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RE: Bond 23 - QOS spoilers aplenty! - 12/10/2009 3:34:23 PM   
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I'd like to see that too, Somerset.

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RE: Bond 23 - QOS spoilers aplenty! - 15/10/2009 10:16:30 AM   
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think dench's m has been real asset to the series, bringing interesting dynamic to m's relationship with 007.
like that she is now dealing with duplicity of western governments who seem unconcerned by threat from a organisation like quantum.
if her m is leave it should b because a thoughless p.m or minister removes her from her post.

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RE: Bond 23 - QOS spoilers aplenty! - 15/10/2009 10:40:29 AM   
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What about a slimy David Milliband type for M who turns out to be up to the job despite his reputation - David Tennant or something like that.

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RE: Bond 23 - QOS spoilers aplenty! - 15/10/2009 4:19:20 PM   
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What about a slimy David Milliband type for M who turns out to be up to the job despite his reputation - David Tennant or something like that.


Good idea - a new M that Bond really dislikes, don't think Tennant is the man for it as he's outwardly maybe a wee bit young to believably have the experience to be head of MI6.

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RE: Bond 23 - QOS spoilers aplenty! - 15/10/2009 4:31:44 PM   
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His youth would make Bond hate him more, a slimy politician whose daddy opened doors for him.

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RE: Bond 23 - QOS spoilers aplenty! - 11/11/2009 6:32:48 PM   
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PROPERTY        RISICO
  OF                             
A 7LADY                   


Thinking about it, Property Of A Lady would have been a more fitting title for the last film. It even would have tied in with the plot (Vesper's necklace).

Anyway after Bond 23 they should have another creative shake-up, bid goodbye to Purvis & Wade and Judi Dench as well.



It's a perfect title already, moreso if the the plan is

a) To continue with Quantum as the big bad

b) To set up Q branch as a department specifically tasked with countering Quantum's schemes (with only those who need to know knowing what Q really stands for) and consequently

c) Ensuring the Bond stories move from the more 'realistic' of the previous two into the 'mythical' where it's Bond against a series of Megalomaniacs (all faces of Quantum) in a world removed from all other espionage related activity

It would then be an amazingly well thought out title, because Quantum would have almost broken Bond's soul with the whole Vesper thing, and his QOS would be to keep going after them, supported by Q(uantum) Branch..


For all the criticism of QOS, almost none of which I agree with (because I see it as a film about Bond's grieving and angry state of mind, never intended as a 'romp'), the film has key lines such as 'I told you what you wanted to know about Quantum' that to me make it absolutely clear the next film will be the more fully fledged Bond movie so many have bitched QOS wasn't, because they've been 'grassed on' by Mr Green, and there is no need for any more sneaking around.

IMO CR and QOS showcased the extremes of Bond's character. The lover and the cold blooded murderer his job requires him to be. A perfect set up for a character who is supposed to be able to turn on the charm but at any given moment, turn it off and kill someone. CR gave Bond a light at the end of the tunnel and a potential escape from the monster within him in the form of Vesper. He might have been happy. And that was taken away. QOS saw the monster unleashed, and burn itself out to the extent Bond can be as balanced as he's ever going to get. That's what I see as the 'game plan'for those two films, to show Bond at his most vulnerable, and most merciless.

Like it or not, if that was the scheme, they pulled it off.

And the next Bond Film, should, I reckon, give the die hards more of what they miss about Bond, but not too much too soon. Because that's what almost killed the franchise off: too much of the formula having to be slavishly ticked off every time.

Blah blah blah, etc



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RE: Bond 23 - QOS spoilers aplenty! - 12/11/2009 12:53:23 PM   
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latest news-

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RE: Bond 23 - QOS spoilers aplenty! - 12/11/2009 12:56:25 PM   
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bond took on SPECTRE in 1st 2 movies then took a break for GF then took them on again in TB.
bond taking on a different kind of baddie before resuming battle with quantum could work.

sometimes u just want a bit of fun from a bond film.
fleming treated novels as escapist fun too.

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RE: Bond 23 - QOS spoilers aplenty! - 12/11/2009 1:13:51 PM   
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That's kind of what I meant by the bit about taking the story from the 'realistic' to the 'Mythical'.

It obviously doesn't really matter if he takes on Quantum or not next time out, but I feel it would be cool, after they've been referred to as an unnamed organisation in CR, presented as a shadowy presence with "...people everywhere" in QOS, to have the iconic Bond Archetype facing one of Quantum's 'Faces' on equal terms, now the making/breaking/surviving the fall building blocks of Bond's character have been dealt with.

Ie a kind of Quantum's aware of him now , and he knows about them' so it really would be a one 'maverick' against one 'megalomaniac' story opportunity with the 'machinery' of the film around them being the context allowing this first Craig mano a mano, against an opponent more ready for him than Green. I'm pretty sure that was the reason Green wasn't a challenge: the film didn't yet need Bond to face a more worthy opponent, because he first had to overcome his own destructiveness and emerge out the other side...

I have a liking for continuity, so my preferred villain for Bond 23 would be Mr White, who appeared briefly in CR, was pretty much humiliated by Bond in QOS (regardless of his escape) and would have a personal stake in opposing Bond (perhaps expecting Vesper to be a psychological weak link for Bond would be his error that allows Bond to take him and whoever else he surrounds hinself with. Then the templates for both how the Hero and Villain archetypes develop would have been explored.

The actual megalomaniac doesn't need to be a physical match for Bond, all he needs is greater resources then Bond (intellectual/financial) to provide opposition to Bond's character: technically he should not be able to get to these guys, but his tenacity and refusal to quit sees him through (a core character trait brilliantly conveyed purely visually in the CR 'free running' scene where Bond is pursuing a far superior athlete, but simply will not quit and finds/improvises ways to compensate for his althletic inferiority in relation to his prey)

After a first mano a megalomaniac main plot, then there'd be a more fully escapist 'romp' or two as a natural progression from the groundwork done thus far, before Craig bows out in a storyline that (perhaps) has the character feeling unnapreciated for all his hard work at the end and walking out on the secret service. The film after that, complete with new Bond, can either explain what brings Bond back or not bother with an explanantion.


Why have Craig exit this way?

Firstly, Craig's introduction as Bond has so far featured the development of his portrayal of Bond over time, so also incorporating him deciding to walk into the ending of his last film incorporates that sense of 'change taking place' into the end of his era, and literally clears the way for the next Bond.

Secondly, Casino Royale incorporated what appeared to be a bit of humour responding to the fuss about Craig's casting:

I knew it was a mistake to promote you/Well I hear OOs have a short life expectancy, so your mistake will be short lived

So after will what probably be a continually successful run, for anybody who never takes to Craig, the exit can be a riposte to those who never appreciated him.

Before this edit I referred to a last film including something bold, the above isn't what I meant, will keep that on ice, probably for one of my own pieces.

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RE: Bond 23 - 15/11/2009 4:53:16 PM   
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If it is going to turn out like Quantum of Solace, then i'm not especially looking forward to this...

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RE: Bond 23 - 15/11/2009 9:10:50 PM   
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I'd say bring back Q and Moneypenny, but not have Q be strictly comic relief, he could be someone who's super smart, crazy and drives Bond nuts say someone like Paddy Considine. I like Judy Dench, but as M she's getting a little stale. I think a male M would be the way to go. I just hope they don't make Bond so pissed off this time, he was short on innuendo last time and give him a villain that matches his physical prowess too, or bigger ala Jaws type.

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RE: Bond 23 - 15/11/2009 10:07:36 PM   
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If it is going to turn out like Quantum of Solace, then i'm not especially looking forward to this...


It's unlikely to be like QOS, Bond's had his 'grief and rage' phase. I'd expect more humour like the mistaken for a valet/seting off the car alarms as a distraction' from CR. But as with that, I'd expect any humour to be directly tied into then moving on with the info gathering, rather than the 'pigeon does a double take' ramdom gag type stuff.

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RE: Bond 23 - 17/12/2009 9:43:06 AM   
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It is wrong that after hearing the strings heavy intro of his 'Cry Me A River' cover, I think Michael Buble would do an awesome Bond theme.

I care not that he is the darling of housewives everywhere.


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RE: Bond 23 - 17/12/2009 5:35:36 PM   
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RE: Bond 23 - QOS spoilers aplenty! - 21/12/2009 12:16:49 PM   
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positively shocking!-

http://commanderbond.net/8886/a-shocking-story-for-bond-23.html


could it mean death for m after all?

shame, was hoping for a bit of romp not another angstfest like QOS.

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RE: Bond 23 - QOS spoilers aplenty! - 24/12/2009 9:08:34 PM   
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It's a perfect title already, moreso if the the plan is

a) To continue with Quantum as the big bad

b) To set up Q branch as a department specifically tasked with countering Quantum's schemes (with only those who need to know knowing what Q really stands for) and consequently

c) Ensuring the Bond stories move from the more 'realistic' of the previous two into the 'mythical' where it's Bond against a series of Megalomaniacs (all faces of Quantum) in a world removed from all other espionage related activity

It would then be an amazingly well thought out title, because Quantum would have almost broken Bond's soul with the whole Vesper thing, and his QOS would be to keep going after them, supported by Q(uantum) Branch..


For all the criticism of QOS, almost none of which I agree with (because I see it as a film about Bond's grieving and angry state of mind, never intended as a 'romp'), the film has key lines such as 'I told you what you wanted to know about Quantum' that to me make it absolutely clear the next film will be the more fully fledged Bond movie so many have bitched QOS wasn't, because they've been 'grassed on' by Mr Green, and there is no need for any more sneaking around.

IMO CR and QOS showcased the extremes of Bond's character. The lover and the cold blooded murderer his job requires him to be. A perfect set up for a character who is supposed to be able to turn on the charm but at any given moment, turn it off and kill someone. CR gave Bond a light at the end of the tunnel and a potential escape from the monster within him in the form of Vesper. He might have been happy. And that was taken away. QOS saw the monster unleashed, and burn itself out to the extent Bond can be as balanced as he's ever going to get. That's what I see as the 'game plan'for those two films, to show Bond at his most vulnerable, and most merciless.

Like it or not, if that was the scheme, they pulled it off.

And the next Bond Film, should, I reckon, give the die hards more of what they miss about Bond, but not too much too soon. Because that's what almost killed the franchise off: too much of the formula having to be slavishly ticked off every time.

Blah blah blah, etc


A superb post there monsieur. I cannot fathom why various individuals do not like Quantum of Solace. In my view it's a perfect companion piece to Casino Royale. Whilst the first film is more deliberate and languorous in its conveyance of the story. It provides the necessary framework for the second film  to catapult the viewer in to a story told with greater dynamism and alacrity. Which is why I find the second film a more enjoyable experience. There's no need to ponder and delineate every character flaw or tragic encounter. It is there already once the film begins. I'm quite impressed with how you've interpreted the second film Jobloffski; where the second film is not a separate strand of the 007 'universe' but part of the same one that begun in Casino Royale. Moreover, if the second film had been a near facsimile of the first film (a facile temptation given its popularity and success) then many would have seen this as sterlile and repetitious. I do feel that Jobloffski has the right instinct when he said we will most likely see a more balanced and mature James Bond in future. Certainly after the lessons he learnt in the second film. Whilst we know that Daniel Craig's James Bond does indeed have charm; hitherto he's been far more content to rely more on brute force. Now that he's learned the value of apprehending a target rather than coldly disposing of them. We may see a future James Bond who will apply his charm more. Which means more scenes involving James Bond being debonair and adroit in infiltrating social gatherings and becoming a more rounded '00' agent. Not a 'charmless thug' as some believed he was in both films.

A brief sidenote. Jobloffski I quite liked the level of detail in your posts on the Dark Knight thread. Whilst I do not agree with some of your ideas. At least you were able to expand on them and give a clear explanation of what you want to see in future Batman films.

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RE: Bond 23 - QOS spoilers aplenty! - 28/12/2009 3:39:17 PM   
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The next Bond film should have a skiing scene. I want to see Daniel Craig ski and pout. That'd be hilarious!

I have no problems with Casino Royale and Quantum of Solace although the latter could have done with being a bit more fun. I look forward to the next instalment.

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RE: Bond 23 - QOS spoilers aplenty! - 29/12/2009 4:31:40 PM   
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If CR and QoS were setting up Bond himself and his relationship with M, then Bond 23 should start to set in stone a lot of the aspects of his universe, namely Q and Moneypenny. I don't know if I want an exact replication of what has gone before in his relationship with them, but setting up the intricacies within them would be neat, seeing how the flirtation with Moneypenny started and how Q came to develop a love/hate thing with Bond. Come on, he may break all his gadgets, but you know Q deep down cares for the man. Personally I loved CR and QoS, and I think seeing the likes of Q and Moneypenny filtered through the way the Bond movies are now would be interesting.  I know a lot seemed to have issues with QoS, saying it wasn't Bond, it was more like Bourne, but if they were trying to do the Bourne thing, which it seemed like they were, then they did it quite well, and besides, all those that made those complaints, saying they wanted the series to go back to they way they were before were mostly the same critics who hated the final Pierce Brosnan film Die Another Day for not tinkering with the formula enough.

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RE: Bond 23 - QOS spoilers aplenty! - 31/12/2009 6:15:04 PM   
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The next Bond film should have a skiing scene. I want to see Daniel Craig ski and pout. That'd be hilarious!




Fuck me, he'd look like Zoolander!

In fact, what you suggest should be a cameo in Z2, should it ever happen...

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RE: Bond 23 - QOS spoilers aplenty! - 31/12/2009 10:08:56 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Edward Nygma

The next Bond film should have a skiing scene. I want to see Daniel Craig ski and pout. That'd be hilarious!




Fuck me, he'd look like Zoolander!

In fact, what you suggest should be a cameo in Z2, should it ever happen...


Watching Casino Royale,i thought he already did when he had shades on


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RE: Bond 23 - QOS spoilers aplenty! - 1/1/2010 3:28:43 AM   
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Watching Casino Royale,i thought he already did when he had shades on


I think we all know the most camp moment in Casino Royale (which always makes me laugh). It's the scene when 007 rises out of the sea, in his skimpy blue 'trunks' (I know they're tight) with a pout on his face that's fit for a Jean-Paul Gaultier advert. Then of course we have the scene where the dark-haired lady is riding a horse and her bosom is bouncing so merrily. There's an 'admiring' boy chasing her, his face is priceless.

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RE: Bond 23 - QOS spoilers aplenty! - 4/1/2010 11:49:30 AM   
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status of m.g.m affects 'bond 23' start-

http://commanderbond.net/9089/bond-23-pre-production-put-on-hold.html

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RE: Bond 23 - QOS spoilers aplenty! - 6/1/2010 11:29:45 AM   
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If its going to be like QOS or Casino Royale then I'm there, if it's anything like the Brosnan Bonds I'd rather stick needles in my eyes.

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RE: Bond 23 - QOS spoilers aplenty! - 6/1/2010 12:01:50 PM   
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now sam mendes is up for directing -

http://www.variety.com/article/VR1118013365.html?categoryId=13&cs=1

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RE: Bond 23 - QOS spoilers aplenty! - 6/1/2010 1:45:54 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Emyr Thy King

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Watching Casino Royale,i thought he already did when he had shades on


I think we all know the most camp moment in Casino Royale (which always makes me laugh). It's the scene when 007 rises out of the sea, in his skimpy blue 'trunks' (I know they're tight) with a pout on his face that's fit for a Jean-Paul Gaultier advert. Then of course we have the scene where the dark-haired lady is riding a horse and her bosom is bouncing so merrily. There's an 'admiring' boy chasing her, his face is priceless.



My understanding of the sequence is the 'admiring boy' represents the slavering male in the audience ogling the pretty bird, who'll never get her, because her eye is only going to get caught by Bond (she actually ogles him emerging from the sea). Yes, the trunks are camp, but this part of the film runs the two elements together to slightly take the piss out of the stereotypical bond fan, and in that moment of the film we are being shown Bond as an object of desire for women, rather than just exploiting women as flesh for the casual perv. The little boys in the audience are shown the bosoms and the payoff gives them the finger, by having the lady with the bosoms checking out the iconic male the little boys will never, ever, be.

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RE: Bond 23 - QOS spoilers aplenty! - 7/1/2010 12:35:35 PM   
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looking forward to a gunbarell/title sequence in 3D in a bond film soon.

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RE: Bond 23 - 8/1/2010 8:09:08 AM   
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I am happy with Sam Mendes directing the next Bond film - I think that he will bring something new to the 23rd in the series, especially after the slightly dissapointing Quantum of Solace. It's just another way of keeping Bond fresh after all these years and, after Casino Royale especially, I believe that they have done that very well without being too reminiscent of the Bourne trilogy. If it happens, good luck to Sam Mendes! - I'm sure he'll make this a cracker!

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RE: Bond 23 - 8/1/2010 11:07:13 AM   
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I am happy with Sam Mendes directing the next Bond film - I think that he will bring something new to the 23rd in the series, especially after the slightly dissapointing Quantum of Solace. It's just another way of keeping Bond fresh after all these years and, after Casino Royale especially, I believe that they have done that very well without being too reminiscent of the Bourne trilogy. If it happens, good luck to Sam Mendes! - I'm sure he'll make this a cracker!



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RE: Bond 23 - 11/1/2010 8:24:05 PM   
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Daniel Craig + Sam Mendes

and my own serving suggestion for the next foe from Quantum-

Idris Elba-
suave, great character actor and both mentally and physically imposing/threatening.

Would love to see him and Craig facing off... with Mendes pulling the strings.

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RE: Bond 23 - 11/1/2010 8:44:56 PM   
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Sam Mendes!?! Christ on a bike!
Bond, you are dead to me now.
You served your country well, but time to Rest In Peace.


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