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RE: Bond 23 - QOS spoilers aplenty! - 14/2/2012 11:26:42 AM   
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Anyone else see Judi Dench on Graham Norton and think she does look a it too old t be playing head of MI6. Wouldn't be surprised if this did turn out to be her last outing


I think it will.



the dame looked just fine to me and will look her most regal with deakins doing camerawork.

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RE: Bond 23 - QOS spoilers aplenty! - 14/2/2012 11:36:50 AM   
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Everything looks perfect for this film.....which is why I am hoping that it still remains strictly a Bond film. Nothing like that pretentious silent sequence in QoS. This is Bond. We want guns, girls, cars, gadgets (perhaps), style, drink and a decent badguy/henchman assortment across glamorous locations.

Another Casino Royale or Goldeneye would be great if possible :)

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RE: Bond 23 - QOS spoilers aplenty! - 14/2/2012 11:40:35 AM   
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I'd like a bit of humour. Nothing punnerific, just an occasional light touch would be very welcome.

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RE: Bond 23 - QOS spoilers aplenty! - 14/2/2012 11:42:39 AM   
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Everything looks perfect for this film.....which is why I am hoping that it still remains strictly a Bond film. Nothing like that pretentious silent sequence in QoS.


I loved that scene. It didn't need any dialogue.




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RE: Bond 23 - QOS spoilers aplenty! - 14/2/2012 12:37:01 PM   
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Everything looks perfect for this film.....which is why I am hoping that it still remains strictly a Bond film. Nothing like that pretentious silent sequence in QoS.


I loved that scene. It didn't need any dialogue.



I thought it was the best scene in the whole film

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RE: Bond 23 - QOS spoilers aplenty! - 14/2/2012 12:41:31 PM   
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Really? In another film perhaps I might agree, but that felt distinctly un-Bondy to me. in fairness that whole movie was a mess.



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RE: Bond 23 - QOS spoilers aplenty! - 14/2/2012 12:45:41 PM   
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I think that's why though, it was significantly different to anything we have seen in a Bond film before.
Without it that would have been a rather boring chase through an opera house which could have been in any of the films

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RE: Bond 23 - QOS spoilers aplenty! - 14/2/2012 1:08:27 PM   
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i want a return to the classic bond/villian dynamic-happenstance/coincidence/enemy action.

bond did not get enough face time with greene to play the old mind games before the big fight at the end.

and a decent henchman who we get to see kill the obligatory sacrifical lamb.

'as long as the cuffs and collars match!'


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RE: Bond 23 - QOS spoilers aplenty! - 14/2/2012 1:33:57 PM   
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Anyone else see Judi Dench on Graham Norton and think she does look a it too old t be playing head of MI6. Wouldn't be surprised if this did turn out to be her last outing


I think it will.




007's one true love returns-

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/showbiz/bizarre/article4124806.ece

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Ace, the DB5 is back, lets hope the ejector seat gets used.

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RE: Bond 23 - QOS spoilers aplenty! - 14/2/2012 1:51:44 PM   
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i want a return to the classic bond/villian dynamic-happenstance/coincidence/enemy action.

bond did not get enough face time with greene to play the old mind games before the big fight at the end.

and a decent henchman who we get to see kill the obligatory sacrifical lamb.




Ah, the stuff we've seen before in 20+ films... Um. No.

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RE: Bond 23 - QOS spoilers aplenty! - 14/2/2012 1:53:42 PM   
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That's the big debate isn't it? Update the franchise and drop the ridiculous aspects in favour of gritty realism OR go back to the roots of Bond: over the top bad guys, gadgets, amazing locations and stunning stunts/set pieces.

I am in favour of the latter as you other wise you end up with a Bourne lite film that will never be as good.

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RE: Bond 23 - QOS spoilers aplenty! - 14/2/2012 1:56:56 PM   
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That's the big debate isn't it? Update the franchise and drop the ridiculous aspects in favour of gritty realism OR go back to the roots of Bond: over the top bad guys, gadgets, amazing locations and stunning stunts/set pieces.

I am in favour of the latter as you other wise you end up with a Bourne lite film that will never be as good.



You can walk the line between the two without people comparing it to Bourne. Casino Royale did it just fine.

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RE: Bond 23 - QOS spoilers aplenty! - 14/2/2012 2:19:01 PM   
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That's the big debate isn't it? Update the franchise and drop the ridiculous aspects in favour of gritty realism OR go back to the roots of Bond: over the top bad guys, gadgets, amazing locations and stunning stunts/set pieces.

I am in favour of the latter as you other wise you end up with a Bourne lite film that will never be as good.



You can walk the line between the two without people comparing it to Bourne. Casino Royale did it just fine.


I'd argue CR was far more Bourne than Bond: but yes it was a great film. Needs more gadgets and quips though...even if Craig might struggle with the latter.

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RE: Bond 23 - QOS spoilers aplenty! - 14/2/2012 4:17:56 PM   
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Anyone else see Judi Dench on Graham Norton and think she does look a it too old t be playing head of MI6. Wouldn't be surprised if this did turn out to be her last outing


I think it will.



the dame looked just fine to me and will look her most regal with deakins doing camerawork.

007's one true love returns-

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/showbiz/bizarre/article4124806.ece

'i've had a few optional extras installed.'



I wonder how it is that Bond comes to use this car. 007 obtained it from a known terrorist - over seas in a card game - while he was on assignment for the British government. Does the service technically own it? Do they let Bond use it as his personal car when in England? Is the title in his name, was the car deeded to him as a bonus for a job well done? Inquiring minds want to know!

As for Dench......... while I thought she was aces in GOLDENEYE, sadly her character was softened far too much, and in later films I lost respect for her. She was icy in GOLDENEYE, like M should be. While I was initially pleased to see her carry over into the Craig era, as I'd developed a great fondness for Brosnan's run, I've come to feel it was a mistake not to start fresh. Dench was too old, and was no longer convincing as someone tasked to oversee of an agency of elite assassins. Her line readings became cringe inducing ("Christ I miss the cold war!"), and she seemed constantly befuddled, and out of her depth. The relationship with M is perhaps the most important one in Bond's life, and yet throughout the Craig films it's felt like he's dealing with some sort of cranky grandmother, not a cold blooded tactician. Whether or not we get Finney or Fiennes in the role, I'm looking forward to the return of a more professional, serious M. If Dench is assassinated it would be a perfect way to swap her out, as well as raise the stakes and reset Bond's relationship with M so the "mother hen" dynamic can be left behind for good.

PS The ASTON MARTIN DBS is an extremely handsome sports car. The brilliantly edited chase sequence in QUANTUM OF SOLACE shows it off to full effect, and the car seems to fit the character of Bond to a 't', but truth be told... I've kind of fallen in love with the Bently Bond drives in the recent literary "reboot" novel, CARTE BLANCHE. I wouldn't mind seeing Craig behind the wheel of one at some point in his tenure. I like the idea that Bond spends his salary as a civil servant on luxury, since he knows that any given assignment might be his last. This seems like the kind of car I can imagine Craig's Bond having purchased with his own funds:

[image]http://i1149.photobucket.com/albums/o581/sekandergul/a43c10c6_00ea36c2.jpg[/image]


BY THE WAY: CARTE BLANCHE is by far one of the finest BOND TITLES I've ever heard. I know EON has stated that they don't intend to adapt it as a film, but if they were to take the title and nothing else, the series would be better off for it. As far as titles go, CARTE BLANCHE is pure class!

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RE: Bond 23 - QOS spoilers aplenty! - 14/2/2012 4:22:09 PM   
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That's the big debate isn't it? Update the franchise and drop the ridiculous aspects in favour of gritty realism OR go back to the roots of Bond: over the top bad guys, gadgets, amazing locations and stunning stunts/set pieces.

I am in favour of the latter as you other wise you end up with a Bourne lite film that will never be as good.



You can walk the line between the two without people comparing it to Bourne. Casino Royale did it just fine.


I'd argue CR was far more Bourne than Bond: but yes it was a great film. Needs more gadgets and quips though...even if Craig might struggle with the latter.



I'd have to disagree with you. The Bond of the novels didn't rely on gadgets or quips. He was a man living life on a razors edge of danger, a serious spy who knew the peril his job placed him in. The Roger Moore / late era Connery stuff may have it's supporters, but Bond as envisioned by Flemming (and depicted in DR NO and FRWL ) is a character much closer to Bourne than the collection of cliches he became for much of the film series. The gadgets don't bring anything to the story, and they serve to make the films seem like a cartoon. After DIE ANOTHER DAY, it was clear the series needed to change directions, and I really don't want to return to an era of invisible cars and belt buckle grappling hooks.

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RE: Bond 23 - QOS spoilers aplenty! - 14/2/2012 4:24:18 PM   
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Everything looks perfect for this film.....which is why I am hoping that it still remains strictly a Bond film. Nothing like that pretentious silent sequence in QoS.


I loved that scene. It didn't need any dialogue.



I thought it was the best scene in the whole film




I liked the idea of the sequence, but the way it was cut was truly confusing. We needed about five more seconds of connective tissue, because as it stands, the sequence didn't really make alot of sense. There is a great confusion as to how the gun battle kicks off, and what should be thrilling is instead perplexing as you try to figure out who is shooting and why. I don't mind dropping the sound, I mind the way it was cut.

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RE: Bond 23 - QOS spoilers aplenty! - 14/2/2012 6:30:15 PM   
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The return of the DB5 is very exciting!!!

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RE: Bond 23 - QOS spoilers aplenty! - 14/2/2012 8:17:57 PM   
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but the way it was cut was truly confusing.



The stupid cutting ruins every action scene in the whole movie.

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RE: Bond 23 - QOS spoilers aplenty! - 14/2/2012 11:06:18 PM   
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but the way it was cut was truly confusing.



The stupid cutting ruins every action scene in the whole movie.




Eh, I really dig the action of QOS, with the exception of the overly tight editing in the OPERA HOUSE SHOOTOUT. I'm not one of those naysayers fond of disparaging the much maligned QOS car chase.  I saw QOS in theaters with my best friend, and she made some astute observations while we were sitting there watching it unfold. During the CAR CHASE, she said something to the effect that no one was making action scenes with that kind of intensity when we were growing up, and if they had, we'd not have been able to mentally process it. The cutting and kinetic energy of that car chase is an innovation that only could have been developed in the Aughts. The individual shots are well composed, the geography is clear, it's just faster than any other car chase we have seen. We are there in the moment with Bond, as he shifts gears and makes split second decisions. 


As for the rest of the film's action, I think its equally impressive: I love the hand to hand fights from Craig's films. Especially the QOS HOTEL ROOM AMBUSH. It's so brutal and quick, definitely one of my favorite Bond fights of the series.. The speed at which it all goes down, with Bond taking his attacker's momentum and using it to throw him through the glass door, just wouldn't have been seen in movies till very recently. And the Sienna foot chase? Thrilling, in a way that a million dollars worth of pixels smashing together rarely can manage. When the roof tiles began to fall away under Bond's feet, and he has to suddenly jump across onto that fire-escape, that's a genuine feat of derring do that looked truly dangerous for the stuntman (little wonder a stuntman ultimately did lose his life to bring QOS to the screen)

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RE: Bond 23 - QOS spoilers aplenty! - 15/2/2012 12:46:09 AM   
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Eh, I really dig the action of QOS, with the exception of the overly tight editing in the OPERA HOUSE SHOOTOUT. I'm not one of those naysayers fond of disparaging the much maligned QOS car chase.  I saw QOS in theaters with my best friend, and she made some astute observations while we were sitting there watching it unfold. During the CAR CHASE, she said something to the effect that no one was making action scenes with that kind of intensity when we were growing up, and if they had, we'd not have been able to mentally process it. The cutting and kinetic energy of that car chase is an innovation that only could have been developed in the Aughts. The individual shots are well composed, the geography is clear, it's just faster than any other car chase we have seen. We are there in the moment with Bond, as he shifts gears and makes split second decisions. 


As for the rest of the film's action, I think its equally impressive: I love the hand to hand fights from Craig's films. Especially the QOS HOTEL ROOM AMBUSH. It's so brutal and quick, definitely one of my favorite Bond fights of the series.. The speed at which it all goes down, with Bond taking his attacker's momentum and using it to throw him through the glass door, just wouldn't have been seen in movies till very recently. And the Sienna foot chase? Thrilling, in a way that a million dollars worth of pixels smashing together rarely can manage. When the roof tiles began to fall away under Bond's feet, and he has to suddenly jump across onto that fire-escape, that's a genuine feat of derring do that looked truly dangerous for the stuntman (little wonder a stuntman ultimately did lose his life to bring QOS to the screen)



Speaking as a defender of QoS I agree but I also think the problem with the film is with all the points you raised. Its that all these action scenes are far too reminiscent of Bourne, probably due to Dan Bradley's direction the second unit. And as good as the car chase is, it took me two or three viewings of it to actually figure out what was happening. It really is too fast imo.

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RE: Bond 23 - QOS spoilers aplenty! - 15/2/2012 3:47:30 AM   
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Eh, I really dig the action of QOS, with the exception of the overly tight editing in the OPERA HOUSE SHOOTOUT. I'm not one of those naysayers fond of disparaging the much maligned QOS car chase.  I saw QOS in theaters with my best friend, and she made some astute observations while we were sitting there watching it unfold. During the CAR CHASE, she said something to the effect that no one was making action scenes with that kind of intensity when we were growing up, and if they had, we'd not have been able to mentally process it. The cutting and kinetic energy of that car chase is an innovation that only could have been developed in the Aughts. The individual shots are well composed, the geography is clear, it's just faster than any other car chase we have seen. We are there in the moment with Bond, as he shifts gears and makes split second decisions. 


As for the rest of the film's action, I think its equally impressive: I love the hand to hand fights from Craig's films. Especially the QOS HOTEL ROOM AMBUSH. It's so brutal and quick, definitely one of my favorite Bond fights of the series.. The speed at which it all goes down, with Bond taking his attacker's momentum and using it to throw him through the glass door, just wouldn't have been seen in movies till very recently. And the Sienna foot chase? Thrilling, in a way that a million dollars worth of pixels smashing together rarely can manage. When the roof tiles began to fall away under Bond's feet, and he has to suddenly jump across onto that fire-escape, that's a genuine feat of derring do that looked truly dangerous for the stuntman (little wonder a stuntman ultimately did lose his life to bring QOS to the screen)



Speaking as a defender of QoS I agree but I also think the problem with the film is with all the points you raised. Its that all these action scenes are far too reminiscent of Bourne, probably due to Dan Bradley's direction the second unit. And as good as the car chase is, it took me two or three viewings of it to actually figure out what was happening. It really is too fast imo.



Not to say I don't also appreciate Connery tussling with Red Grant (a moment of high drama), but I do think Dan Bradley's style fits Craig's Bond well. The moves are brutal and economical, with a heavy emphasis on improvisation. When you put someone of Bond's training up against an adversary (worthy or unworthy), the resulting scuffle will be exceedingly fast and violent. As long as it's shot clearly and cleanly, so we can see the choreography play out, I think it's a really exciting style.

The car chase.. Its definitely right on the line of what is comprehensible. I can believe that some people may simply not really be able to follow it, and if they can't then I can see how they'd take issue with the chase. In a movie aiming for a wide audience, perhaps it's a legitimate criticism if many people report this same problem. Speaking only for myself though, I followed it well on my first viewing and by my second viewing I'd gained a deep appreciation for the way the chase was shot. I definitely enjoy all sorts of chases (the truck chase in RAIDERS, the highway chase in RONIN), but I still find the QOS chase to be fresh and legitimately exciting. It put me into the action in a way I had not experienced before. With the incredible sound design and the rhythmic, kinetic cutting, it floored me in a way few chases have managed in recent years. I think the action plays especially well given the slow build up, with the washed out tunnel sounds and the building strings on the soundtrack. When the action finally hits, it's explosive.


Anyway, I can only speak from my own experience, which may not have been universally shared by everyone

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RE: Bond 23 - QOS spoilers aplenty! - 15/2/2012 8:44:07 AM   
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I dont think the issue is that the fight scenes were bad, but that they were just carbon copies of Bourne films which did them better. I'd rather have Bond sticking to the outlandish style it has made its own (ignoring DaD), especially when we have a fresh new set of Bourne films on the way. I also think that this gritty kind of improvised fighting is more suited to Bourne: a character always on the run and somewhat machine-like.



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RE: Bond 23 - QOS spoilers aplenty! - 15/2/2012 11:11:58 AM   
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RE: Bond 23 - QOS spoilers aplenty! - 15/2/2012 11:14:52 AM   
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i want a return to the classic bond/villian dynamic-happenstance/coincidence/enemy action.

bond did not get enough face time with greene to play the old mind games before the big fight at the end.

and a decent henchman who we get to see kill the obligatory sacrifical lamb.




Ah, the stuff we've seen before in 20+ films... Um. No.



no, tropes directly from the novels like DN and LALD.
they cut down a lot of the great baddie speeches from the novels to fit the films

'not too shabby, sir'.

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RE: Bond 23 - QOS spoilers aplenty! - 15/2/2012 12:07:00 PM   
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I'd like a bit of humour. Nothing punnerific, just an occasional light touch would be very welcome.


Agreed. A little bit more humour in Royale and QOS would have been good.

Those two films were a little bit too serious for what's supposed to be escapist entertainment.

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RE: Bond 23 - QOS spoilers aplenty! - 15/2/2012 12:20:31 PM   
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I have to say, I don't really get that criticism - I thought there was plenty of humour in them, especially Casino Royale. Running through the wall, asking for the car keys in the poker game, "that last hand almost killed me", "Now the whole world's gonna know that you died scratching my balls!"

Granted, there's less in QoS, but it's still there.

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RE: Bond 23 - QOS spoilers aplenty! - 15/2/2012 1:10:04 PM   
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I have to say, I don't really get that criticism - I thought there was plenty of humour in them, especially Casino Royale. Running through the wall, asking for the car keys in the poker game, "that last hand almost killed me", "Now the whole world's gonna know that you died scratching my balls!"

Granted, there's less in QoS, but it's still there.


Not to mention someone mistaking Bond for a valet and tossing him his keys..."Right Away Sir"

Whereupon Bond Smacks his vehicle up, setting off car alarms left right and centre, creating both a 'screw you' response to the idiot gag and helping the story cos the distraction means he can check things out in the hotel.

CR: Bond looks DIRECTLY at the camera after the tanker he is trying to prevent crashing into the plane finally stops, and he's absolutely knackered by the effort involved. Not a Moore level breaking of the fourth wall, but it's there.

The smirk on Bond;s face when the guy who think's he's blowing up the tanker blows himself up.

CR and QOS both have (what I thinK may be) an Austin Powers reference: Repeatedly shouting No! in CR while being tortured (the No! very much a Powers motif) and Bond using footwear as a weapon in QOS (Powers: "Who uses a shoe? You fighlt like a Girl!"). Bit tenuous, but given the spoof is a Bond Parody and partially responsible for the cliches of Bond needing to be rebooted, not unheard of for writers to nod back at a nod at them.

QOS: Mr White trapped in the boot of the car during that chaotic opening chase, amusing for repeat viewings while that car is bumping, crashing, skidding, and quip at the end of the chase :Time to get out.

We're schoolteachers on a sabbatical/who have just won the lottery (cos Bond aint staying in just any crappy hotel).

Bond 'rescues' his soon to be sidekick from the boat when she is not a damsel in distress at all, but just about to get the revenge she is after.

The members of Quantum stumped and legging it after Bond chips up "I think you need to find somewhere else to hold your meetings.

Captured Bond taking out his guards and getting out of his handcuffs in the time it takes a lift to descend

Dark Joke: after Mathias is amused by how useful bodies in a boot can be for getting someone into trouble with the law in CR, the same trick is used on Bond, with Mathias put in the boot of the car. Quantum's punchline.

Mr Green buries his own axe in his own foot.

That'll probably be enough, I guess

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Saying M thinks she's his mother also raised a laugh.

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Maybe the issue is that Craig just can't handle the more comedic lines and siuations. All of those examples you listed were either completely forgettable or simply bad.

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Really? In another film perhaps I might agree, but that felt distinctly un-Bondy to me. in fairness that whole movie was a mess.




Simply put: no. That opera sequence was the best in the film and to me captured the surrealness that came across in the earlier films with the over-the-top villains and their overly stylised hideouts.

I would rather see the DBS back in action but then I think seeing the DB5 will be interesting and seeing as though the action will take place in Scotland (where else would you want to blow things up); I think it'll offer a domestic set-piece for us rather than some foreign climb, which is different at least. Good to see Craig wearing the pout again.

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