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RE: Quantum of Solace - 23/11/2008 12:31:12 AM   
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Strangely enough, I enjoyed the action sequences and found the frantic style to work most of the time. Locations were presented beautifully too. But...the plot was a mess with a shoddy script and weak characters, especially Camille who seemed to have a forced presence in the film.

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RE: Quantum of Solace - 23/11/2008 12:31:48 AM   
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Strangely enough, I enjoyed the action sequences and found the frantic style to work most of the time. Locations were presented beautifully too. But...the plot was a mess with a shoddy script and weak characters, especially Camille who seemed to have a forced presence in the film.

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RE: Quantum of Solace - 23/11/2008 12:32:24 AM   
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Strangely enough, I enjoyed the action sequences and found the frantic style to work most of the time. Locations were presented beautifully too. But...the plot was a mess with a shoddy script and weak characters, especially Camille who seemed to have a forced presence in the film.

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RE: Quantum of Solace - 23/11/2008 2:22:53 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Mikaboshi

Strangely enough, I enjoyed the action sequences and found the frantic style to work most of the time. Locations were presented beautifully too. But...the plot was a mess with a shoddy script and weak characters, especially Camille who seemed to have a forced presence in the film.


Sadly, very true. Characters weren't weak in my opinion, even if the film could have been done without Camille. Not greatly developed and not examined enough but I think that is the fault of the of the exaggerated amount of action.

And at least we got a Bond that didn't forget his love after 5 hours....yes I'm looking at you Diamonds are Forever.

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RE: Quantum of Solace - 23/11/2008 12:06:55 PM   
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Casino Royale was great.  Quantum of Solace is equal but not better.  Feels too much like only a small part of a bigger story.  That's not a problem, as once the overall story that I think is going to be built up and told across Craig's Bond films has been told, it will fit better.  As an individual film though, it falls short because of this (apparent) design.

Bond should be able to change, evolve, morph whatever you want to call it, especially in a franchise as long running as this.  There's no reason why we can't and shouldn't have a (more) serious (dour even) iteration of Bond for a while.  The last two Brosnan films drove the franchise in the ground with too much emphasis on all the Bond staples (cliches) like a pointless Q scene, ridiculous gadgets (an invisible car - that he hides behind! Wtf?) star cameos and excessive stunts (taken to the point of sillyness where a key sequence is rendered in CGI).  The new Bond is a shot in the arm for a franchise that badly needed it.  Bond will evolve into the more familiar character we knew in previous films, I'm sure of that but he will be shown to 'become' that person.  If you can't accept this much needed change, fuck off and watch The Spy Who Loved Me if that's what makes you happy.  I and everyone else will continue to enjoy a franchise that actually seems to be thinking ahead about where it's going.
I have no problem having differences of opinion with my fellow forum members,but i never stoop to the level of telling them to ''fuck off''.This my friend is the kind of behaviour that can get you banned.Please refrain from using such foul language at your fellow forumites.

I have no problem with change,or even for that matter harder edged and darker Bond movies(Loved the Tim dalton Bond flicks) but QOS came across more like those Death wish movies that Charles bronson used to knock out.It was just violence for violences sake but delivered with no panache that Bond movies should have.When the ''hero'' of the film is so unlikeable that you dont care about him,then you start to sympathise wth the baddies.

By the way,since you have a problem with a problem with key sequences of a bond film rendered in CG,then the free fall scene in QOS must rank up there with DAD's ice surfing for most silly scene in a Bond movie. 

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RE: Quantum of Solace - 23/11/2008 12:50:15 PM   
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Well paying to see the new Bond film isn't helping your case that Bond is dead.

And Jaws falling in love in Moonraker is by far the most silly scene to ever grace the screen of any Bond film. Calling QoS the worst Bond ever is hyperbole and you know it. No way were you going to be open minded enough to review it and to be fair as it is a continuation of Royale would you  be expecting anything different?

As for the free fall. It lasted 30 seconds and unlike a similar scene from again, Moonraker, at least you could see the actors face. Comparing that to the Die Another Day sequence seems unbalanced.

I had problems with the film. It ain't perfect, mainly  as a result of the writers strike, but there are some great moments in there. For one thing the relationship between M and Bond. And the Opera sequence was fantastic. Highlight of the movie.

Would have thought you would be pleased that a form of SPECTRE was being reintroduced? Something that has been missing from the franchise for decades.

At least in the next movie you are getting Q branch (Q=Qunatum I would guess) but I'm not sure you should even bother going if its going to annoy you so much.

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RE: Quantum of Solace - 23/11/2008 3:32:11 PM   
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Well paying to see the new Bond film isn't helping your case that Bond is dead.

And Jaws falling in love in Moonraker is by far the most silly scene to ever grace the screen of any Bond film. Calling QoS the worst Bond ever is hyperbole and you know it. No way were you going to be open minded enough to review it and to be fair as it is a continuation of Royale would you  be expecting anything different?

As for the free fall. It lasted 30 seconds and unlike a similar scene from again, Moonraker, at least you could see the actors face. Comparing that to the Die Another Day sequence seems unbalanced.

I had problems with the film. It ain't perfect, mainly  as a result of the writers strike, but there are some great moments in there. For one thing the relationship between M and Bond. And the Opera sequence was fantastic. Highlight of the movie.

Would have thought you would be pleased that a form of SPECTRE was being reintroduced? Something that has been missing from the franchise for decades.

At least in the next movie you are getting Q branch (Q=Qunatum I would guess) but I'm not sure you should even bother going if its going to annoy you so much.
I saw it through..um..alternative means.

I dont believe calling QOS the worst bond film ever is hyperbole.Its my opinion.Simple as that.The film is truly a miserable experience to watch.At least Casino royale had(in hindsight after watching QOS)gorgeous looking Bond girls and some brilliantly staged(and most importantly well shot and edited) action scenes.

Moonraker may be silly in the extreme but it was FUN.Watching QOS was just a depressing experience.

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RE: Quantum of Solace - 23/11/2008 4:17:05 PM   
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ORIGINAL: darth silas

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ORIGINAL: Rgirvan44

Well paying to see the new Bond film isn't helping your case that Bond is dead.

And Jaws falling in love in Moonraker is by far the most silly scene to ever grace the screen of any Bond film. Calling QoS the worst Bond ever is hyperbole and you know it. No way were you going to be open minded enough to review it and to be fair as it is a continuation of Royale would you  be expecting anything different?

As for the free fall. It lasted 30 seconds and unlike a similar scene from again, Moonraker, at least you could see the actors face. Comparing that to the Die Another Day sequence seems unbalanced.

I had problems with the film. It ain't perfect, mainly  as a result of the writers strike, but there are some great moments in there. For one thing the relationship between M and Bond. And the Opera sequence was fantastic. Highlight of the movie.

Would have thought you would be pleased that a form of SPECTRE was being reintroduced? Something that has been missing from the franchise for decades.

At least in the next movie you are getting Q branch (Q=Qunatum I would guess) but I'm not sure you should even bother going if its going to annoy you so much.
I saw it through..um..alternative means.

I dont believe calling QOS the worst bond film ever is hyperbole.Its my opinion.Simple as that.The film is truly a miserable experience to watch.At least Casino royale had(in hindsight after watching QOS)gorgeous looking Bond girls and some brilliantly staged(and most importantly well shot and edited) action scenes.

Moonraker may be silly in the extreme but it was FUN.Watching QOS was just a depressing experience.


Except it is, and you know it, its FAR from the worst, or even a bad movie to begin with, its just that burning hatred you have for Craig is like a broken fucking record at this stage, we get it you dont like him, no need to bring it up every 2nd post, if anything I'd suggest you get banned for ever bringing up how bad a Bond you think Craig is in another post again, its just getting ridiculous now

oh and who needs Bond girls with a bit of a story of their own who dont get shagged at the first chance and are utterly pointless when we can have girls with stupid names cry "oh James!" at the end of every movie, down with women having a good role in a Bond movie! bring back the eye candy who do nothing!


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RE: Quantum of Solace - 23/11/2008 5:07:14 PM   
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The opening car chase just happened without any buildup,was way too short and incoherently editied.This is what a stuntman nearly died for?


Oh, grow up. A man has died and you use it as cheap shot for a film you'd already made your mind up on. Beyond pathetic.

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It is indeed time to move on from the Craig hate. After all even if he was miscast surely then that hate should be directed at those who cast him rather than him?  


You would think so, wouldn't you? But that would involve being rational.

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RE: Quantum of Solace - 23/11/2008 5:10:38 PM   
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RE: Quantum of Solace - 23/11/2008 5:24:34 PM   
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I saw it through..um..alternative means.



I really hope that isn't the case darth, because if you did then how can you fairly judge the film? A poor quailty video from a screening will not help the film and renders some of your criticisms moot.

And you were concerned about the stuntman, but happy to screw over the rest of the cast and crew because you didn't like Craig or Casino Royale all that much? If you ddn't want to watch the film, then you shouldn't have bothered. But if you did want to see it but refused to head to the cinema then I don't know what to say to you.

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RE: Quantum of Solace - 23/11/2008 7:09:40 PM   
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RE: Quantum of Solace - 23/11/2008 7:34:50 PM   
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ORIGINAL: krudler

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ORIGINAL: darth silas

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ORIGINAL: Rgirvan44

Well paying to see the new Bond film isn't helping your case that Bond is dead.

And Jaws falling in love in Moonraker is by far the most silly scene to ever grace the screen of any Bond film. Calling QoS the worst Bond ever is hyperbole and you know it. No way were you going to be open minded enough to review it and to be fair as it is a continuation of Royale would you  be expecting anything different?

As for the free fall. It lasted 30 seconds and unlike a similar scene from again, Moonraker, at least you could see the actors face. Comparing that to the Die Another Day sequence seems unbalanced.

I had problems with the film. It ain't perfect, mainly  as a result of the writers strike, but there are some great moments in there. For one thing the relationship between M and Bond. And the Opera sequence was fantastic. Highlight of the movie.

Would have thought you would be pleased that a form of SPECTRE was being reintroduced? Something that has been missing from the franchise for decades.

At least in the next movie you are getting Q branch (Q=Qunatum I would guess) but I'm not sure you should even bother going if its going to annoy you so much.
I saw it through..um..alternative means.

I dont believe calling QOS the worst bond film ever is hyperbole.Its my opinion.Simple as that.The film is truly a miserable experience to watch.At least Casino royale had(in hindsight after watching QOS)gorgeous looking Bond girls and some brilliantly staged(and most importantly well shot and edited) action scenes.

Moonraker may be silly in the extreme but it was FUN.Watching QOS was just a depressing experience.


Except it is, and you know it, its FAR from the worst, or even a bad movie to begin with, its just that burning hatred you have for Craig is like a broken fucking record at this stage, we get it you dont like him, no need to bring it up every 2nd post, if anything I'd suggest you get banned for ever bringing up how bad a Bond you think Craig is in another post again, its just getting ridiculous now

oh and who needs Bond girls with a bit of a story of their own who dont get shagged at the first chance and are utterly pointless when we can have girls with stupid names cry "oh James!" at the end of every movie, down with women having a good role in a Bond movie! bring back the eye candy who do nothing!

Again,thats your opinion and your welcome to it.If you think QOS is the best Bond ever made then thats ok.But get this,NOT EVRYBODY HAS THE SAME OPINION AS YOU! Live with it.Im sure,for example,that for many people out there that the LOTR movies are the greatest ever,but for others they are the worst.It doesnt make them wrong or right.Its their opinion.In my opinion,QOS is the worst Bond film ever.Feel free to disagree,but i am not wrong,im just expressing my opinion.

And its not just my dislike of Craig in the role(although it doesnt help!)the film is in my opinion,dull,badly edited,badly written,and way to serious.Maybe if youd actually read my review you would have realised that.

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RE: Quantum of Solace - 23/11/2008 7:42:59 PM   
darth silas


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The opening car chase just happened without any buildup,was way too short and incoherently editied.This is what a stuntman nearly died for?


Oh, grow up. A man dies and you use it as a cheap shot at a film you'd decided you would already hate. Beyond pathetic.

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It is indeed time to move on from the Craig hate. After all even if he was miscast surely then that hate should be directed at those who cast him rather than him?  


you would think so, wouldn't you? But that would involve being rational and logical.
If you actually read my review you would have realised that i was disappointed that a stuntman was badly injured for a sequence which ended up not being anything to shout about.If they were going to risk life and limb to create a car chase then it should have been one of the greatest ever.But no,it arrived and ended almost as quickly as it began.My reaction just as the silly theme song began was ''thats it?,thats the pre credits action sequence?''.Its a pity that a guy got injured for such an ineffective sequence in my opinion.

Did the guy die though? I heard he was badly injured but lived.If he did pass away,then RIP.

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RE: Quantum of Solace - 23/11/2008 7:46:25 PM   
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I saw it through..um..alternative means.




Piracy is gayer than a village people towel flicking contest. So disappointed, SHAME

Seriously though, not wanting to sound preachy or anything but I'm pretty sure you could afford to see it at the cinema. While I didn't agree with you, I at least respected you for being so devoted and passionate on the subject.

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RE: Quantum of Solace - 23/11/2008 7:52:53 PM   
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Thing is - watching a pirate copy does devalue your opinion Silas. We all saw the film in similar cinema conditions. You watched it in far less quailty - how do we know if certain scenes went blurry, or a crucial character moment went unnoticed cause the camera was pointed at the floor or someone walked by?

So yeah, I'm afriad that by going down this route you have lost some credibility with me - and I happen to think that you do sometimes make some interesting points (may not always agree with them but will enjoy reading them) but I simply can't take your review seriously.

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RE: Quantum of Solace - 23/11/2008 10:28:25 PM   
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Thing is - watching a pirate copy does devalue your opinion Silas. We all saw the film in similar cinema conditions. You watched it in far less quailty - how do we know if certain scenes went blurry, or a crucial character moment went unnoticed cause the camera was pointed at the floor or someone walked by?

So yeah, I'm afriad that by going down this route you have lost some credibility with me - and I happen to think that you do sometimes make some interesting points (may not always agree with them but will enjoy reading them) but I simply can't take your review seriously.


You are aware that that doesn't happen apart from in the adverts as is the fuzzy muffled version. As I understand it generally there is a slight degradation in sound quality and the image may be slightly overexposed hence the colours slightly washed out but with modern digital cameras the image is not as bad as they make out hence the fact that people do download films. If the thing was as bad as made out there wouldn't be people doing it. However, the argument made by Silas is far from convincing due to the massive, massive biase, and I have reached a point whereby he should just brick off any future films in his mind and pretend that Bond finished with Die Another Day.

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RE: Quantum of Solace - 23/11/2008 10:40:49 PM   
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Thing is - watching a pirate copy does devalue your opinion Silas. We all saw the film in similar cinema conditions. You watched it in far less quailty - how do we know if certain scenes went blurry, or a crucial character moment went unnoticed cause the camera was pointed at the floor or someone walked by?

So yeah, I'm afriad that by going down this route you have lost some credibility with me - and I happen to think that you do sometimes make some interesting points (may not always agree with them but will enjoy reading them) but I simply can't take your review seriously.


You are aware that that doesn't happen apart from in the adverts as is the fuzzy muffled version. As I understand it generally there is a slight degradation in sound quality and the image may be slightly overexposed hence the colours slightly washed out but with modern digital cameras the image is not as bad as they make out hence the fact that people do download films. If the thing was as bad as made out there wouldn't be people doing it. However, the argument made by Silas is far from convincing due to the massive, massive biase, and I have reached a point whereby he should just brick off any future films in his mind and pretend that Bond finished with Die Another Day.


Yeah I know that generally there are high quailty recordings of films out there, but there will also be bad ones, etc - they have subtitles, or are watermarked or are taken with a camera at a screening. Long gone are the days of the old VHS recordings. And as you say there can be problems with sound and so on.

Some movies are straight rips off the DVDs but I doubt that Bond is at the printing stages yet so it is most likely the copy he watched was from a cinema recording.

The fact is neither you nor I, who both saw the film in cinemas, knows exactly what sort of rip he viewed and so his criticisms of certain elements may not carry as much weight.

Regardless I am pretty sure that if he did see it in a cinema he would feel the same way.

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RE: Quantum of Solace - 24/11/2008 12:19:11 AM   
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Thing is - watching a pirate copy does devalue your opinion Silas. We all saw the film in similar cinema conditions. You watched it in far less quailty - how do we know if certain scenes went blurry, or a crucial character moment went unnoticed cause the camera was pointed at the floor or someone walked by?

So yeah, I'm afriad that by going down this route you have lost some credibility with me - and I happen to think that you do sometimes make some interesting points (may not always agree with them but will enjoy reading them) but I simply can't take your review seriously.
Well im certainly going to lose some sleep over that tonight

For what its worth,the sound and image quality of the copy i watched was of very high quality.I usually dont watch pirate versions of films,but a mate of mine had it and offered it to me so i thought what the hell.

As for my views on the film.Lets just agree to disagree and leave it at that shall we?

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RE: Quantum of Solace - 24/11/2008 2:48:33 AM   
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I saw it through..um..alternative means.




So you sat through the movie despite the fact that you hate the current Bond and in doing so helping to kill the industry i work in. You sir are the biggest fairy tale i've ever seen. Now what i'm going to tell my little son Timmy after i've lost my job and i'm no longer able to clothe him or put food on his table? "Sorry little Timmy, i've lost my job because that bad man from Empire Online saw a pirate video of Quantum of Solace, effectively helping to destroy the industry i work in." So disappointed SHAME.

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RE: Quantum of Solace - 24/11/2008 2:51:40 AM   
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Double post.

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RE: Quantum of Solace - 24/11/2008 9:09:39 AM   
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If you actually read my review you would have realised that i was disappointed that a stuntman was badly injured for a sequence which ended up not being anything to shout about.If they were going to risk life and limb to create a car chase then it should have been one of the greatest ever


I did read it, and understood what you said perfectly, and my point still stands. I mean what you say above - yeah, THAT'S the most disappointing aspect of it

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RE: Quantum of Solace - 25/11/2008 12:58:20 PM   
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Quite a good action movie…but let's face it.  It's Bond but not as we know it.  I missed the wit and charm of previous Bond's.  I understand that Daniel Craig's Bond wanted revenge, but a few more one liners wouldn't have hurt.  I also miss the glamour and the gadgets.

Loved most of the actions scenes however the first two hurt my head because of the way they were edited.  The shaky camera didn't help.  Neither did the choppy editing.

Bond movies are not known for their plots, but even this film's was too thin.








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RE: Quantum of Solace - 25/11/2008 1:01:24 PM   
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Opps something went wrong with my computer...triple post...

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RE: Quantum of Solace - 25/11/2008 1:02:58 PM   
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Sorry something went wrong and i have triple posted....

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RE: Quantum of Solace - 25/11/2008 5:38:21 PM   
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Just a quickie and apologies if it's been mentioned (but I couldn't read through the whole forum) - did anyone else notice a certain Alfonso Cuaron and Guillermo Del Toro in the end credits as having provided "additional voices"?

Since this is a review topic, I'll just say: pretty good, edited a bit to quickly for my liking (I wouldn't actually mind seeing the car chase!) and not very much fun, but then, I wasn't expecting fun,  he's a man who kills people.

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RE: Quantum of Solace - 25/11/2008 5:39:02 PM   
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Just a quickie and apologies if it's been mentioned (but I couldn't read through the whole forum) - did anyone else notice a certain Alfonso Cuaron and Guillermo Del Toro in the end credits as having provided "additional voices"?

Since this is a review topic, I'll just say: pretty good, edited a bit to quickly for my liking (I wouldn't actually mind seeing the car chase!) and not very much fun, but then, I wasn't expecting fun,  he's a man who kills people.

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RE: Quantum of Solace - 25/11/2008 6:08:20 PM   
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I did! And I completely forget about it until you just reminded me there. Weird!

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Die Another Day - 25/11/2008 6:34:57 PM   
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First off I am a massive bond fan. Second this was not a bond movie, it was a Borne movie, thridly I hate the Borne movies. When the tried to make Bond into Borne, they pretty much spat into the face of every Bond fan. As if Bond could ever be compared to Borne. But at least on the Borne movies it was actually possible to see the action happening, I mean sure it was nausiating as hell, but at least you could see what was happening. What Marc Forster has done, is make it impossible to see what is going on. I mean fare enough I can understand what they were trying to do, speed up the action to make seem more realistic, but there comes a point where you HAVE to slow it down. Oh and Marc if your reading, yes your the director with expearince, but mabey you should just use extream close-ups for capturing the emotions of your actors, rather than use them when your shooting an intense boat chase. During which Bond will take an anchor throw it and suddenly the boat chasing them flips up, after finally being able to blink you'll ask ' What just happend'. Normally I'd spoil the plot in order to discourage you from veiwing this crushing disapointment, but its your choice, anyway to save the trouble, brace yourself for when you find out what Quantum ( its meant to be more valuble than oil) is really after, what they are ready to kill for. AND finally to inform how bad it was, when after returining from the cinema with my dad, I asked what he thought was worse this, or Hitman. He couldn't give me a straight answer. Olga darling you've ruined another one.

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It is truly growing on me - 26/11/2008 3:19:32 PM   
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I went to see QOS again last night. When i saw it the 1st time i thought it was far better than some of the poor reviews, but I still carried a tiny trace of disappointment.
After the second viewing, i walked out with a much more positive feeling. Marc Forster has really pulled off some ingenius set pieces. I was especially drawn to the silent, slo-mo gun fight in the opera house restaurant, which seemed to pass me by last time. Craigs performance is also very subtle in the quiet moments.
I'm still bugged by the free fall parachute nonsense and some of the dialogue from the leading villanous characters is poorly recorded of garbled. This, to me has caused a lot of the negative feedback regarding the poorly constructed plot. I think the plot is fine, however you cannot expect everyone to follow a major plot point when the character is talking through a thick moustache and chewing a cigar in a high wind.
I've added an extra star.

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