boaby
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ORIGINAL: Deviation
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I know there to be a material world. No-one knows there is a supernatural world, or any "truths" pertaining to it. Organised religion, meanwhile, uses these imagined supernatural "truths" to try to control the natural lives of people. Through crap like transubstantiation. Hence the example.
Or try to teach and examine them and maintain a community. There is more to it than simply "OMG CONTROL THE FUCKERS", which without a doubt, occurs. The examining of the supernatural in religion tends to be a complicated one.
By "them" I take it you mean the "truths". Which aren't truths. Shared views undoubtedly help in "maintaining a community" and yet Christianity has long since stopped being a community. Instead there are communities which kick the crap out of each other. It is only as a result of the diminished power of Churches that examination of the supernatural has become complicated. How many heretics died for their examinations?
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Also, rituals are rituals, sometimes they remain and people keep performing them even if they are not exactly believed in the same way they were supposed to be and sometimes they are ignored. That is the nature of rituals.
Their continued practice, even if the masses do not believe the theology behind them, still allows the leaders of those "enlightened" priests to claim a credibility and influence that they can only obtain through their status as heads of the fractured and monstrous but not dismembered body.
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Patronising? Fair enough. I'm comfortable with it.
I'm not and you are not winning anyone on your side by keeping that attitude.
I'm not sure I have a side.
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Then what's the point? If they don't believe it, why do it? Why practice?
Because rituals are rituals, it could be used as mere remembrance of the Last Supper and not follows what the Roman Catholic Church states. I've met Roman Catholic priests who give church without a problem to homosexuals without a problem, Rick Santorum and some others members of the clergy wouldn't like that, it's not just one homogenous thought group.
It's good some priests haven't that particular problem. They're still priests though. Roman Catholic priests. The pope claims to be head of one homogeneous thought group, indeed as head he claims all thoughts by the group and obeyed by the group emanate from him. And he has power and influence in the secular world because of it. The larger the body of which he is head is perceived to be the more influence he has. If those participating in the rituals and practices of the Catholic church ceased doing so then his power would wane. Slowly. There are, after all, ever more poor people with little hope of education for whom indoctrination awaits.
The less organised religion the better. This will result in less people obtaining secular power on the basis of supernatural tosh.
If some muppets want to think that the earth is less than 10,000 years old let them have no credible institution with which to gain an unnecessary degree of influence on the secular world. If some eejits think condoms are evil let them have no artificially bloated institution with which to facilitate their phucking up of the world.
If I've a point I've forgotten it. Religion and religious ideas, no matter how theological or apart from the natural, do affect the natural world. Compartmentalising the mind in order to keep grip on a personal security blanket affects the world. It's still funny though. Was that a point? I dunno.
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