: The Cure - 7/11/2008 12:30:35 PM   
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quote:

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The Cure are playing the shockwaves NME award ceremony at the O2 arena in February... No idea how long the set would be, as it is the awards ceremony... featuring the cure, so I am a bit unsure whether to try and get tickets or not, presale is available now, dunno when they go on sale properly... Tickets are 30.

On another note I am really enjoying the new album now, at first I liked it, then I wasn't so sure, but now I have listened to it quite a lot and I think it is the best one they have made in quite a while, but like Olaf I am rather excited about the idea of another one next year, if the quality of the songs is just as good then It should be pretty damn good

EDIT- Looking at it again it isn't the ceremony, it's the NME awards Big Gig, featuring the cure, plus special guests TBC... hmmm, this has made me more intrigued I have to say. Might not be an immense show of 3 1/2 hour standards, but having never seen them I am thinking anything would be better than nothing

EDIT2- Just looked at possibly getting 3 tickets (I know two other people who would probably go with me) And the only seats available are pretty much ones where you are not only so far away you can't see anything, but also right at the side of the stage so your view would be obscured anyway, and I can't imagine sound would be that fantastic either. Having seen just how bad the seats in the upper tier are, unless they release more tickets, I think I will be giving this one a miss..., also, looking at ebay, seems the touts got a load of the best tickets, really pisses me off.



I have four standing tickets for that NME gig. My friends and I intend to go because the last Cure gig was brilliant value - three-and-a-half hours and 41 songs, like you mentioned. However, the downsides of this gig is that as an NME gig, there might be a small setlist, fewer songs from their edgier albums and a hgh probability of being surrounded by 17-year olds who don't know any of their music. If The Cure announce a UK tour it may well be that we won't go to the NME gig, and if you're still interested, I could give you the four tickets for the price I paid for them (something like 135 in total).


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RE: The Cure - 7/11/2008 11:30:21 PM   
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Well if they do announce a full tour I think I will be trying to get tickets for that, but if that is not possible I would certainly be interested in buying the tickets off you, thanks. I have to say that I was a little bit peeved that they only played that wembley Gig in the UK after a pretty decent tour of the rest of the World. I would have gone but it was on a really inconvenient day . I've heard so many good things about them live they are pretty damn high my my list of people to see live. But yeah. Listening to head on the door at the moment, great album.

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RE: The Cure - 9/11/2008 4:21:11 PM   
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I became stupidly addicted to The Cure over the holidays. Every summer i usually have one band that soundtracks my depression and boredom suffered from being at home for 3 months with nothing to do and The Cure's Disintegration was my album of choice. I also love Head on the Door and Kiss Me, Kiss Me, Kiss Me.

My flat mate told me "all you need is Boys don't Cry and the best of" which is total crap because i'd say that was one of their worst albums. I've not really listened to their last couple of albums but i can see no harm investigating them.


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RE: The Cure - 9/11/2008 4:26:54 PM   
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quote:

I've not really listened to their last couple of albums but i can see no harm investigating them.


Go for the latest release 4:13 dream... It's the best of the last three in my opinion, and just a very good album in it's own right. It really has grown on me a lot.

Plus I have found out that general tickets for their O2 arena gig go on sale tomorrow at 9. I am going to have to miss a bit of my lecture to try and get them, but if I can get standing tickets for the show then count me in!

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RE: The Cure - 9/11/2008 6:34:55 PM   
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Anybody else like the self-titled album from a while back? I got it earlier this year, though it was brilliant. No one seemed to agree, though...  

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RE: The Cure - 9/11/2008 7:01:10 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Olaf

Anybody else like the self-titled album from a while back? I got it earlier this year, though it was brilliant. No one seemed to agree, though...


I liked it too. But I just think that the new one is a stronger album overall. One I will find myself coming back to more often I reckon.. I'm kinda going back through the cure albums I have at the moment, The Cure is next on the list

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RE: The Cure - 10/11/2008 9:23:54 AM   
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Couldn't get tickets. Despite being there before 0900, calling and doing the whole internet thing... The only tickets available were upper tier, which as I said before, I really hate those seats up there. Somehow in a second all the good seats and standing sold out, and let you can still get these abismal seats. So annoyed. But never mind. Hopefully they will either tour this album or the next.

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RE: The Cure - 10/11/2008 11:08:23 AM   
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God, I don't think there was a year in the early 80's when I didn't see the Cure play!  I even remember seeing Siouxsie & The Banshees when Robert Smith was their guitarist...ahh, heady days indeed!

Having said that, I kinda lost track of the band after Wish, and the bad reviews for Wild Mood Swings didn't exactly make me too enthusiastic to purchase a copy. Perhaps the fact that the band's core personnel had been gutted by this stage had some influence too - the last thing I wanted was a Robert Smith ego project (then again, I tend to mark the downturn in my interest with the departure of Lol Tolhurst in '89!)  Bloodflowers didn't exactly float my boat, despite being more of a return to the Cure of my youth. So if 4:13 Dream is as good as the long-term Cure fans are making out, it'll be a welcome addition to my collection 

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RE: The Cure - 2/2/2009 9:41:28 PM   
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I purchased Disintergration on a whim last night and was wondering what to look for next as it is definitely an enjoyable album and I whilst I was never really into them in my youth my tastes have obviously altered.


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RE: The Cure - 2/2/2009 9:45:58 PM   
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Good first album Sanch, in fact I wrote a review for it in my list thread[/blatant plug]. Seriously though, but Pornography next if you like the style of Disintegration, or if you want something a bit different The Head On The Door or Wish are great albums. 4:13 Dream is also excellent.

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RE: The Cure - 2/2/2009 9:53:25 PM   
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I think I may see a few downloads coming on (if I can find them on Play).

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RE: The Cure - 24/11/2011 10:58:42 PM   
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Balls. They played the Albert Hall the other week doing Three Imaginary Boys, Seventeen Seconds anf Faith (plus loads of singles and b-sides) back to back and I knew sod all about it. Though apparently the show sold out in minutes so I would've inevitably missed out anyway.
Still, now they've done this and the 'desolation trio' gigs (Pornography, Disintegration and Bloodflowers. Christ, I'd have cut off my arm - or spent all week wearing white face paint, birds-nest hair and Nike boots - to see that) I reckon next on the list some time in the future will be the 'happy' threesome (Head On The Door, Kiss Me Kiss Me Kiss Me and Wish) so all isn't completely lost.

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RE: The Cure - 24/11/2011 11:15:03 PM   
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I never understood why they did Bloodflowers for those trilogy shows. I've always thought that Pornography, Faith and Disintegration complement each other so much better.


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RE: The Cure - 24/11/2011 11:16:01 PM   
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Saw The Cure at Bestival, I wasn't too enthused about them playing a two and a half hour set as surely watching any band for that amount of time would get boring. Plus although I love them, I do think that other than Disintegration which is one of my favourite albums, they are very much a singles band - for me anyway. They were fucking incredible though. Completely blew me away, and the two and a half hours flew by.

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RE: The Cure - 24/11/2011 11:23:06 PM   
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I never understood why they did Bloodflowers for those trilogy shows. I've always thought that Pornography, Faith and Disintegration complement each other so much better.



Aye, when I first heard about it I always thought Faith or Seventeen Seconds would've been better choices though I think Smith said something about the lyrics to Bloodflowers being more thematically linked to Pornography and Disintegration. I really like Bloodflowers though (that and 4:13 Dream are the two best post-'89 records for me) so I'd have been in gloom-heaven either way.

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