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RE: The Bond Thread - #09: The Spy Who Loved Me (1977) - 12/11/2008 7:20:14 PM   
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I'm ruining my own thread but

Best. Bondfilm. Ever.

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RE: The Bond Thread - #09: The Spy Who Loved Me (1977) - 12/11/2008 7:45:20 PM   
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The Spy Who Loved Me is probably my favourite Moore Bond film. I've never been much of a fan of his Bond but that is my favourite. There are a few that are quite good (generally the earlier ones) but he's my least favourite Bond of the lot.

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RE: The Spy Who Loved Homer - 12/11/2008 9:05:24 PM   
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Love this thread. Homer adds another thread to his ever impressive cannon.


But don't you realise how so so so similar The Spy Who Loved Me is to You Only Live Twice?

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RE: The Spy Who Loved Homer - 12/11/2008 9:14:23 PM   
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Love this thread. Homer adds another thread to his ever impressive cannon.


But don't you realise how so so so similar The Spy Who Loved Me is to You Only Live Twice?


At least Roger Moore doesn't become a 6ft Japanese man by wearing a different wig.

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RE: The Spy Who Loved Homer - 12/11/2008 11:52:34 PM   
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This was quite good actually, the best(and the only very good one in a range varifying from bloody awful to mediocre that are Moore's Bond films) of Moore's Bond. And Jaws is a great villian. Just make me forget Moonraker*pukes*.

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RE: The Spy Who Loved Homer - 13/11/2008 11:52:30 AM   
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The Spy who Loved Me is also my fave of the Moore films. I love all the Bond films, can never pick a favourite, but my least loved (although still loved) has to be Diamonds are Forever

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The Bond Thread: 10 - Moonraker (1979) - 14/11/2008 9:42:42 AM   
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At the end of The Spy Who Loved Me we are told that James Bond Will Return in For Your Eyes Only. This is true, but not before a swift sci-fi cash-in in the wake of Star Wars, Close Encounters of the Third Kind and more recently Alien. Bond goes orbital and, sadly, that's all anyone really remembers in their swift condemnation of what is, for much of the time, a hugely enjoyable piece of light-hearted nonsense. Bond films have never been about credibility (until, arguably, two years ago) and no-one revelled in that knowledge as much as Sir Roger Moore did. James Bond is a mythic character, ridiculously well-known for being a spy, who endangers missions for a quickie, and always has time for a one-liner. And yet, through all this patent lack of realism, people latch on to the (rather spectacular) laser space fight and the principle of the film in general as a sign of Bond's decline. Yes it's far-fetched, yes it doesn't so much border on the ridiculous as jump across the border pursued by border guards, but - and this is key - it's fun. A comparable battle would be the oft-maligned one from Thunderball, where we have divers with harpoons and little vessels fighting each other underwater. Where that was turgid and dull, this one is faster and more fun. Both have a whiff (or a stink) of the fantasy about them, but one retains an element of enjoyability.

Moonraker is certainly not Bond's best, nor is it his worst. (That's possibly Octopussy.) Even 'worst' is comparative not absolute, as I enjoy them all. In Drax (Michael Lonsdale) there is a villain who has that classic 'let's destroy the world' plan underlined with the sense of culture that seems to accompany evil. His somewhat extreme plan typifies Bond at its most grandiose: Moonraker is about as far as you're going to get from the latest pair of offerings. It's a Bond film scaled up to space, but a Bond film nonetheless. Bond has an interesting dynamic with Holly Goodhead, the undercover CIA agent who ends up undercover with Bond.

We also have the return of Jaws (Richard Kiel) and his curious matching with a pig-tailed bespectacled blonde girlfriend. Again he shows his invincibility, battling with Bond in a genuinely impressive skydive stunt in the pre-credits sequence, and again atop a cable car. His 'oh-my-god-I'm-about-to-hideously-crash-into-something-that-would-kill-an-ordinary-man' face is priceless. His slow-witted realisation that neither he nor his undersized lady friend matched Drax's criteria for his new world power is a nice twist to help Bond out of a pickle.

The film certainly has its flaws, I'm not denying that. But I do feel it is unfairly criticised because for all its faults, it still remains a fun film. I can happily watch this, where I might feel like turning off Thunderball, or Diamonds Are Forever. It also gives us one of Q's best one-liners - 'I think he's attempting re-entry, sir'.


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RE: The Bond Thread: 10 - Moonraker (1979) - 14/11/2008 10:26:32 AM   
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The Spy Who Love Me is very good but I think Moonraker was slightly over the top which is why I could not take it seriously. Moonraker isn't bad I just thought the idea of Bond going into space was unnecessary.    

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RE: The Bond Thread: 10 - Moonraker (1979) - 14/11/2008 10:38:58 AM   
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I love Moonraker.


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RE: The Bond Thread: 10 - Moonraker (1979) - 14/11/2008 1:28:43 PM   
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Moonraker demonstrates why Moore was a better Bond than Craig:

Craig's Bond in Venice: watches his girlfriend drown = downer.
Moore's Bond in Venice: rides around in a hovercraft-gondola = fun fun fun!

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RE: The Bond Thread: 10 - Moonraker (1979) - 14/11/2008 1:36:43 PM   
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it doesn't so much border on the ridiculous as jump across the border pursued by border guards

Love that line!

For me, the most memorable (but not necessarily in a good way) thing about Moonraker is Jaws - Jaws and his weird girlfriend, Jaws on the cable car. Makes me laugh, makes me cringe - perfect family viewing!

Moonraker's key fault, however, is not providing convenient 'homer' wordplay in its title!

EDIT: ah, crapdamit! I've just seen the title of the original post - good work sir!

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RE: The Bond Thread: 10 - Moonraker (1979) - 14/11/2008 1:45:39 PM   
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'Crapdamit' - love it!

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RE: The Bond Thread: 10 - Moonraker (1979) - 14/11/2008 1:50:10 PM   
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It's my swear word of choice! I have a tendency to use some very unladylike language at times, so that's my compromise - you can say it with feeling, but it doesn't really offend anyone!

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The Bond Thread: 11 - For Your Eyes Only (1981) - 14/11/2008 5:18:56 PM   
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After the excess of Moonraker, we have a return to as real as Moore is ever going to make Bond. A nice opening scene has Bond placing flowers at Tracey's grave before being whisked off to a meeting in a helicopter which is duly hijacked via remote control by a faceless Blofeld. It links the film nicely to the bigger series and sets the tone for the film. The main story deals with a sunken ship with an ATAC defence system on board (explained in true Bond style by the 'what do you know about [....], 007?' followed by a smug explanation as he rattles off details so we know what's going on) which requires secrecy in its retrieval. Unfortunately the man hired to find it is assassinated along with his wife. Fortunately he has a vengeful (hot!) daughter who assists Bond in following the trail to discover what's going on, which ultimately leads to the main villain.

For Your Eyes Only has a compact story which, while retaining elements of humour and Bond's trademark quips, is a tighter more efficient film which makes it a more enjoyable film, and a more lasting one. Bond gets some good ski action in, as well as some ice hockey. The ice-bound subplot with Bibi unfortunately serves only one purpose - it highlights Moore's ageing bond as finally we have a girl who is too young for him, despite her rather overt advances.

The finale does provide a nice tense scene as Bond attempts to climb a sheer cliff face, macgyvering his rope with shoe laces when things go pear-shaped. It also shows, as previously mentioned in a separate review, that Bond works best when he's working with like-minded people. Topol, playing an ally, provides a few expendable goons, alongside Melina (one of the rare non-double-entendre Bond girl names) who is one shit-hot aim with her cross bow.

Ultimately, the film succeeds in returning Bond to a sort of status quo after Moonraker's stratospheric excesses, allowing Bond to visit Tracey's grave, despatch an old enemy, and re-grounding the series. What would come might very well undo that hard work, but more on that later.





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RE: The Bond Thread: 11 - For Your Eyes Only (1981) - 14/11/2008 5:21:23 PM   
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This was good as well, better than the crap that Moonraker is.

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RE: The Bond Thread: 11 - For Your Eyes Only (1981) - 14/11/2008 5:25:22 PM   
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I forgot to mention the really touching scene where the countess has been run over on the beach, and as she's lying there on the beach, Bond says, 'goodbye countess'. I saw it as a reminder of how he met Tracey, on a beach, about to kill herself. And of course, Tracey was a countess, or comtesse, herself. 

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The Bond Thread: 12 - Octopussy (1983) - 14/11/2008 7:34:37 PM   
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Octopussy... Octopussy... As spoken by Louis Jourdan, it's a silken, seductive word. In any other context it sounds ridiculous. Octopussy (the film) is a strange beast, if you'll pardon the pun. It combines the real aspects of For Your Eyes Only (the inclusion of 009 is an added bonus, and gives Bond a grit in one of the final kills) with the fantastical of many others (palaces full of nubile young ladies, crocodile-shaped flotation devices). It's one of the weaker Bonds, but it still coheres. Louis Jourdan is a great villain, alternating between devilishly charming and just plain devilish. With one hand he caresses Octopussy, while with the other he reaches around the metaphorically stab her in the back. Everyone but himself is expendable. Fortunately Bond is on the scene to see what the kerfuffle is over this egg, to dress up like a clown (no, literally) and to bed some choice ladies.

I often wonder in these Bond films whether there is an application process for evil villai''s attractive ladies. 'Wanted, attractive ladies. Conscience optional. Would ideally not be won over by dashing Englishman with a tendency to quip, but not essential.' They seem to have a similar sort of uniform dress code a la the henchmen. Albeit, their's probably costs less, seeing as there's generally less material.

Some would say that Octopussy is not quite the demise of Moore's Bond, as that is to come. I disagree as I will demonstrate soon. I can't quite put my finger on where Octopussy isn't quite as successful. Maybe it's the over-egged plot (sorry, the puns are catching after this Bond over-exposure) or the bizarre locations. I do know that Q manages to get another classic quip in, as the Evil Villain's Attractive Ladies (or, EVALs as they shall now be known) ingratiate themselves as he dismounts the hot air balloon. 'Later maybe' he slyly says, the old dog! You get a glimpse that, maybe, Q was an agent in his younger years but, after an injury perhaps, moved over to Q branch. Whether Fleming sketches in his backstory more in the novels I don't know.

So, nearly at the close of the Moore films and the first in the latter half of Bond films (22 thus far). One Moore to go...(see?! Catching I tells ya.)


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RE: The Bond Thread: 12 - Octopussy (1983) - 14/11/2008 7:39:48 PM   
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Octohomey? I'm disappointed you didn't go for Homerpussy!

Okay, I'm clearly only in this for the title wordplay and puns!

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RE: The Bond Thread: 12 - Octopussy (1983) - 14/11/2008 7:49:11 PM   
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I've misnumbered somewhere along the way - Octopussy is actually #13.

Oh, and it's also the first one that doesn't have the full United Artists animated logo and music, just 'United Artists Presents...' which is kinda sad, because up to then hearing that music is, to me, a bit like hearing the Fox fanfare before Star Wars. If I watch any other UA pics, I always think it's going to go into the Bond theme, just as Star Wars fans hear the Star Wars theme right after the Fox drum roll.


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RE: The Bond Thread: 12 - Octopussy (1983) - 14/11/2008 7:56:34 PM   
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The clown bit is superb, the tensest Bond Bomb bit of all time. Genuinely has me on the edge of my seat every time. Its almost parodic having him dressed as a clown though,

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RE: The Bond Thread: 12 - Octopussy (1983) - 14/11/2008 8:10:54 PM   
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Incidentally, when I've reviewed Licence to Kill I'll be doing a similar spate of 'top 5's, to symbolise the 6 year gap until GoldenEye...

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RE: The Bond Thread: 12 - Octopussy (1983) - 14/11/2008 8:17:17 PM   
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OH MY GOD!

I never realised that Jenny Flex in A View To A Kill was Elsa Schneider in Last Crusade!! How could I not spot this connection when I've seen them both so many times?!?!?!?!

Guess what I'm watching at the moment...


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RE: The Bond Thread: 12 - Octopussy (1983) - 14/11/2008 8:19:59 PM   
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Incidentally, when I've reviewed Licence to Kill I'll be doing a similar spate of 'top 5's, to symbolise the 6 year gap until GoldenEye...


Aw I thought our thread would have some individulaity!



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OH MY GOD!

I never realised that Jenny Flex in A View To A Kill was Elsa Schneider in Last Crusade!! How could I not spot this connection when I've seen them both so many times?!?!?!?!

Guess what I'm watching at the moment...



[sardonic]Children in Need?[/sardonic]

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RE: The Bond Thread: 12 - Octopussy (1983) - 14/11/2008 8:29:33 PM   
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OH MY GOD!

I never realised that Jenny Flex in A View To A Kill was Elsa Schneider in Last Crusade!! How could I not spot this connection when I've seen them both so many times?!?!?!?!

Guess what I'm watching at the moment...



Porn?

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RE: The Bond Thread: 12 - Octopussy (1983) - 14/11/2008 8:31:25 PM   
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Guess what I'm watching at the moment...



The Watchmen?

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RE: The Bond Thread: 12 - Octopussy (1983) - 14/11/2008 8:40:58 PM   
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Oh what wit is abroad on the Empire boards tonight.

You're all wrong.

I'm watching the neighbours. I think one of them might have murdered his wife.


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RE: The Bond Thread: 12 - Octopussy (1983) - 14/11/2008 8:48:01 PM   
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Or possibly this?



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RE: The Bond Thread: 12 - Octopussy (1983) - 14/11/2008 9:28:37 PM   
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Stacy Sutton just said 'shit'! I think that's the first swearword in a Bond film!

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RE: The Bond Thread: 12 - Octopussy (1983) - 14/11/2008 9:43:56 PM   
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I liked For Your Eyes Only but again I think Octopussy is just slightly over the top and the story is not that great either.


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RE: The Bond Thread: 12 - Octopussy (1983) - 14/11/2008 11:35:34 PM   
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I saw Octopussy quite recently myself, and I wasn't dissapointed this time either. It's one of my absolute favorite, with a nice return of Maud Adams. 

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