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RE: Five hours later... - 15/11/2008 10:33:25 AM   
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... and I still don't know what a quantom of solace is.

I admire what they're trying to do -- a Bond film that you can take seriously. In fact, that''s something I've always wanted. However, just like "Casino", this was just a little too dull. Not sure why. The ridiculous convoluted plot didn't help. Anyway, I'll not be in a rush to see the next one.

Bourne is still the man.



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I quant my refund - 16/11/2008 12:03:01 AM   
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At what point does a bond film become just an ordinary action film? QOS is the answer. Action packed it might be, but all the fun humour are removed in to a rather disapointing vague mess. Overall it feels like a prologue to a much better Bourne film. The villan is weak, the bond girl is weak, theres not even anything sort of a climax. Theres not even any build-up in excitement.

Craig is the right man for the job, but by the time they finally get the next films right it might be feared that his mission could soon be over. Iam not asking for an invisible car or a white safari suit, i just wont my bond a bond and not a bourne.

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RE: NOT dissapointing - it's actually quite good - 16/11/2008 11:07:58 AM   
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First things first: I quite liked the theme tune, but I hate that I like it. Alicia Keys and Jack White? You'd have to be pretty high to come up with that.

Other than that, I preferred Casino Royale, but this one wasn't half bad either. I never really liked Daniel Craig until he started doing Bond, but the man knows how to carry a movie. Also liked Mathieu Amalric; the man has a fantastically creepy face. The whole ax-thing was pushing it, though.
I didn't really care for the Bond girl; preferred Vesper. Then again, Eva Green is probably a better actress. All things considered, this one was a bit bland.
I mostly enjoyed the rest of the film. I've think they've been quite successful at removing anything from the later Pierce Brosnan-films that didn't work and replaced it with something altogether more intuiging.

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ORIGINAL: mighty mick

Just saw it on opening night in the States (2 weeks later... sigh) and I can gladly say that QOS is exactly what I was expecting it to be: a good, solid Bond movie, just not better then Casino Royale. But then again, I never thought or felt the need for QOS to aspire to such heights and like Kim Newman says in his article, that is somewhat admirable of Marc Foster to do. All those who moan and whine about a lack of gadgets and zingers are just a bunch of tradionalists who are too afraid to experience a new kind of 007 - although I did think that with all the globetrotting, nude dancing girls in the opening credits and a throwaway reference to Jill Masterson's fate in Goldfinger, tradition was to some degree firm in place.


Comingsoon.com (I think) had a scoop a while ago and said that, to some degree, the gadgets might be making their comeback in the next installment...I'll try to dig up the quote when my brain doesn't feel like it's clamped in a vise.


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RE: Quantum of Solace - 16/11/2008 6:03:39 PM   
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The most fun I've had at the cinema without my hand in my pocket. Quantum of Solace…. is…. quite simply…..FUCKING BRILLIANT.

For the first half-hour I had my wry wanna-be critic head on trying to justify the copious and far too-elaborate action scenes that seemed to pile up and hump each other on a minute-by-two-minute basis.

Awareness, as it turns out, did nothing to stop the ear-to-ear grin that was buying up real-estate on my face the way that some clandestine well-dressed illegal organisations buy untapped water reservoirs.

As you do
.  
….Then came Tosca….fook me!   A beautiful set-piece that didn't need Dan Bradley in the vicinity.  (I'm talking about the urbane mid-opera Glasnost, not the muted Meat Loaf video kerfuffle that followed….which was still fucking class by the way!)

Then it hit me!   Anthony Minghella is back from the dead and has directed a Bond movie (And I honestly don't mean to be facetious about that - that was meant to be a high, high compliment).

One could do a Talented Mr Bourne joke at this point, but Quantum ploughs its own furrow.  Surprisingly very much so.  (Daniel Craig ploughs many a furrow into a henchman's face through the course of the piece).

Marc Forster and Paul Haggis conjure countless scenes of character interest that are far too good to belong in a Bond film:

Exhibit A: Bond beats the badger out of a lift full of MI6 spooks and then has an immediate "socially awkward” meeting with M on the stairs.  (Forget the Norman Bates/Mother relationship those two need to get a room).

Exhibit B:   A tacit Felix Leiter, when asked if he can identify Bond's puss on the villain's camera phone hands it back and, after a moment's contemplation, offers "I'm sorry” ( this is what is called subtext people:- he knows Bond is going to beat his badger in – Jeffrey Wright seems to tell him this- with a look!).

Exhibit C: Bond catches up with Vesper's serial seducing boyfriend (sadly no badgers were harmed in the making of this scene).  If you don't get the weight of what this true denouement means in the arc of Casino Royale-Quantum then you don't deserve an opinion and you're nothing but a Mark Kermit.  

I could go on an on
.
Fuck it. Why not….

Exhibit D:  In another "awkward moment” Bond bumps into Matthieu Amalric and his body-guards on the stairs at the opera.  There's a pregnant pause that you couldn't write, but God bless Marc (Christopher Nolan in all but name ) Forster. He allows an exchange of glances to take place where Bond looks at him.  For those that don't have access to psychic subtitles I'll translate: "Fuck whatever tentative alliance we might have had in Munich horse, I'm going to do some Diving-Bell-and-Butterfly type shit on your Roman-Polanski-looking-motherfucking face”.

At least that's the way this Sight & Sound reviewer read it.

Any-hooo,….

The Bond film is class.  Don't believe the adverse hype.

5/5. Yes.Really.





I would have to agree (mostly anyway)! I liked Casino Royale, but thought they got the last act wrong thereby dropping it from being a great film (although I thought it a fair enough choice as Empire readers' film of the year). Nevertheless, after such a re-invention Quantum of Solace had a lot to live up to and after reading all the negative reviews and Kermode's slating I was all set up to hate. So I glad to say that it delivers a punch to the guts, but in a style that still maanges to be quintessential Bond.

The exhibits mentioned above were all classy scenes. And there is enough humour present to make some of the comments about "the lack of one-liners" to look nonsensical. Craig's Bond is a darkly funny fucker, unlike the disposable quips that the Brosnan movies had descended to. What better way to close out the opening tearathon round Italian countryside than to have Bond flip open the Aston Martin boot and tell his captive it's time to get out? The style is maintained throughout right up to the aforementioned face to face with Vesper's dodgy man.

I particlularly liked the moment during the performance of Tosca that Bond decides he's had enough and decides to put the frighteners on the Quantum love-in. A sequence which also demonstrated that this series still has plenty of professional spywork within. Did someone say Bond had given up snooping? Well here's a lesson in how to infiltrate a megalomaniacs' convention, while maintaining suaveness and being able to explode into a couple of moments worth of brutality.

A quality film period, let alone that it is top drawer Bond. 8/10

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James (YAWN) Bond on yet another (SNORE!!!) - 16/11/2008 7:23:40 PM   
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never understood the fascination with the cinematic bond, most of the films are gayer than a village people towel flicking contest.
The books by ian flemming are far superior. saw this on pirate DVD it sucked ass juice. am bored now just talking about.

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James (YAWN) Bond on yet another (SNORE!!!) - 16/11/2008 7:24:03 PM   
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never understood the fascination with the cinematic bond, most of the films are gayer than a village people towel flicking contest.
The books by ian flemming are far superior. saw this on pirate DVD it sucked ass juice. am bored now just talking about.

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I whole-heartedly agree with Empire on this one. - 17/11/2008 1:48:23 AM   
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Quantum kicks ass. It's not as good as Casino Royale but is by no means a let down. Peppered with frantic action and impressive stuntwork it nonetheless manages to fit in an interesting plot into its sleek 1hr 40min running time. Whilst it may not match Casino Royale for emotional depth it certainly beats it for pacing - I wasn't bored for a second.

Camille is a weaker Bond girl compared with Vesper but she is servicable and Dominic Greene is a smarmy, nasty piece of work whose master-plan is one of the more believable super-villain schemes to come out of the entire series.

It's a brooding movie filled with dark touches and Craig's ruthless, physical performance which cements him as possibly the finest actor to play the role.
But Bondians put your fears aside; this isn't Bond as we once knew, but he still packs in more than a few one liners, dry martinis and even manages to bag his signature gunbarrel sequence (you'll have to wait for it though!).

Having to live up to such high expectations after the brilliant Casino Royale was unfair but QOS confounds expectations; it's better than it has any right to be.

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RE: Premium Bond - 17/11/2008 2:22:30 AM   
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Of course! It'd be just like the good old days, bad puns invisible cars and whatnot? Jesus...
I agree Spuntmaster. Just because it's silly, doesn't mean it's fun and just because it's a serious film that does not mean there cannot be fun parts to it.
Going back to The Dark Knight for instance - everyone in that film is having a miserable time, yet the critic's/fan's verdict? A 5 star masterpiece and lots of fun, exciting action sequences.
This film gets the fun and the serious nicely balanced. 

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RE: I quant my refund - 17/11/2008 5:18:28 PM   
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Totally agree with Judiedenchinatrench on this one. QOS is not a Bond film of old (no bad thing), nor of new (as Casino Royale promised). It is a mess. Blinding us with action scene after action scene doesn't mean we don't want a decent plot, interesting characters and most importantly a Bond film. QOS is an action film. But it is not a Bond film. The most significant thing Craig was lacking in Royale was class. I was hoping in QOS they would try to give him more of this essential Bond ingredient, to make him a more complete Bond. However, what we got instead is a movie focussing and capitalising singularly on Craig's physical prowess. The promise of CR has been set back by QOS in no small way. Definitely a case of one step forward, two steps back. We all know Bourne set the mark. We don't want to see a feeble copy that offers us even less. The story here is convoluted, uninspirational and just plain boring. We don't care for any of the characters, and a roller coaster ride is great, provided you have time to breathe between rides. The opening scene was promising. The rest a letdown. Gutted. Oh (spoiler) if Mathis didn't inform LeChiffre that Bond knew his tell in CR, who did?

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- 17/11/2008 9:07:28 PM   
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Disappointing. I guess it was always going to be a hard task to follow Casino Royale, but I thought they'd make a better go of it than this. You can't fault Craig - he was a great choice for Bond and I continue to enjoy his take on the character. But the film isn't a match for his performance. One of the significant differences probably lies in the fact that Casino Royale was based on an Ian Fleming novel, whereas this isn't. I thought the story was lacking in depth, and there was serious overkill on the 'poor man's Bourne' stunts. There were a couple of sequences that stood out in the film, such as that at the production of Tosca and the Bolivian hotel, but most of the film just flashes by in a not particularly interesting blur of action.

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RE: James (YAWN) Bond on yet another (SNORE!!!) - 17/11/2008 9:48:13 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Horrorguru

never understood the fascination with the cinematic bond, most of the films are gayer than a village people towel flicking contest.
The books by ian flemming are far superior. saw this on pirate DVD it sucked ass juice. am bored now just talking about.


You're so cool.

As for the movie, I actually really enjoyed it. Better than Casino Royale. 7.5 / 10.


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RE: James (YAWN) Bond on yet another (SNORE!!!) - 17/11/2008 10:02:33 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Horrorguru

saw this on pirate DVD it sucked ass juice.


Thanks for helping to murder the industry i work in. Just what i need during this economic crisis, Epic Fail! You suck ass juice, sir.

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RE: James (YAWN) Bond on yet another (SNORE!!!) - 17/11/2008 10:04:39 PM   
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Nah, I'd say he's gayer than a village people towel flicking contest. So disappointed, SHAME

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- 17/11/2008 11:40:44 PM   
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Watched this last night expecting to be disappointed when all I actually found is that it is in fact fucking brilliant. Loved it.

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Bond is back! - 19/11/2008 10:19:03 AM   
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Bond is back!

Need I say more? Everything’s changed, from the title song to the film itself. The only recurring factors are the majority of the actors.

Those returning from Casino Royale make an effortless bound into the fast, action packed Quantum of Solace. Bond’s old friends, CIA agent Felix Leiter (Jeffrey Wright) and Giancarlo Gianni as the smooth Rene Mathis both return. Mr White (Jesper Christensen) makes an unwelcome return after last being seen at the end of Casino Royale and this time pops up at the beginning, as the film continues twenty minutes after the end of Casino Royale. Then of course there is the timeless actress that is Dame Judi Dench as Bond’s cynical boss M.

There may be not have been a swimming shorts scene, but with the amount of breathtaking action, Craig would have had no choice but to work out. Motorbikes, jet fighters, speedboats and of course the obligatory expensive fast car. Another dimension added is the hand-to-hand combat, brilliantly choreographed and shot by Marc Foster, as film number twenty two has a new and exciting edge to it.

The film begins with a rip-roaring car chase through windy Italian countryside to claustrophobically close encounters with police, pedestrians and villains.

The main gist of the plot is Bond wanting revenge on the organisation who blackmailed his girlfriend, Vesper Lynd, and subsequently causing her death. After finding a link to a bank account in Haiti and to the villainous Dominic Greene (Mathieu Almaric), a slimy, quirky character who’s scheme’s threaten to thwart not only Bond, but the fabulous new Bond girl, Olga Kurylenko, who plays hard-as-nails Camille, who has her own personal score to settle within Greene’s organisation, Quantum.

As the film climaxes, it becomes apparent that Greene’s master plan is to remove the regime in Bolivia and to replace it with General Medrano (Joaquin Cosio) as a dictator. Through this, Greene is able to hat

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RE: Premium Bond - 19/11/2008 11:07:53 PM   
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I'm still trying to figure out what the plot was supposed to be apart from being poor. 
Didn't really get the sense Bond was out for revenge - am I alone in thinking he just killed whoever he came into contact with and it seemed like it was for no apparent reason? 

I really enjoyed Casino Royale cos it was the next evolution of Bond but QoS just doesn't seem to follow on well from it, imo.

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RE: Premium Bond - 19/11/2008 11:08:28 PM   
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I'm still trying to figure out what the plot was supposed to be apart from being poor. 
Didn't really get the sense Bond was out for revenge - am I alone in thinking he just killed whoever he came into contact with and it seemed like it was for no apparent reason? 

I really enjoyed Casino Royale cos it was the next evolution of Bond but QoS just doesn't seem to follow on well from it, imo.

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RE: Premium Bond - 19/11/2008 11:09:03 PM   
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I'm still trying to figure out what the plot was supposed to be apart from being poor. 
Didn't really get the sense Bond was out for revenge - am I alone in thinking he just killed whoever he came into contact with and it seemed like it was for no apparent reason? 

I really enjoyed Casino Royale cos it was the next evolution of Bond but QoS just doesn't seem to follow on well from it, imo.

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Brilliant Bond! - 20/11/2008 9:00:50 AM   
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The re-energisation of the Bond franchise continues with this excellent follow up to Casino Royale. It's pretty much non-stop action all the way and those action sequences are amazing. From close-combat fighting (a la Bourne!) to rooftop chases (hmm, a la Bourne again!) and a superb car chase intro, it's pretty impressive stuff and you can almost feel the bumps and bruises as Bond gets battered about (although how he manages not to break an ankle, leg or anything for that matter is beyond me!). Daniel Craig is even better as Bond in this having developed into the role. He's mastered that hard, piercing stare which definitely comes across as a man on the edge. Personally, I love this more serious Bond. Long may it continue!

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Casino Royale is Better - 20/11/2008 10:34:00 AM   
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To be honest, i was expecting more violence this time round. that was stopped by the annoying shots and cutting of the opening scene with the Aston Martin DBS.
Bond is fueled by revenge, cool, but becomes a little too emotional for me with the Bolivian girl, who's story i didn't care about.
as for MI6 as a whole they ignore the other people who are apart of Quantum like the British ministry guy which would of been fun to follow.
the Villian (Amalric), i loved but isn't a fighter and his goons should be doing all the fighting eventhough his main guy has a shit haircut.
Hate the fact that its short at an hour and 46 minutes instead of 2 hours and longer.
As a whole, Bond is still fucking cool, love that M is more involved and Felix (but he's under-utilized) coming back.
Don't like the Bond girls in this one, they seem to be more eye candy then engaging antagonists for Bond. Fields is an idiot and Olga's character is boring.
I like the fact that the issue of water in Bolivia is a realistic one but not one that Bond should care about, he's a FUCKING BRITISH SPY, why does he care about South America at all!!! that why they should of followed the lead on their own man in Quantum.
And now hopefully none of this love shit in the next one as he found who was responsible for Vesper's death...
But whatever, Craig is making three more... so they can impress me with them.
with Marc Forster (flimpsy Arthouse director) taking over who's never done a big budget action film, its evident, the action didn't have the wow factor like Casino Royale... next time i hope they find a director who can bring more action to the film.

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Casino Royale is Better - 20/11/2008 10:34:36 AM   
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To be honest, i was expecting more violence this time round. that was stopped by the annoying shots and cutting of the opening scene with the Aston Martin DBS.
Bond is fueled by revenge, cool, but becomes a little too emotional for me with the Bolivian girl, who's story i didn't care about.
as for MI6 as a whole they ignore the other people who are apart of Quantum like the British ministry guy which would of been fun to follow.
the Villian (Amalric), i loved but isn't a fighter and his goons should be doing all the fighting eventhough his main guy has a shit haircut.
Hate the fact that its short at an hour and 46 minutes instead of 2 hours and longer.
As a whole, Bond is still fucking cool, love that M is more involved and Felix (but he's under-utilized) coming back.
Don't like the Bond girls in this one, they seem to be more eye candy then engaging antagonists for Bond. Fields is an idiot and Olga's character is boring.
I like the fact that the issue of water in Bolivia is a realistic one but not one that Bond should care about, he's a FUCKING BRITISH SPY, why does he care about South America at all!!! that why they should of followed the lead on their own man in Quantum.
And now hopefully none of this love shit in the next one as he found who was responsible for Vesper's death...
But whatever, Craig is making three more... so they can impress me with them.
with Marc Forster (flimpsy Arthouse director) taking over who's never done a big budget action film, its evident, the action didn't have the wow factor like Casino Royale... next time i hope they find a director who can bring more action to the film.

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RE: Casino Royale is Better - 21/11/2008 9:46:35 PM   
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Unfortunately, one of those films where the more I think about it, the more I realise it just wasn't very good. I can't remember being bored per se whilst I was watching it, but I gotta agree with what most people are saying - the editing was horrendous. I know people have attacked films like Batman Begins and the Bourne sequels before now for the whole tight shots and fast cutting thing, but QoS is the first time it's actually gotten to me.

Normally I'd only fault the new 'gritty' Bond for making the new films a little too much like everything else these days, and being a tough bastard is all fine and good - but a bit of clear character development never did anyone any harm. Casino Royale also did a good job of bringing in various characters and usually making them seem something more than bit parts, which QoS definitely doesn't. I think I missed the reason why Fields was even brought into the narrative in the first place. Whole thing felt like forgettable filler until they can make a film that genuinely stands up to Casino Royale and makes the best of Craig.

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RE: Quantum of Solace - 22/11/2008 8:21:32 AM   
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Great. Went to go see it last night with some mates. Not as good as Casino Royale, but quite close. Danny Craig on form as always.

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RE: Quantum of Solace - 22/11/2008 8:23:01 AM   
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Great. Went to go see it last night with some mates. Not as good as Casino Royale but very close. Danny Craig on form as always.

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RE: Quantum of Solace - 22/11/2008 4:09:36 PM   
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SPOILERS.

Ok.I finally decided to see this to see what all the fuss was about.My dislike of Daniel craig as Bond aside,this is EASILY the worst Bond film ever made.Terrible editing during the action sequences.This is an example of how good stuntwork can be ruined in the editing room.The opening car chase just happened without any buildup,was way too short and incoherently editied.This is what a stuntman nearly died for?

Bond in this movie is,even more so than in Casino royale,an obnoxious and unlikeable prick.He just spends the entire movie killing everything in sight.Craig is just dour and his few attempts at humour fall flat.The bit where 007 just tossed his ''friend'' into a dumpster and stole his wallet was probably the most sickening thing iv ever seen in a bond film.Bond movies have always had their share of violence but always had some flamboyence and panache.In one scene,Bond pushes a guy off a roof and Craig just grunts like a thug as usual.Compare this to a similar scene in The spy who loved me where 007 lets a villain fall off a roof and the subsequently say ''What a helpful chap!'' as he casually fixes his tie.THATS bond,not this blonde haired imposter.

The bond girls are also possibly the worst ever.Not fabulous looking by any means,and Bond doesnt even get to shag Camille! I felt sorry for the baddies in this one as Craigs Bond just came across as a big bully and to kill a man by having him bake slowly in the desert so badly that he drinks motor oil was just plain sadistic.Just shoot the guy and be done with it.

Ill say what many others are saying.Bond is dead.



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RE: Quantum of Solace - 22/11/2008 4:15:18 PM   
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Only box office determines whether or not 'Bond is dead', and from the looks of how well QOS is doing that's far from the case.

But I certainly don't want another Bond film like this one.

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RE: Quantum of Solace - 22/11/2008 6:57:49 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: darth silas

SPOILERS.

Ok.I finally decided to see this to see what all the fuss was about.My dislike of Daniel craig as Bond aside,this is EASILY the worst Bond film ever made.Terrible editing during the action sequences.This is an example of how good stuntwork can be ruined in the editing room.The opening car chase just happened without any buildup,was way too short and incoherently editied.This is what a stuntman nearly died for?

Bond in this movie is,even more so than in Casino royale,an obnoxious and unlikeable prick.He just spends the entire movie killing everything in sight.Craig is just dour and his few attempts at humour fall flat.The bit where 007 just tossed his ''friend'' into a dumpster and stole his wallet was probably the most sickening thing iv ever seen in a bond film.Bond movies have always had their share of violence but always had some flamboyence and panache.In one scene,Bond pushes a guy off a roof and Craig just grunts like a thug as usual.Compare this to a similar scene in The spy who loved me where 007 lets a villain fall off a roof and the subsequently say ''What a helpful chap!'' as he casually fixes his tie.THATS bond,not this blonde haired imposter.

The bond girls are also possibly the worst ever.Not fabulous looking by any means,and Bond doesnt even get to shag Camille! I felt sorry for the baddies in this one as Craigs Bond just came across as a big bully and to kill a man by having him bake slowly in the desert so badly that he drinks motor oil was just plain sadistic.Just shoot the guy and be done with it.

Ill say what many others are saying.Bond is dead.




if that' s the case, maybe now you can finally give it a fucking rest the people who hate QOS should actually be thankfull, this is as far away from the traditional bond formula as the producers will ever go. the next one will be all gadgets & more traditional elements. despite all Darth silas's bitching, Daniel Craig's performance is the one element of QOS thats gotten praised pretty much across the board, in every review of the movie. didnt mention that did you? you sour whining git

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RE: Quantum of Solace - 22/11/2008 7:45:54 PM   
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It is indeed time to move on from the Craig hate. After all even if he was miscast surely then that hate should be directed at those who cast him rather than him?

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RE: Quantum of Solace - 22/11/2008 8:15:06 PM   
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For the Bond the producers want to portray, Craig is perfect.

It's their idea of the new Bond himself a lot of people seem to have a problem with.

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RE: Quantum of Solace - 22/11/2008 9:57:11 PM   
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Casino Royale was great.  Quantum of Solace is equal but not better.  Feels too much like only a small part of a bigger story.  That's not a problem, as once the overall story that I think is going to be built up and told across Craig's Bond films has been told, it will fit better.  As an individual film though, it falls short because of this (apparent) design.

Bond should be able to change, evolve, morph whatever you want to call it, especially in a franchise as long running as this.  There's no reason why we can't and shouldn't have a (more) serious (dour even) iteration of Bond for a while.  The last two Brosnan films drove the franchise in the ground with too much emphasis on all the Bond staples (cliches) like a pointless Q scene, ridiculous gadgets (an invisible car - that he hides behind! Wtf?) star cameos and excessive stunts (taken to the point of sillyness where a key sequence is rendered in CGI).  The new Bond is a shot in the arm for a franchise that badly needed it.  Bond will evolve into the more familiar character we knew in previous films, I'm sure of that but he will be shown to 'become' that person.  If you can't accept this much needed change, fuck off and watch The Spy Who Loved Me if that's what makes you happy.  I and everyone else will continue to enjoy a franchise that actually seems to be thinking ahead about where it's going.

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