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RE: The Bond Thread - #07: Diamonds Are Forever (1971) - 9/11/2008 1:13:59 AM   
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Very good. 

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RE: The Bond Thread - #07: Diamonds Are Forever (1971) - 9/11/2008 1:18:20 AM   
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Very good. 


Should have been your review.

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RE: The Bond Thread - #07: Diamonds Are Forever (1971) - 9/11/2008 8:25:38 AM   
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Very good. 


Should have been your review.


When you (eventually!) get to OHMSS I expect the same brevity, then!


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RE: The Bond Thread - #07: Diamonds Are Forever (1971) - 9/11/2008 8:40:40 AM   
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Diamonds is my 8th (well, maybe 9th now) favourite Bond film.

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RE: The Bond Thread - #07: Diamonds Are Forever (1971) - 9/11/2008 8:48:07 AM   
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Interesting - what is it that grabs you about it?

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RE: The Bond Thread - #08: Live And Let Die (1973) - 9/11/2008 1:28:38 PM   
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There have been accusations levelled at Licence To Kill and Casino Royale that they are little more than action films typical of the era in which they were made, rather than 'true Bond films'. Of course, I would question exactly what a 'true Bond film' is, but I don't see this as a valid criticism. On the surface there is truth in the accusation, yes - Casino Royale bears similar hallmarks to other action films made recently, and Licence To Kill is very '80s' in its execution (no pun intended). But my lack of credence in the remark as a criticism is that, to a degree, the same is true of almost all the Bond films. From Russia With Love is very much a 60s thriller; elements of the 60s are still very much in evidence in On Her Majesty's Secret Service. And Live And Let Die is as 70s as they come: If You Only Live Twice was 'Bond goes Oriental', then Live And Let Die is 'Bond gets funky'.

It is also notably Sir Roger Moore's debut in the role: there is no incremental reveal - this is very much a new Bond for a new decade (we'll ignore the fact that Diamonds Are Forever was made in '71). Welcome to quip city ('sheer magnetism'). It is also one of three Bond films I have seen more than any other thanks to a quirk of fate meaning it was the only film I had to watch for a period of a few weeks when I was about 9 or so (the other two are A View To A Kill and The Living Daylights; more on those later). As such certain quotes bring big smiles. The cab-driver's intonation as he says 'Right on brother........ he's headin' on i-in!' I remember pitch perfect. And Bond's comment about mongooses (mongeese?) is priceless.

Certainly Moore's Bond brings an element of lightheartedness to proceedings (as much as it can when dealing with voodoo occult goings-on) but after the downbeat ending of On Her Majesty's Secret Service and the relative disaster of Diamonds Are Forever, it's what the series needed. It also has the most attractive Bond girl in the shapely form of Jane Seymour's Solitaire, the virginal (not for long) tarot card reader for Yaphet Kotto's Kananga. (Aside: having seen Jane Seymour cameo in the latest episode of My Name Is Earl, it was slightly bizarre watching her some 35 years younger.)

This is one of my more favoured Bond films - the build up of the murdered contacts, the interesting characters, the new Bond, the gadgets, all make this a more memorably entry to the canon. And I never even mentioned McCartney's awesome title theme. Bond reflects the films of the time they was made - this should be celebrated, not used as a mark of criticism.


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RE: The Bond Thread - #08: Live And Let Die (1973) - 9/11/2008 1:55:56 PM   
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I've got a soft spot for Live and Let Die. It's certainly flawed, and it's very silly, but it's suprisingly fun, and Moore has yet to become quite as smug as he was in later films. There are elements which ruin it, but it's a nice experience, certainly head-and-shoulders above the likes of The Man with The Golden Gun, Octopussy, A View to a Kill and Moonraker, all of which are terrible.

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RE: The Bond Thread - #08: Live And Let Die (1973) - 9/11/2008 2:12:35 PM   
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Kananga turning into an inflatable hot air balloon is probably the most ridiculous thing iv ever seen in a Bond movie(yes even more ridiculous and fake looking than 007 ice surfing).

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RE: The Bond Thread - #08: Live And Let Die (1973) - 9/11/2008 2:28:22 PM   
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It is ridiculous, yeah, but hey - it's Bond.

Would you say it's more, or less, ridiculous than, say, a blonde Bond?


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RE: The Bond Thread - #08: Live And Let Die (1973) - 9/11/2008 2:45:38 PM   
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For the exception of the theme, I completely forgot this. It's very forgettable, I can still remember parts of all the Bond films(except the Dalton ones, I haven't seen them), but this nothing. OHMSS is far superior.

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RE: The Bond Thread - #08: Live And Let Die (1973) - 9/11/2008 2:49:11 PM   
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You've never seen the Dalton Bonds?!?! Dear Lord you're missing one of the best with Licence To Kill. Plus a young Benicio Del Toro is in it! 

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RE: The Bond Thread - #08: Live And Let Die (1973) - 9/11/2008 2:57:54 PM   
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Live And Let Die has always been one of my favourites. It's silly, ridiculous, sure. But as Homer so nicely put - it's Bond. An excellent introduction to the Moore era, with one of the best theme songs from the entire series. Paul McCartney and his wings rocks!

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RE: The Bond Thread - #08: Live And Let Die (1973) - 9/11/2008 3:23:02 PM   
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Live and Let die is fantastic. Though the boat chase goes on for about 5,000 years. It also has the best Felix.

Don't really wanna get into the 'Them films aint Bondian enough' debate. Yet.

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RE: The Bond Thread - #08: Live And Let Die (1973) - 9/11/2008 3:25:05 PM   
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You've never seen the Dalton Bonds?!?! Dear Lord you're missing one of the best with Licence To Kill. Plus a young Benicio Del Toro is in it! 


I know. I think I'll watch a day before Quantum of Solace.

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RE: The Bond Thread - #08: Live And Let Die (1973) - 9/11/2008 3:25:51 PM   
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Kananga turning into an inflatable hot air balloon is probably the most ridiculous thing iv ever seen in a Bond movie(yes even more ridiculous and fake looking than 007 ice surfing).


He always did have an inflated opinion of himself.

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RE: The Bond Thread - #08: Live And Let Die (1973) - 9/11/2008 3:27:41 PM   
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Kananga turning into an inflatable hot air balloon is probably the most ridiculous thing iv ever seen in a Bond movie(yes even more ridiculous and fake looking than 007 ice surfing).


He always did have an inflated opinion of himself.





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RE: The Bond Thread - #08: Live And Let Die (1973) - 9/11/2008 7:47:51 PM   
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It also has the best Felix.



You said it, David Hedison is perfect in the role. I rather liked Jack Lord (Dr. No) as well though.

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RE: The Bond Thread - #08: Live And Let Die (1973) - 9/11/2008 7:51:13 PM   
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It also has the best Felix.



You said it, David Hedison is perfect in the role. I rather liked Jack Lord (Dr. No) as well though.


Yeah but I can't help but shout "Book 'em Dano!" at regular intervals at the TV.

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RE: The Bond Thread - #08: Live And Let Die (1973) - 9/11/2008 9:17:45 PM   
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Ahh, Kananga... My first love.

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RE: The Bond Thread - #07: Diamonds Are Forever (1971) - 9/11/2008 11:37:03 PM   
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Interesting - what is it that grabs you about it?


Not sure really. It's the most light-hearted of the Connery fims, without ever being as mundane of some of the Moore ones. Kidd and Wynt are more intersting than most Bond bad guys. Plus, it has La Bombe Surprise


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RE: The Bond Thread - #07: Diamonds Are Forever (1971) - 10/11/2008 10:23:54 AM   
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Still, it's nowhere as great as OHMSS.

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The Bond Thread - #08: The Man With The Golden Gun (1974) - 10/11/2008 11:02:28 AM   
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I'm possibly in a fairly rare position that I kinda like all the Bond films to one degree or another. Connery made the Best Bond, Lazenby was in one of the best Bond films, Dalton made the series gritty for a time, Brosnan brought some of the steeliness (no pun intended) of Connery with the wit of Moore, and Craig has revitalised the series. But Moore is often the most denigrated of Bonds - seen as making the series too frothy and camp and turning the entire franchise into a joke. I disagree, although I suspect this is largely due to a childhood raised on the Moore Bonds. I have rose-tinted spectacles to appreciate the Moore films through, which I wear to this day. That being said, there are several excellent Moore films even without rose-tinted specs. The Man With The Golden Gun isn't one of them, but I still enjoy it hugely.

For a start, it has Christopher Lee in it! A relative of Ian Fleming, Lee is the natural Bond villain and as Francisco Scaramanga has a nice balance between nonsensical villainous machinations and a genuine threat to Bond; here is an assassin (who charges a million a shot) who is possibly Bond's equal, who sees himself as a self-styled gentleman, and lives on an archipelago with a security man and a midget. It also stars Maud Adams as Andrea Anders, the only two-time Bond girl (she also stars as the titular Octopussy) and Britt Ekland as the most ineffectual agent (although 'Mrs Bond' in Live And Let Die might rival her in ineffectuality).

To be honest, I think the film is often unfairly maligned. Certainly it's not the most tightly plotted film, but it still has plenty of enjoyability with the various stand offs, especially when Scaramanga is on the scene. It's also nice to see someone else getting a decent gadget - a pen/lighter combo turning into a gun is genius. Let's hope modern day terrorists don't copy the idea! Nick Nack is pure Bond silliness, and his eventual demise inside a suitcase is, ahem, fitting.

Something that never ceases to amuse me is the convenience of evil henchmen dressing uniformly. I wonder at the evil geniuses choosing a colour combination that works (red jumpsuit white belt, red shirt blue trousers, orange jumpsuits, depending on the film and villain of choice). It does make it nice and easy for the good guys to know who the bad guys are come the final big Pinewood-set-bound finale.

The Man With The Golden Gun is one I file under 'guilty pleasure'. It's still very much enjoyable, and I love it, but I also recognise its weaknesses. I just choose to ignore them.


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RE: The Bond Thread - #08: The Man With The Golden Gun ... - 10/11/2008 12:11:48 PM   
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Not my fave, though it does have the lovely Maud Adams.

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RE: The Bond Thread - #08: The Man With The Golden Gun ... - 11/11/2008 8:00:17 AM   
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Live & Let Die and The Man With The Golden Gun are, respectively, my 5th and 7th favourite Bond films, easily the best from the Moore era.



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RE: The Bond Thread - #08: The Man With The Golden Gun ... - 11/11/2008 8:04:48 AM   
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I thought Live And Let Die was average myself but I like The Man With The Golden Gun. 

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RE: The Bond Thread - #08: The Man With The Golden Gun ... - 12/11/2008 11:35:28 AM   
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The Man With The Golden Gun has one of the best stunts of all the Bond films:


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RE: The Bond Thread - #08: The Man With The Golden Gun ... - 12/11/2008 11:45:02 AM   
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It's kind of ruined by the sound effect that accompanies it.

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RE: The Bond Thread - #08: The Man With The Golden Gun ... - 12/11/2008 3:40:52 PM   
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I thought that - it trivialised an immense stunt achievement that is widely acknowledged as nigh on impossible. Gotta love JW tho. 'Billy bob'll get em! That's mah billy bob!"

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RE: The Bond Thread - #08: Live And Let Die (1973) - 12/11/2008 6:20:18 PM   
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You've never seen the Dalton Bonds?!?! Dear Lord you're missing one of the best with Licence To Kill. Plus a young Benicio Del Toro is in it! 


I agree 100%, very underrated film in the Bond series, a nice change of pace after the sillier Moore era. Looking forward to your review of it.

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The Bond Thread - #09: The Spy Who Loved Me (1977) - 12/11/2008 7:08:04 PM   
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One of the most coherent Bond films, The Spy Who Loved Me is possibly my favourite of the Moore era Bonds. The opening double twist (it's not Bond! He's not the spy in question!) culminates with a great ski chase which itself ends with the daftest - and most awesome - ski jump ever. The Union Flag parachute is genius - unsubtle and not at all secretive - but genius. That silence as he falls, followed by the billowing parachute, and the lead into the credit music is great. And the theme tune is brilliant (I like quite a lot of them) too. Rather than ignore the title of the film altogether, or have the title of the film as the title of the song, here we have subtle (not often a word associated with Moore Bonds) as the title, see, is part of the song, but, like, not the title itself. Clever.

From this opening Bond does some proper globe-trotting, from Austria to Egypt to some place in the middle of the sea that submerges (classic villain's lair). We meet XXX (Barbara Bach) a Russian agent with whom Bond is forced to work and whose lover Bond inadvertently shot during the opening ski chase. It adds a frisson of tension to the already tense relationship when XXX, or Major Amasova, discovers Bond was her lover's killer. There is also a nice nod to OHMSS when Amasova reels off facts about Bond's life, including his marriage. A cloud comes over Moore's face and we see a slight darkness about him that is refreshingly contrasting to the usual bubble. It's also nice to see Q referred to by name for once as well.

In terms of nemeses, we have one evil-lair-crazy-suit-wearing-eye-patch-wearing-flood-the-world classic Bond villain in Karl Stromberg (Curd Jurgens), and one invincible-unstoppable-no-really-he-won't-f***ing-die villain in Richard Kiel's Jaws. An iconic villain, he would return for comedy value in Moonraker. The Spy Who Loved Me is one of the funnest Bonds, eminently watchable, and a cracking adventure to boot. It is also home to possibly the greatest Bond one-liner with the final line of the film. Makes one proud to be British.


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